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Posted 15 February 2005 - 04:26 PM

I agree that Vaati is better and more evil than ganomdorf, he is a true evil villian in my heart. any way it revials in WW that ganondorf wasn't selfish, he stole the triforce for the gerudos, they were dying.


Yet Ganondorf did nothing for his gerudo race and they even thought him as a god.

Also if Ganondorf is as compassionate and generous in the Wind Waker like most people would think, then why in the hell was he going to kill Link for no good reason. He would have most likely killed Tetra as well had he not found out that she was a descendant of Princess Zelda. He told her that feining ignorance would gain her nothing. So if she would have just been someone else it would be most likely that Ganondorf would have strangled the girl to death, I mean he already strangled her into unconsciousness even after finding out who she was.

Vaati might be more evil than Ganondorf in some people's eyes, but take the perspective look on how Ganon felt about Vaati and his evil presence.

This was all there was there was to the wind sorcerer Vaati, eh? Before the Four Sword, you were at your wit's end. Useless cur!

That is not the best impression, especially considering that Ganon called him a usless cur.

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 08:20 PM

*cracks knuckles* Let's do this thang.

Darkseid, I refuse to comment on your big long post on the grounds that it is perfect and awesomely awesome.

I leave the personification of evil thing to Vaati,

Only problem with that, MikeP, is that Vaati is never referred to as a truly evil to the core individual, whilst Ganon, believe it or no, is. Either way, that's not a big deal.

And Davo, please, leave the left-wing propaganda about the evil president from hell that can't spell elsewhere. You just make yourself look silly.

Ganon was a freedom fighter


You mean for his race? Pssssh! He had had thoughts of hatred of Hyrule ingrained in his brain every time the sand ravaged his rockhole house. But in the end, he knew what he wanted. Power. Rule. He cared nothing for his people, it seems, even before he got the Triforce. It was nothing but an excuse from childhood, made more of an excuse when he went mad soonafter. Where were the Gerudo when he came to power? Stealing from carpenters in the desert, just the same. He wouldn't even share his treasure with them, Nabooru had to try and steal it.

Vaati was also not always evil. He became corrupted by the evil hearts of man, and thus turned on his mentor to accomplish these goals that he admired from the greedy hearts of men.

If I was a mischievous power-hungry imp, I'd get sick of my peaceful Smurf friends too. She obviously realized her power and used it to her advantage to get what man always could: power. (Yes I know it's a he, but he's a girly-man. Tis an inside joke.)

Yes, but why was he corrupted? To skimp on the more important area of plotlines


Call me biased, but that's why I was never as hooked on the 2d games.

Well Vaati is clearly gay... As for Ganon, yes he's cool but for some reason I preferred him before they turned him into a ginger. Or a human for that matter.

GIRLY MAN!!!

But I like Ganondorf as a human, gives him character!

Ganondorf didn't seem to like a lot the fact of being an evil creature in The Wind Waker, he even seems to be trying to inspire compassion in Zelda and Link, to make them see what he has suffered, he actually seems to be slightly mild with them. For example, when he tells Link that he won't kill him, or when he talks him about the desert.

Notice too that he calls himself Ganondorf (his human name), and the King calls him Ganon. Ganondorf seems to want to be still a human, he still has good feelings. He seems to be wise and cultured, probably because of his age.

Think about it, isn't it reasonable for him to get mad when the King frustrated his plans? Maybe he wanted to be a good ruler, maybe because of the experience he could have aqcuired through time.


Whoa! Well, he doesn't like the thought of being an abomination, but as we've seen of his mutations, he's not afraid to pull out the stops cause he's KOOKOO! If he killed Link the Triforce would fly away, and I see nothing compassionate about telling him that. When he talks about the desert, I think it is the boyish once-motivation he had crawling through the hate, or a ploy to distract Link.

Or, as you said, he's refined. He's sort of a Jafar, if you look at it that way. Doesn't mean he's any less evil or crazy, just refined.

And "Let the harsh rays of the sun burn forth again?" Doesn't sound like a kind ruler...

He is more collective and cunning and that in itself is more dangerous than the quick tempered Ganondorf from the Ocarina of Time.

I know. That's what I love about the WW...Ganon.

The US of A is not evil, we're not perfect, but we're the best nation on the face of the earth...


And GOD BLESS AMERICA!

I'll have to do more comments later.

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 09:49 PM

Since when did this become an American-bashing topic?


Someone else compared Ganon to Hitler, so why can't I compare Ganon to Bush?

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 10:25 PM

Because it's universal that Hitler was nuts, and a sole theory of radical liberals that Bush is.

In any case, I was referring to davo, and this isn't a good place to start political shpeel. Makes you look stupid.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 02:23 AM

So Ganondorf wasn't selfish?  Come on, people.  He was evil and you know it.  Ganon is the king of evil.  You can't honestly sympathize with him.


Well, I guess they could, since he's brainwashed all of them. hehe :lol:

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 02:00 PM

Darkseid, I refuse to comment on your big long post on the grounds that it is perfect and awesomely awesome


Are you talking about the post where I sarcastically took up for Ganondorf, or are you talking about something else.

I think most people think that Ganondorf is more compassionate and forgiving because he takes on a more human appearance, but Ganon is still essentially Ganondorf, so his actions as either one could prove that he is evil.

In FSA Zelda states this about the coming presence of Ganon:

What?! That raw patch of darkness, deeper then the blackest night...Is...Is that Vaati? No, it's not the wind sorcerer...No matter, I must use my power to seal it away! Can't breathe...My strength is failing me...The very air around me is growing thin...dying...I only need a bit more power.

I define that as being evil. If you can take away the very oxygen around the surrounding area by just your presence coming then I would say that, that would be evil in my eyes.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 03:00 PM

Are you talking about the post where I sarcastically took up for Ganondorf, or are you talking about something else.


No, the one on page 2 where you took everything the blowhard's ever said, and used it to analyze his character. I mean, I think he's evil too.

And yes, people, it is possible to like Ganondorf a lot (like me) and think he's also the evillest SOB next to SATAN....like me.

I haven't played FSA, but it apparently has some sweet dialogue. Sounds like the coming of SATAN!!!!!!

(The all Caps thing is a bit of an inside joke, I didn't really mean to type it...Lit Club thing...)

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 03:34 PM

I've got more definitions of evil here, literally. I looked it up in dictionary and Ganondorf fits almost all of them.

1. Anthing which impairs the happines of a being or deprives a being of any good; anything which causes suffering of any kind to sentinent beings; injury; mischief; harm; -opposed to good.

Well, Ganondorf did a lot of this.

2. Moral badness, or deviation of a moral being from principles of virtue imposed by conscience, or by the will of the Supreme Being, or by the principles of a lawful human authority; disposition to to wrong; moral offence; wickedness; depravity.

Ganondorf also defied the three goddesses by seeking their power to use it wickedly.

3. malady or disease

I guess in terms of his mental sickness. ;)

4. Having qualities tending to injury and mischief; having a nature or properties which tend to badness; mischievous; not good; worthless or deletrious.

5. Having or exhibiting bad moral qualities; morally corrupt; wicked; wrong; vicious; as, evil conduct, thoughts, heart, words, and the like.

Ganondorf represents [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of these things.
(And I did not realise how many words could be associated with evil :lmao: )

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 04:02 PM

Because it's universal that Hitler was nuts, and a sole theory of radical liberals that Bush is.


Don't forget half of the world outside of the USA... And I don't think anyone believes he's nuts, just evil.

Back on topic... It was never explained how Hyrule Market was destroyed, was it? t it was during a battle, then it wouldn't be very "evil". Also, as far as we know, he could have been waiting to gather the entire triforce before making his people leave the desert. After all, he had to keep looking for the other pieces of the triforce to make sure he wouldn't be defeated by anyone.

Ganondorf definitly is evil, but I'd hardly say that he's the most evil creature in the Zelda series. The Majora's Mask has him beaten there.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:00 PM

We don't know enough about Majora's Mask to make that judgment. Maybe he had something against Termina. The founder locked him away? We can't say he's indefinitely evil juswt cause he's mysterious, plays with lunar objects, and makes weird sounds from the depths of the palace of SATAN!!!!!!!

Heh heh, I'll never get tired of that.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:17 PM

SkyDragon that was a wonderful way to explain things, and yes Ganondorf does have all of those qualities and deserves his title as "King of Evil".

Back on topic... It was never explained how Hyrule Market was destroyed, was it?

It was still highly suggested that Ganondorf was behind its destruction. The people of the Market had to flee to the town of Kakariko because the Market was destroyed and overran by Redeads. Redeads could also be associated with Ganondorf because there are Redeads in Ganon's Castle, thus must be a pawn of his as well.

Also, as far as we know, he could have been waiting to gather the entire triforce before making his people leave the desert


That could be possible, yet we don't know what he would have done. The suggestions by the gerudos given in FSA makes me think that he is only out for himself, and they even called him a criminal and hated him.

No, the one on page 2 where you took everything the blowhard's ever said, and used it to analyze his character. I mean, I think he's evil too.

Oh okay, well thanks then.

Ganondorf definitly is evil, but I'd hardly say that he's the most evil creature in the Zelda series. The Majora's Mask has him beaten there.


Well I have explained before that Majora's Mask was just evil, and that is all there was to its character. It wanted to destroy everything in its path and as far as personifing evil I would suggest that Majora's Mask would do that better than Ganondorf would. However that is not to suggest that Ganondorf was as cruel or not even more cruel than Majora's Mask. Majora's Mask doomed Termina with the moon and thus if it was successful could have destroyed the entire place, but Ganondorf also ruled Hyrule through tyranny. Good examples of this from the real world would be things like the Atomic Bomb hitting Hiroshima and prisoners of war in Vietnam. Sure the atomic bomb was bad and it killed lots of people, but most of the American civilians that were prisoners of war in Vietnam would have chosen death over being victim to the cruelty that the Vietnamese placed upon them. So in just terms of being malice both of them can be associated with it, just in different ways though.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:33 PM

Ganondorf is far from evil. He's just a man whose ducks aren't all in a row. He just needs a hug, a box of chocolates, and a bedtime story. Gerudo have needs, too, y'know.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:49 PM

Ganondorf is far from evil. He's just a man whose ducks aren't all in a row. He just needs a hug, a box of chocolates, and a bedtime story. Gerudo have needs, too, y'know.


I don't really think that Ganondorf is as insane as most people would suggest, well not like the Joker insane. I mean he is demented but he is sophisticated as well, and the Wind Waker proved that. He was also going to decapitate Link for no reason at all until Tetra came in and distracted him. I don't see how killing someone for no good reason can be justified, and then say well don't blame him that man's just crazy.

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 02:35 AM

Actually, I think the MM was a bit less evil than Ganondorf, simply because it was suicidal. It was willing to take itself out along with everyone and everything else, simply to accomplish it's goal. Ganon, on the other hand, is very meticulous about what he does, and when he does it. He plans thoroughly his attacks, and then carries them out.

I just find him to be more evil than any other villain in the Zelda series, but then again, like Husse, I've always kinda understood Ganon(dorf) more than any other villain.

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 03:39 AM

I do actually have an argument for Ganondorf being very evil but I'm still hoping someone else will think of it so I don't end up argueing with myself :P


Well have you seen anything that has been said that you was going to say about Ganondorf being evil. I tried to look at it for awhile and maybe suggest that he might not be all that bad, but there isn't no way around it, the man is evil and that is all there is to it.




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