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[Wanchimaera]

Do you chose to be heterosexual? Could you MAKE yourself turn gay?

I think I could, for the reason Jor-El mentioned, to make some kind of statement. I think some otherwise straight people tend to have qualities mainly associated with the other gender, and they just get tired of a homophobic society telling them that they have to hide these traits in order to be accepted as "normal". In other words, they collapse under social pressure. Homophobia (outspoken homophobia, mainly) is a terrible thing. I've even been a victim of this. I'm a pretty introverted guy, I'm a musician, and I'm single, plus at the time, I was pretty small; most every person in middle school thought I was gay and treated me as such. It continued through the first two years of high school, but finally it subsided when either they grew up or just because I grew to be bigger than them. Some of my friends from back then gave up and just began to believe what everyone was telling them because it made the situation easier for them to handle, coping with truth instead of a false accusation (at least that's what they tell me).

To answer your question: I could, but I won't. I still have moral feelings about homosexuality that would keep me from doing so.

[Black Knight]

*sneaks in* Somehow I think that this gay/lesbian group...was missing the overall picture. o.o


Anyway....you know how war goes. "Only apologize if you lose". I still haven't heard any apologies from the US government for destroying hundreds of schools, mosques and hospitals in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it's not something I expect any time soon. Irrelevant to topic. ^^;

*Applauds* I was going to say that too...

[Vazor]

Homosexuality is a disorder. A screw-up in the gene pool. That's why there are so few of them, proportionally.
And Alek, almost all of the questions you posed in your last post are pure nonsense. Most of them were basically "Oh there are more bad people who are straight than who are gay." Newsflash: That's because there are less gays than straights. If you proportioned it out, the percent of bad people would be about even.

[Alakhriveion]

Homosexuality is a disorder. A screw-up in the gene pool. That's why there are so few of them, proportionally.

Well, there AREN'T so few of them, as I've said, it's all shades of gray. I'm extremely heterosexual, but it's be presumptious to say I'm exclusively so. Same applies to you. Also you. And everyone else.

And Alek, almost all of the questions you posed in your last post are pure nonsense. Most of them were basically "Oh there are more bad people who are straight than who are gay." Newsflash: That's because there are less gays than straights. If you proportioned it out, the percent of bad people would be about even.

I'm not sure what you're getting at there. The questionarre is a joke, but do you see it's point?

[Vazor]

It's point is that someone had way too much time on their hands.

[Alakhriveion]

No, it's a sociology thing. My memory on it's history is a bit hazy, but I think they were paid.

And "Reagan" is spelt wrong in your sig.

[Vazor]

Well I cna't splel. So in your face. Yeah. That last sentence made perfect sense.

[Edit: Fixed it!]

[Korhend]

Homosexuality is a disorder. A screw-up in the gene pool. That's why there are so few of them, proportionally.

So by your logic, caucasionism is a genetic disorder?

[Vazor]

Homosexuality, however, is completely undetermined by genetics and is apparently random

[Korhend]

Homosexuality, however, is completely undetermined by genetics and is apparently random

I believe you're tripping over your own statements

Homosexuality is a disorder. A screw-up in the gene pool.

Besides you nicely diverted the questions, if your definition of a disorder is deviation from the gene pool, then caucasionism is a serious genetic defect.

[Vazor]

You know what I mean by Gene Pool. Something got messed up before the baby was born, not necessarily genetically. Biology and genetics aren't exactly my strong points.

[Korhend]

No seen when you say Gene Pool people tend to think you mean Gene pool. Its not a matter of biology, its a matter of English and Logic. Besides which you've still dodged the question of whites being a genetic defect.

[Zythe]

Wait. Are there less whites then blacks? Is that what Kor is saying?

[Korhend]

world-wide, yes, and excepting the definition he gave of a disorder

Homosexuality is a disorder. A screw-up in the gene pool. That's why there are so few of them, proportionally.

That means that caucasionism is a skin disease.

[Coltxdoom]

Homosexuality is a disorder. A screw-up in the gene pool. That's why there are so few of them, proportionally.
And Alek, almost all of the questions you posed in your last post are pure nonsense. Most of them were basically "Oh there are more bad people who are straight than who are gay." Newsflash: That's because there are less gays than straights. If you proportioned it out, the percent of bad people would be about even.

Excuse me, i'm not gay because of a disorder. And i'm not bad because of it. You make us out to be criminals.

Sorry, I thought this sort of gay bashing wasn't allowed here?

[Coltxdoom]

I think I could, for the reason Jor-El mentioned, to make some kind of statement. I think some otherwise straight people tend to have qualities mainly associated with the other gender, and they just get tired of a homophobic society telling them that they have to hide these traits in order to be accepted as "normal". In other words, they collapse under social pressure. Homophobia (outspoken homophobia, mainly) is a terrible thing. I've even been a victim of this. I'm a pretty introverted guy, I'm a musician, and I'm single, plus at the time, I was pretty small; most every person in middle school thought I was gay and treated me as such. It continued through the first two years of high school, but finally it subsided when either they grew up or just because I grew to be bigger than them. Some of my friends from back then gave up and just began to believe what everyone was telling them because it made the situation easier for them to handle, coping with truth instead of a false accusation (at least that's what they tell me).

To answer your question: I could, but I won't. I still have moral feelings about homosexuality that would keep me from doing so.

Well if you were gay and you decided that you weren't going to act like that and pretend you were straight. That would be called living a lie. I'd rather not do that, thanks. And it's not healthy for anyone else either. I've been down that route and all it's done is tear me apart.

[Alakhriveion]

Excuse me, i'm not gay because of a disorder. And i'm not bad because of it. You make us out to be criminals.
 
Sorry, I thought this sort of gay bashing wasn't allowed here?

No, this is allowed, as long as it doesn't become personal. If it does, the mighty hammer of justice shall- well, there's really not much I can do, but someone gets suspended.

[Zythe]

It's contro, and we're searching for a 'why', not any form of bashing.

[Wanchimaera]

Well if you were gay and you decided that you weren't going to act like that and pretend you were straight. That would be called living a lie. I'd rather not do that, thanks. And it's not healthy for anyone else either. I've been down that route and all it's done is tear me apart.

Do you think it's easier for a gay person to play it straight or a straight person to play it gay? I just want your opinion. (I'm not trying to argue)

[SOAP]

Regardless if you believe being gay is wrong or right, normal or abnormal--there still remains moral issues that a gay person has to deal with his or herself. Otherwise, why would [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of religious and/or spiritual gays still continue to struggle internally even inside an otherwise tolerant eniviroment. I was forunate enough to have family and friends that were surprisingly supportive of my gayness. But there are time I lose all faith in a higher god just because I can't continue to live my lifestyle and still claim to be a devout Christian at the same time. If I prended to be straight I was a liar. But if I was gay and claimed to be Christian I was still a liar. Either way I was a liar. The way I see it is that I do and will continue to have thoughts about my own gender that I know God would never approve of. I'm not going to lie to God and say "Alright I'll never be gay again." No. Never. I know I the minute I say taht I'm just going to jump into bed with yet another guy. I'll be sorry for it. And I'll apologize for any future sins I might commit. But I know I'm going to do them regardless. I'm just a weak person I guess. If I go to Hell for it, so be it. I'll go to Hell taking full responsibility for my actions.

I may not be honest but at least I'm mature about it.

[Alakhriveion]

You know, there's nothing I can think of about god preventing you from being gay, unless you're a catholic, in which case I suppose the Church gets the final say. Stil, it's not Biblically supported: It isn't Kosher, but that doesn't seem to matter, and the only condemnation of it comes from a guy who also reminds us that a good husband beats his wife for immodestly letting her hair be visible.

[Wanchimaera]

Regardless if you believe being gay is wrong or right, normal or abnormal--there still remains moral issues that a gay person has to deal with his or herself. Otherwise, why would [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of religious and/or spiritual gays still continue to struggle internally even inside an otherwise tolerant eniviroment. I was forunate enough to have family and friends that were surprisingly supportive of my gayness. But there are time I lose all faith in a higher god just because I can't continue to live my lifestyle and still claim to be a devout Christian at the same time. If I prended to be straight I was a liar. But if I was gay and claimed to be Christian I was still a liar. Either way I was a liar. The way I see it is that I do and will continue to have thoughts about my own gender that I know God would never approve of. I'm not going to lie to God and say "Alright I'll never be gay again." No. Never. I know I the minute I say taht I'm just going to jump into bed with yet another guy. I'll be sorry for it. And I'll apologize for any future sins I might commit. But I know I'm going to do them regardless. I'm just a weak person I guess. If I go to Hell for it, so be it. I'll go to Hell taking full responsibility for my actions.
 
I may not be honest but at least I'm mature about it.

Where I come from, sin is sin. Homosexuality, gluttony, laziness, all of it. Personally, I cannot condemn you for being gay because I've got my own problems. I think we all do to some extent and everyone has his/her weakness.

[Alakhriveion]

Read my post. As far as I can see, it's not a sin.

[arunma]

Regardless if you believe being gay is wrong or right, normal or abnormal--there still remains moral issues that a gay person has to deal with his or herself. Otherwise, why would [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of religious and/or spiritual gays still continue to struggle internally even inside an otherwise tolerant eniviroment. I was forunate enough to have family and friends that were surprisingly supportive of my gayness. But there are time I lose all faith in a higher god just because I can't continue to live my lifestyle and still claim to be a devout Christian at the same time. If I prended to be straight I was a liar. But if I was gay and claimed to be Christian I was still a liar. Either way I was a liar. The way I see it is that I do and will continue to have thoughts about my own gender that I know God would never approve of. I'm not going to lie to God and say "Alright I'll never be gay again." No. Never. I know I the minute I say taht I'm just going to jump into bed with yet another guy. I'll be sorry for it. And I'll apologize for any future sins I might commit. But I know I'm going to do them regardless. I'm just a weak person I guess. If I go to Hell for it, so be it. I'll go to Hell taking full responsibility for my actions.

I may not be honest but at least I'm mature about it.

The Episcopalian and (I think) Lutheran churches approve of the homosexual lifestyle. So you could be openly gay and remain part of a theologically sound Christian church, FYI.

[Alakhriveion]

Yeah... like I said, one post before both of you.

[Korhend]

You know, there's nothing I can think of about god preventing you from being gay, unless you're a catholic, in which case I suppose the Church gets the final say.

Homosexuality, in Catholocism and other sects of christianity, is a sin like any other. Its a sin to masturbate, its a sin to covet something. We all sin, we all sin a lot but personal salvation can still be achieved. Through feeling guilt, recognizing sin, and admiting to sin, a person can improve on not only their standing with god, but themselves as a person. Homosexuality is one in a long list of sins you can commit, drops in the bucket. As long as you repent, Pope says your good.

[Alakhriveion]

Those are specifically Catholic sins, they're not in the Bible. Incidentally, they're also Kosher Laws. Not Jesus, though.

[Korhend]

I'm not saying that they aren't, just giving our side of it that being homosexual does not condemn you in the catholic faith.

[Wanchimaera]

Read Romans 1:26-27, I Corinthians 6:9-11, and Jude ch. 7. These tend to be the more popular references. Some do like to argue about the context of the passages, though.

[Korhend]

I didn't say they weren't sins, just that everyone sins, and if they confess and repent, they can achieve salvation.