Yes. Have you? Where does it say that the Trident is anything other just an inanimate object?
How evil is Ganondorf?
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 08:29 PM
Yea, it kind've hints there's a demon spirit of some sort within the Trident.
Also, yea, I agree that Ganon didn't start out "evil", but he did become evil by the beginning of OOT. Vengeance is not an excuse for evil deeds, like killing the innocent (Zoras, Kokiri, Gorons.) He's also pretty insane, which is probably what lead to his evil in the first place. He's basically Hyrule's equivelent to Hitler.
Also, yea, I agree that Ganon didn't start out "evil", but he did become evil by the beginning of OOT. Vengeance is not an excuse for evil deeds, like killing the innocent (Zoras, Kokiri, Gorons.) He's also pretty insane, which is probably what lead to his evil in the first place. He's basically Hyrule's equivelent to Hitler.
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:23 PM
How many innocent did Ganondorf actually kill? As far as we know, the Zorans were merely isolated from the world. He simply resurrected an ancient enemy of the Gorons for his revenge on them instead of actually killing Gorons himself. He didn't even touch the Kokiri, they simply live in fear because they lost their guardian (whom Ganondorf did kill). Even with the great deku tree it was just a tactic for getting what he wanted, like holding a gun to someones head. The tree foolishly denied Ganondorf and so he pulled the trigger.
I do actually have an argument for Ganondorf being very evil but I'm still hoping someone else will think of it so I don't end up argueing with myself
I do actually have an argument for Ganondorf being very evil but I'm still hoping someone else will think of it so I don't end up argueing with myself
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:29 PM
in TWW he punched Zelda (a girl), that's pretty rude... you don't go around hitting ladies...
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" Hm? That writing on those large rocks...It's in an ancient tounge...Let's see if I can read it. Seek...you...the world? Seek you...power? Does your soul...despise peace and thirst for..more? Does you soul...cry...for destruction and...conquest? We...grant you...power to..ruin the world. The power of darkness. Evil...spirit of magic trident. You are...the...King of Darkness. Evil spirit...Spirit of magic? Trident? This indentation is the shape of a weapon. Do you think the person who took this trident was...Ganondorf?!? The King of Darkness is not Vaati? Does this mean this wicked man is somewhere in Hyrule plotting even now? Link! The situation is even more desperate then I believed! We must hurry! "Could someone please tell me the story of the "Trident" ?
Basically an evil race created the Trident, and if one would succeed in gaining the powerful weapon the they would be granted the title "King of Darkness".
How many innocent did Ganondorf actually kill?
Do you need to kill innocent people in order to be an evil person? Sometimes there are things far worse than death. Let us take a look at just one of Ganon's servants Veran for instance. This vile witch made the people of Labrynna work day in and day out without sleep. Everyone was subject to this project to build the Black Tower, both young and old, and none of them got any rest. Her act of slavery was worse than that of African American slaves, or Egyptian slaves, and so on, because at least they got rest, at least they got food, Veran gave nothing and she is but just a servant to the Evil King Ganon.
He still imprisoned them in Fire Temple and was going to feed them to the dragon Volvagia. So what if he didn't do it himself, did you see the fear and terror that the Gorons went through thinking that they were going to be ate alive by the terrible subterranean lava dragon.He simply resurrected an ancient enemy of the Gorons for his revenge on them instead of actually killing Gorons himself.
He didn't even touch the Kokiri, they simply live in fear because they lost their guardian (whom Ganondorf did kill).
They were still suffering. They couldn't live their lives normally and were basically trapped within the confines of their homes. If they ventured out then they would risk a chance of being killed, so basically that is not a good life to live. I would have rather went out in the big Moon explosion in Majora's Mask than to have to live through the tyranny of Ganondorf.
No an insane person kills for fun, an evil person could do many different things, and suffering could be the worse. Look at what Satan did to Job in the Bible.A truly evil person kills for fun.
If you think that Ganondorf is evil just because he was a conquerer who believed that he and his people deserved Hyrule, than you have to say King Daphnes was evil too because he was just as stubborn about keeping Hyrule for his people and even admits he was no different from Ganondorf himself
The King didn't conquer the world though, he made peace with the other races, Ganondorf's included. He sought to end the senseless violence of war and bargained for a treaty of peace, that is not the same thing that Ganondorf did.
Let's look at what the into to the Wind Waker said about Ganondorf.
The great evil that all thought had been forever sealed away by the hero once again crept forth from the depths of the earth eager to resume its dark designs.
Later it says this and we have a picture of the eyes of Ganon over a flaming village.
Faced by an onslaught of evil, the people could do nothing but appeal to the gods. In the last hour, as doom drew nigh, they left their future in the hands of fate.
These citizens wouldn't be praying to the goddesses if their lives weren't full of melancholy and despair now would they. Something terrible had to have been happening for them to cause such great actions that they would be willing to have their homeland flooded out and sealed within time.
Ganondorf also caused a tremendous storm that was so large that it engulfed the entire great sea, in which daylight could never return. Despite so many things depending on the the solar energy of the sun I guess that wouldn't be a bad thing, just playing with the weather a bit I suppose:P. And the only reason it stopped was when Link got Nayru's Pearl. Why was this? Well Ganondorf is no fool, if he sensed a person holding the three pearls that could gain them access in recovering the Master Sword, then his power would return.
Actually I could say more, but this will do for now. Still just because Ganondorf was a conquerer does not mean that he wasn't a tyrant to boot along with it.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 10:57 AM
See, the Trident does hold some evil Spirit inside of it, which for all we know, could be Ganondorf's lost mind (from OoX) and when this new reincarnation finds it (out of greed), he's infused with all his past knowledge?
Anyway.
Actually, the Gerudoes are portrayed as Arabs pretty much in OoT. And there are a lot of anti-Arabic sentiments throughout the game. The way it would appear, is that with some quite racist creators, OoT portrayed the Orientals as the Hylians and Kokiri (to make themselves seem good and strong and noble and wise), the Caucasians as Zoras to make them seem feminine and weak, the Negros as Gorons with some quite apparent (at least to me) underlined portrayals of ignorant early 19th century philosophies, showing them as barbaric and dumb. The Hispanics? I guess Nintendo didn;t deem them a race, although I could sit here and fanwank a connection to the Sheikah. Topic? Ganondorf is more of a Saddam than a Hitler, both practiced racial purification.
Anyway.
He's basically Hyrule's equivelent to Hitler.
Actually, the Gerudoes are portrayed as Arabs pretty much in OoT. And there are a lot of anti-Arabic sentiments throughout the game. The way it would appear, is that with some quite racist creators, OoT portrayed the Orientals as the Hylians and Kokiri (to make themselves seem good and strong and noble and wise), the Caucasians as Zoras to make them seem feminine and weak, the Negros as Gorons with some quite apparent (at least to me) underlined portrayals of ignorant early 19th century philosophies, showing them as barbaric and dumb. The Hispanics? I guess Nintendo didn;t deem them a race, although I could sit here and fanwank a connection to the Sheikah. Topic? Ganondorf is more of a Saddam than a Hitler, both practiced racial purification.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 11:58 AM
That's what I've been trying to tell all these silly people. A truly evil person kills for fun. TWW shows he only does it when it's really neccessary. If anything, Link is evil for slaughtering thousands of monsters, some of them sentient.
Link killed those monsters in self defense. Those monsters would have killed him first if he had let them. Link is mostly fighting in defense to protect his people, while Ganondorf in offense, and that is one of the differences between the two.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 12:26 PM
Link is way more evil. He tries to cut up cuccos, leave Bow-Bows under the care of monsters, tries every weapon he can on the poor cuccos untill he finds that magic powder burns them alive, he steals, he goes into people's houses uninvited and he uses Marin as a weapon against monsters. Or was that just my Link's Awakening?
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 01:21 PM
um....wow Zythe. You're sick XD and yea, most of those monsters weren't even supposed to exist, like the Redeads, which are basically homunculi. Sentience means nothing if they're evil. They had to be taken down for the greater good, and when Link resets time, they get to live again, free from Ganon's rule.
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Actually I think that the Trident was created by a tribe of evil to lend that person the power to harness destruction and chaos at will. Which race would most suit this though? Well let's just take a look at the different ones and see which ones would be most suitable.See, the Trident does hold some evil Spirit inside of it, which for all we know, could be Ganondorf's lost mind (from OoX) and when this new reincarnation finds it (out of greed), he's infused with all his past knowledge?
Hylians: could be, but I doubt it.
Kokiri: could be, but I seriously doubt it.
Zora: could be, but I doubt it.
Goron: could be, but I doubt it.
Fairy: could be, but I seriously doubt it.
Shiekah: possible, but just because they are the shadow equvilant to the Hylians does not make them evil.
Deku: could be, but I doubt it as they are more of followers than craftsman.
Gerudo: could be, but Ganondorf, Koume, and Kotake are really the only evil ones amongst the race.
Suborsian: could be, but I seriously doubt it.
Tokay: could be, but I seriously doubt it.
Rito: could be, but I doubt it.
Koroks: could be, but I seriously doubt it.
Zuna: could be, but I doubt it as they might have made the pyramid, but that doesn't indicate that they made the Trident of Darkness.
Minish: could be, but Vaati was the only real evil one amongst the race that we seen.
Tribe of Majora: here is the most likely solution as they were a tribe of evil honoring the great Majora in hexing rituals.
I have no proof for my claims, but I just think they would be the most suitable race in making such a weapon, and since Majora himself thrived on destruction it sorta fits the bill nicely.
Link is way more evil. He tries to cut up cuccos, leave Bow-Bows under the care of monsters, tries every weapon he can on the poor cuccos untill he finds that magic powder burns them alive, he steals, he goes into people's houses uninvited and he uses Marin as a weapon against monsters. Or was that just my Link's Awakening?
Well the player actually controls Link's actions so what he does depends on the player. However I would say for the most part that Link's actions are good. Sure he might barge into people's houses and take their stuff, but they don't really seem to mind, so no harm done.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 04:09 PM
What I was trying to point out is that Link is neither good nor evil. As for the tribe, they don't have to be any race as a whole, just a group of people. It could be Koume and Kotake's tribe.
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Kotake and Koume are of the gerudo race and thanks for mentioning them as now I need to edit my above post.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 04:47 PM
But Kotake and Kogume don't seem to consider themselves part of Gerudo tribe (and vice versa). Sure they may be of the same ethinicity (Arab or Hindu I guess) but they seem more like outsiders to the Gerudo band of theives thriving solely on making Ganondorf as evil as possible.
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Wouldn't matter if they did consider themselves as gerudos or not, they are still the gerudo witches and are of the tribe whether they would want to admit it or not. Of course I know what your saying Mario Jr. but that would be like me saying that I am not a caucasian person when I really am.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 07:16 PM
Since this is a question of character, (my favorite kind!!!) I will answer everybody's post...*cracks knuckles*
Incompetent? He crushed a town, he's clever except for the whole nutcake thing, of course he's competent. Competent to be Hitler. And Talon ran a fine business, even if he lacked the skills to do so, his daughter compensted. Ingo may have had skills, but he was a Scrooge with greed poisoned by who? His "incompetent" overlord.
We're not talking Hyrule, we're talking Ganondorf. If it were his will, Kakariko would be a greasespot, not a metropolis.
If you have no morals, that's fine. You seem to get a little queasy on the subject of sex, so you obviously have some belief on something. And if there were no morals, it is OBVIOUS there are in Hyrule, he's breaking the law.
It shows character of a madman through hypocrisy. Great quote.
I'll do more yammering later.
That's a stupid comment. He pursued the Triforce not for world peace, but for world domination under an iron fist. If he slapped Link before he ever went power mad, killed a Sacred Tree, starved the Gorons, poisoned the God of a race...he wasn't planning on being a good king.He also sought to control the triforce, but we know that good kings have governed with the triforce so this in itself is not evil either.
and again isn't evil, just incompetent. This however allows for ambitious, driven people (like Ingo) to do well. This is good for the economy, since Talon was too lazy to take full advantage of the farms production abilities.
Incompetent? He crushed a town, he's clever except for the whole nutcake thing, of course he's competent. Competent to be Hitler. And Talon ran a fine business, even if he lacked the skills to do so, his daughter compensted. Ingo may have had skills, but he was a Scrooge with greed poisoned by who? His "incompetent" overlord.
..........uh...They said, why no! You can't have our nation's precious treasure, and he wreaked terrible vengeance. That's crazy.the Zoras and Gorons did stand against him in his pursuit of conquest so I consider this to be more vengeance.
Kakariko village has actually improved since the conquest.
We're not talking Hyrule, we're talking Ganondorf. If it were his will, Kakariko would be a greasespot, not a metropolis.
Again, that's not what he cares about. He wants world domination, but not for the world. It's the means, not the ends.but he has helped the economy instead of drawing all the wealth unto himself.
I actually admire Ganondorf. He's very ambitious. He sees an oppurtunity and he takes it. So he's evil because he has goals and isn't lazy? C'mon people!
If you have no morals, that's fine. You seem to get a little queasy on the subject of sex, so you obviously have some belief on something. And if there were no morals, it is OBVIOUS there are in Hyrule, he's breaking the law.
True. People, normal people, don't start evil, that's dumb, but Ganondorf obviously realized later that gaining ground for himself was better than saving his tribe, at least for him. Otherwise, he would've invited the thieves to stay in his tower, verdad?It seems like he just wanted his Gerudo race to have more power. He thought they were the best race and they deserved more than just to rot in the desert. He wanted the Triforce to get what his people rightly deserved.
I hate that quote at the end of TWW. It really makes people think Ganondorf is less evil than he is.
It shows character of a madman through hypocrisy. Great quote.
I'll do more yammering later.
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Great post Husse, and everything you stated is true. Just because Ganondorf doesn't want to destroy everything in his path, doesn't mean he isn't evil. He wants to rule all and have everyone else worship him as a god. He even commanded Link to give him the Triforce! Who does he think he is?
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 10:25 PM
Ganondorf's wish is not evil, what is evil are the means he's using to achieve it. Apparently the Triforce doesn't grant the wish automatically, it gives instead, means to the one who wishes to get his/her desire fulfilled.
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[size=1]Ganondorf simply doesn't know how to apply the power the Triforce granted him (with the Triforce of Power apparently). He wants all the Triforce, not knowing that he only needs to use the power of the Triforce wisely to Hyrule in a pacific way. His problem is the lack of experience.
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[size=1]Ganondorf simply doesn't know how to apply the power the Triforce granted him (with the Triforce of Power apparently). He wants all the Triforce, not knowing that he only needs to use the power of the Triforce wisely to Hyrule in a pacific way. His problem is the lack of experience.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 11:05 PM
Well, Voolmaroe, I agree with this:
I mean really! First off, it grants wishes pretty darn fast. WW anyone? Alttp? Secondly, you don't grant wishes when you get one piece of the Triforce, you just gain power to get those wishes done yourself. Is that what you meant?
Uh....the problem is he's a sick, twisted Hitler that was clever before he lost his sanity in a major fashion.
But this is bull:Ganondorf's wish is not evil, what is evil are the means he's using to achieve it.
Apparently the Triforce doesn't grant the wish automatically, it gives instead, means to the one who wishes to get his/her desire fulfilled.
I mean really! First off, it grants wishes pretty darn fast. WW anyone? Alttp? Secondly, you don't grant wishes when you get one piece of the Triforce, you just gain power to get those wishes done yourself. Is that what you meant?
Ganondorf simply doesn't know how to apply the power the Triforce granted him (with the Triforce of Power apparently). He wants all the Triforce, not knowing that he only needs to use the power of the Triforce wisely to Hyrule in a pacific way. His problem is the lack of experience.
Uh....the problem is he's a sick, twisted Hitler that was clever before he lost his sanity in a major fashion.
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I mean really! First off, it grants wishes pretty darn fast. WW anyone? Alttp? Secondly, you don't grant wishes when you get one piece of the Triforce, you just gain power to get those wishes done yourself. Is that what you meant?
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I took that idea from davogones. I meant that Ganondorf didn't need the complete Triforce because when he wished on the Triforce it gave him all what he needed: the Triforce of Power. I repeat, he didn't know how to use it.
I mean really! First off, it grants wishes pretty darn fast. WW anyone? Alttp? Secondly, you don't grant wishes when you get one piece of the Triforce, you just gain power to get those wishes done yourself. Is that what you meant?
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I took that idea from davogones. I meant that Ganondorf didn't need the complete Triforce because when he wished on the Triforce it gave him all what he needed: the Triforce of Power. I repeat, he didn't know how to use it.
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It wasn't his fault. His heart wasn't in balance, so it was the Triforce, not he, who screwed up.
It wasn't his fault. His heart wasn't in balance, so it was the Triforce, not he, who screwed up.
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Let's judge Ganondorf's character for a minute and they way that he acts towards others. Since Ganondorf only shows an appearance in two games I will only be using Ocarina of Time and the Wind Waker as references.
Ocarina of Time
Besides the constant nightmares Link has of Ganondorf, tales told from the Deku Tree about him and evil stare that he gives Link near the Castle courtyard we don't really get to know his character until he speaks. What is Ganondorf like? Well lets find out.
Arrrrgh! I lost her! You, over there! Little kid! You must have seen the white horse gallop past just now...Which way did it go?! Answer me!!
So it seems that he asked a simple question to Link...at first that is, then he demands our young hero to answer his questions in a very authoritive manner. Link not wanting to let Ganondorf know where Zelda and Impa went, draws his measly Kokiri Sword and gets ready to defend them. But how does Ganondorf take this? He thinks it is amusing as we can tell with his next quote.
You want a piece of me?! Very funny! I like your attitude!
He is a bit awe-struck by Link's actions, and probably thinks of it him showing an incredible sense of courage, but that is where Ganondorf's respect ends. He soon counters him by claiming that Link is insignificant in comparison to the great gerudo king, by blasting our little hero down with a magical blast of energy.
Pathetic little fool! Do you realize who you are dealing with?! I am Ganondorf! And soon, I will rule the world!
This does not stop our young hero though, because as soon as Ganondorf rides off, Link grabs the Ocarina of Time and heads for the Temple of Time. Link then enters the Door of Time and pulls out the Master Sword, thus opening the Sacred Realm, and sealing him in a containment field of time. Arrogantly Ganondorf complements the young lad in helping him get access to the Sacred Realm.
Geh heh heh! Excellent work! As I thought, you held the keys to the Door of Time! You have led me to the gates of the Sacred Realm...Yes, I owe it all to you, kid! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
So going by this it seems as if Ganondorf had cunningly plotted out this whole ordeal, well in the sense that he realized who could grant him access into the Sacred Realm.
Seven years down the road Link goes to the Forest Temple to save his best friend Saria so that he can awaken her as the Sage of the Forest. But to do so he had to defeat The Evil Spirit from Beyond: Phantom Ganon. Link was successful and most villains would have been outraged by this, but not Ganondorf, infact he was expecting the kid to come and face him. Just look at what he said.
Hey kid, you did quite well...It looks like you may be gaining some slight skill...But you have defeated only my phantom...When you fight the real me, it won't be so easy! What a worthless creation that ghost was! I will banish it to the gap between dimensions!!
He still wasn't all that impressed and only claimed that Link may have gained a slihgt bit in skill, but did say that he was looking forward to a confrontation with him, as he stated that when Link faced him it wouldn't be so easy.
The next time we hear of Ganondorf it is his booming voice echoing louding via telepathy. When Shiek reveals that he is actually a she, as in Princess Zelda Ganondorf contacts them and lets them know just what he thinks about her hiding from him all this time.
Princess Zelda...you foolish traitor! I commend you for avoiding my pursuit for seven long years. But you let your guard down...I knew you would appear if I let
this kid wander around! My only mistake was to slightly underestimate the power of this kid...No...It was not the kid's power I misjudged, it was the power of the Triforce of Courage! But, with the Triforce of Wisdom that Zelda has...When I obtain these two Triforces...Then, I will become the true ruler of the world!! If you want to rescue Zelda, come to my castle! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
He calls Zelda a traitor as if he and the King still have their peace treaty together or something. Yet he also acknowledges her use of magical transformation that was able to decieve even his eyes from her presence. He almost granted Link in having done the huge tremendous task that he did, but turns around and gives credit to the Triforce of Courage instead. Not only is he conceited about the whole ordeal but he also claims that he would be victorious before the battle even happens.
Our next meeting with him takes place inside Ganon's Tower in the top upmost chamber where he plays his organ waiting for Link to come through the door.
The Triforce parts are resonating...They are combining into one again...The two Triforce parts that I could not capture on that day seven years ago...I didn't expect they would be hidden within you two! And now, finally, all the Triforce parts have gathered here! I command you to return them to me!
Ganondorf already was able to conquer the land of Hyrule within a seven year time frame, but that wasn't good enough for him, as he once again demands Link to give up his piece of the Triforce so that he can govern all. Of course Link refuse to and a battle commences between the two. When it is all said and over with Ganondorf is shocked in amazement and refers to himself as an evil individual.
The Great Evil King Ganondorf...beaten by this kid?! Link...!
Later after the castle falls, and Ganondorf uses the Triforce of Power to transform into Ganon. He is sealed in the Evil Realm, but reverts back into Ganondorf claiming vengeance.
YOU...CURSE YOU...ZELDA! CURSE YOU...SAGES!! CURSE YOU...Link! Someday...When this seal is broken....That is when I will exterminate your descendants!! As long as the Triforce of Power is in my hand....
So here he admits that he will get revenge and murder the descendants of Link, Zelda, and the Sages. Thus this ends Ganondorf's character in the game Ocarina of Time.
But there are a few more things I would like to point out as well such as what the Official Player's Guide in which was foreworded by Shigeru Miyamoto who describes the Evil King a bit in detail. First I will tell of what the profile of Ganondorf stated:
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Ganondorf, the scourge of Hyrule, struck fear into the heart of those who crossed his path. His sunken eyes were portals to the evil and hatred that boiled beneath his crawling skin. He bordered on invincible, fearing only the Hero of Time.
The other thing said about him was a short summary of Link trying to reach Ganondorf's Tower.
Within the stained glass walls of the tower, the battle between good and evil raged as Hyrule's delicate fate hung in the balance. Ganondorf, the living emodiment of evil, pulsed with the power of a thousand men. His wrath struck like lightning as he furiously defended his diabolic crown from the courage of the young hero.
Now let us head to the Wind Waker.
The Wind Waker
We see Ganondorf once early in the game when he orders the Helmaroc King to throw Link away, but other than this we really don't get to see his character shine until we meet him the second time we go to the Forsaken Fortress. When Link succeeds in defeating both Phantom Ganon and the Helmaroc King, Ganondorf goes on about it being while since last they met, but Link has never really been face to face with him before except for this one occasion. Well that and his previous encouter with him during the Helmaroc King incident. Still Link looks puzzled as Ganondorf speaks.
It's been a while, boy. You have done well to sneak into my fortress and wriggle your way all the way up here. I suppose that the least I can do is commend you for your reckless courage. My name is Ganondorf....And I am the master of the Forsaken Fortress.
Link looks in shock, and raises his sword
By the way, boy...When you drew that sword of yours out of its pedestal...Did you by chance notice how all of the monsters frozen in time down there suddenly began stirring again? Do you understand precisely what that means? ...I highly doubt you do. Foolish child. While that sword is indeed the blade of evil's bane, at the same time, it has long played another role....You see, it is also a sort of key...a most wretched little key that has kept the seal on me and my magic intact!
Once again Ganondorf is in control of how the actions of the hero are set. He wanted Link to pull the Master Sword out, and while Link may have not known what would have happened Ganondorf did, and his POWER had returned. With a devious laugh and devilish grinning gesture that goes over Ganondorf's face Link looked puzzled by the words of the Evil King.
By withdrawing the blade, you have broken that seal...
As soon as he says that, Link in a determined run charges at Ganondorf with all his might and nails him with the Master Sword....but to NO EFFECT! How can that be? Ganondorf knocks this twelve year old boy to the ground with his fist, and draws out his sword. Link lays on the ground possibly fearing for his life, since he does not have the triforce of courage, and one can notice his hands trembling while he was holding onto the Master Sword.
You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil! What you hold is useless. Go back to the world below, and tell that to the pathetic fools who made this blade! Its power is gone, and its edges are dull!
Ganondorf outright admits that he cannot be harmed a blade that does not have the power to repel evil, meaning he clearly once again states himself as an evil individual. Ganondorf raises his sword ready to excecute our hero, until Tetra comes running in, distracting Ganondorf. She jumps on his chest, and the Evil King attempts to swat her away. She goes over to Link and says this........
"Link! Get up!"
While being concered for Link, Ganondorf grabs the young girl by the throat, choking out the young pirate girl who then says....
"Uhh! Stop! Let me go!
The dark one grinning once again tells Tetra this......
"You pathetic little sea rat!"
As he begins to possibly kill her with his magic, his Triforce of Power begins to resonate. His eyebrows drop down in a very short confusion when he goes "!?!", he then says....
"My Triforce of Power is resonanting!"
He then laughs for a small bit in a maniacal form, and comments on finding out who Tetra truly is. Let's see what he had to say.
"Ha! At long last I have found you...Princess Zelda!"
Tetra looks at him as if the old man has lost his mind and tells him......
"Wh-What?! What are you talking about? I don't know any Zelda....
Though it appears that this old man knows a great deal and states this to her.
"Feining ignorance will gain you nothing! Tell me...if you are not Zelda, then why do you have this fragment of the Triforce?"
Then a huge rumble sets Ganondorf into a distraction, a long enough distraction for Komali and Quill to save Tetra and Link, and Tetra was sent into unconsciousnes from Ganondorf's choke hold. Ganondorf looked a bit disturbed at first, but when Valoo came there, he grinned, for he now had the knowledge of the two people who would gain the Triforce of Wisdom, and the Triforce of Courage, and Valoo even states that Ganondorf cannot be destroyed with such SIMPLE means as wrath and fire.
As the game progresses Ganondorf ends up capturing Zelda and says this.
You have deceived yourself... Did you think you'd be safe inside the castle? Foolish... Now that my power has been restored, there is no safe haven for you! I have taken your precious Zelda. And here, you shall fall into eternal slumber!
Soon flames engulf around our you hero Link and he has to face off against Darknuts in which were sent by Ganondorf. This is also something to consider about Ganondorf's character as he claimed that it was here that Link would fall into eternal slumber which can also be connated with death!
When Link reaches Ganondorf he has Zelda on a bed, claiming that he can read her dreams. He also presents so much authority that he demands Link to hear what he has to say.
Do you sleep still...Wait...Do not be so hasty boy. I can see this girl's dreams. Oceans......Oceans......Oceans....Oceans.....Oceans as far as the eye can see. They are vast seas. None can swim across them. They yeild no fish to catch. What did the King of Hyrule say? That the gods sealed Hyrule away. And they left behind people who would one day awaken Hyrule. How ridiculous! So many pathetic creatures, scattered across a handful of lands, drifting on this sea like leaves on a forgotten pool. What can they possibly hope to achieve. Don't you see....All of you...YOUR GODS DESTROYED YOU!!!! I have been waiting for you, boy. For one like you.....Do not betray my expectations.
Here we can tell Ganondorf's disgust for the gods, trying to blame them for the destruction of Hyrule, which they did not do. They froze it in time, and then flooded the world, and this was all to stop Ganondorf, but of course Ganondorf is not going to make himself sound like the bad guy. He also once again looks forward to a fight and tells the Hero of Winds not to betray his expectations. But before he can gain the Evil King's respect he must first take out his puppet. Link does succeed, and Ganondorf is delighted.
Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time reborn. Your time has come......Come now....Stand before me!!
Once again Ganondorf commands Link to fight and stand against him, in which Link does, but by the time Link gets there Ganondorf goes rambling on about things of the past.
My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gate pierced our homes. No matter when it came the winds carried the same thing. Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose. It can only be called fate. That here I would again gather the three with the crests. That I should lay my hand on that which grants the wishes of the beholder. That when power, wisdom, and courage come together, the gods would have no choice but to come down. The power of the gods, the Triforce. He who touches it will have whatever he desires granted. Already the crest of wisdom is mine...all that remains.......
He makes it clear that his people the gerudo did not have the best of lives, and that he yearned for Hyrule dearly. That is why he conquered it all them years ago, but he also wants to have those who were chosen by the gods to be below him as well. And who is the chosen people of Hyrule? That's right the Hylians. Later Ganondorf knocks out Link with a flurry of punches, but states that he wouldn't kill him. I mean think about it, with the Triforce he could rule over him, which would be better in Ganondorf's eyes than actually killing him.
Do not fear, I will not kill you. I merely have need of the power that dwells within you. Now let us put an end to that which binds us together!! Gods! Hear that which I desire! Expose this land to the rays of the sun once more! Let them burn forth! Give Hyrule to me!!
Ganondorf succeeds in getting the Triforce and now when he touches the sacred relic he will be granted his most desireable wish, and that wish was too long for the ancient kingdom of Hyrule. This might not seem like an evil thing, but we have no idea what he would have done afterwards if he succeeded in touching the Triforce. As we know Daphnes touches the Triforce before he does and Ganondorf laughs for a really long time, as he knows he will be in a battle that he can't win in, but still states this.
This is foolishness...A future for you? Very well then...Allow me to show you your future. Yes...Allow me to show you...Just what hope you have! See how much your precious Triforce is worth!
Perhaps he even thinks that he could defy a wish granted by the gods, that he could actually stop them from having a future. But alas that was not the case, but in a way I think it made him happy. As he realized you can't oppose a wish granted by the gods and laughs about having a sword being emedded in his head and it soon turned to stone.
Ughnn, heh, heh...The wind...it is blowing.
And for now that is all I have to say about the character of Ganondorf.
Ocarina of Time
Besides the constant nightmares Link has of Ganondorf, tales told from the Deku Tree about him and evil stare that he gives Link near the Castle courtyard we don't really get to know his character until he speaks. What is Ganondorf like? Well lets find out.
Arrrrgh! I lost her! You, over there! Little kid! You must have seen the white horse gallop past just now...Which way did it go?! Answer me!!
So it seems that he asked a simple question to Link...at first that is, then he demands our young hero to answer his questions in a very authoritive manner. Link not wanting to let Ganondorf know where Zelda and Impa went, draws his measly Kokiri Sword and gets ready to defend them. But how does Ganondorf take this? He thinks it is amusing as we can tell with his next quote.
You want a piece of me?! Very funny! I like your attitude!
He is a bit awe-struck by Link's actions, and probably thinks of it him showing an incredible sense of courage, but that is where Ganondorf's respect ends. He soon counters him by claiming that Link is insignificant in comparison to the great gerudo king, by blasting our little hero down with a magical blast of energy.
Pathetic little fool! Do you realize who you are dealing with?! I am Ganondorf! And soon, I will rule the world!
This does not stop our young hero though, because as soon as Ganondorf rides off, Link grabs the Ocarina of Time and heads for the Temple of Time. Link then enters the Door of Time and pulls out the Master Sword, thus opening the Sacred Realm, and sealing him in a containment field of time. Arrogantly Ganondorf complements the young lad in helping him get access to the Sacred Realm.
Geh heh heh! Excellent work! As I thought, you held the keys to the Door of Time! You have led me to the gates of the Sacred Realm...Yes, I owe it all to you, kid! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
So going by this it seems as if Ganondorf had cunningly plotted out this whole ordeal, well in the sense that he realized who could grant him access into the Sacred Realm.
Seven years down the road Link goes to the Forest Temple to save his best friend Saria so that he can awaken her as the Sage of the Forest. But to do so he had to defeat The Evil Spirit from Beyond: Phantom Ganon. Link was successful and most villains would have been outraged by this, but not Ganondorf, infact he was expecting the kid to come and face him. Just look at what he said.
Hey kid, you did quite well...It looks like you may be gaining some slight skill...But you have defeated only my phantom...When you fight the real me, it won't be so easy! What a worthless creation that ghost was! I will banish it to the gap between dimensions!!
He still wasn't all that impressed and only claimed that Link may have gained a slihgt bit in skill, but did say that he was looking forward to a confrontation with him, as he stated that when Link faced him it wouldn't be so easy.
The next time we hear of Ganondorf it is his booming voice echoing louding via telepathy. When Shiek reveals that he is actually a she, as in Princess Zelda Ganondorf contacts them and lets them know just what he thinks about her hiding from him all this time.
Princess Zelda...you foolish traitor! I commend you for avoiding my pursuit for seven long years. But you let your guard down...I knew you would appear if I let
this kid wander around! My only mistake was to slightly underestimate the power of this kid...No...It was not the kid's power I misjudged, it was the power of the Triforce of Courage! But, with the Triforce of Wisdom that Zelda has...When I obtain these two Triforces...Then, I will become the true ruler of the world!! If you want to rescue Zelda, come to my castle! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
He calls Zelda a traitor as if he and the King still have their peace treaty together or something. Yet he also acknowledges her use of magical transformation that was able to decieve even his eyes from her presence. He almost granted Link in having done the huge tremendous task that he did, but turns around and gives credit to the Triforce of Courage instead. Not only is he conceited about the whole ordeal but he also claims that he would be victorious before the battle even happens.
Our next meeting with him takes place inside Ganon's Tower in the top upmost chamber where he plays his organ waiting for Link to come through the door.
The Triforce parts are resonating...They are combining into one again...The two Triforce parts that I could not capture on that day seven years ago...I didn't expect they would be hidden within you two! And now, finally, all the Triforce parts have gathered here! I command you to return them to me!
Ganondorf already was able to conquer the land of Hyrule within a seven year time frame, but that wasn't good enough for him, as he once again demands Link to give up his piece of the Triforce so that he can govern all. Of course Link refuse to and a battle commences between the two. When it is all said and over with Ganondorf is shocked in amazement and refers to himself as an evil individual.
The Great Evil King Ganondorf...beaten by this kid?! Link...!
Later after the castle falls, and Ganondorf uses the Triforce of Power to transform into Ganon. He is sealed in the Evil Realm, but reverts back into Ganondorf claiming vengeance.
YOU...CURSE YOU...ZELDA! CURSE YOU...SAGES!! CURSE YOU...Link! Someday...When this seal is broken....That is when I will exterminate your descendants!! As long as the Triforce of Power is in my hand....
So here he admits that he will get revenge and murder the descendants of Link, Zelda, and the Sages. Thus this ends Ganondorf's character in the game Ocarina of Time.
But there are a few more things I would like to point out as well such as what the Official Player's Guide in which was foreworded by Shigeru Miyamoto who describes the Evil King a bit in detail. First I will tell of what the profile of Ganondorf stated:
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Ganondorf, the scourge of Hyrule, struck fear into the heart of those who crossed his path. His sunken eyes were portals to the evil and hatred that boiled beneath his crawling skin. He bordered on invincible, fearing only the Hero of Time.
The other thing said about him was a short summary of Link trying to reach Ganondorf's Tower.
Within the stained glass walls of the tower, the battle between good and evil raged as Hyrule's delicate fate hung in the balance. Ganondorf, the living emodiment of evil, pulsed with the power of a thousand men. His wrath struck like lightning as he furiously defended his diabolic crown from the courage of the young hero.
Now let us head to the Wind Waker.
The Wind Waker
We see Ganondorf once early in the game when he orders the Helmaroc King to throw Link away, but other than this we really don't get to see his character shine until we meet him the second time we go to the Forsaken Fortress. When Link succeeds in defeating both Phantom Ganon and the Helmaroc King, Ganondorf goes on about it being while since last they met, but Link has never really been face to face with him before except for this one occasion. Well that and his previous encouter with him during the Helmaroc King incident. Still Link looks puzzled as Ganondorf speaks.
It's been a while, boy. You have done well to sneak into my fortress and wriggle your way all the way up here. I suppose that the least I can do is commend you for your reckless courage. My name is Ganondorf....And I am the master of the Forsaken Fortress.
Link looks in shock, and raises his sword
By the way, boy...When you drew that sword of yours out of its pedestal...Did you by chance notice how all of the monsters frozen in time down there suddenly began stirring again? Do you understand precisely what that means? ...I highly doubt you do. Foolish child. While that sword is indeed the blade of evil's bane, at the same time, it has long played another role....You see, it is also a sort of key...a most wretched little key that has kept the seal on me and my magic intact!
Once again Ganondorf is in control of how the actions of the hero are set. He wanted Link to pull the Master Sword out, and while Link may have not known what would have happened Ganondorf did, and his POWER had returned. With a devious laugh and devilish grinning gesture that goes over Ganondorf's face Link looked puzzled by the words of the Evil King.
By withdrawing the blade, you have broken that seal...
As soon as he says that, Link in a determined run charges at Ganondorf with all his might and nails him with the Master Sword....but to NO EFFECT! How can that be? Ganondorf knocks this twelve year old boy to the ground with his fist, and draws out his sword. Link lays on the ground possibly fearing for his life, since he does not have the triforce of courage, and one can notice his hands trembling while he was holding onto the Master Sword.
You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil! What you hold is useless. Go back to the world below, and tell that to the pathetic fools who made this blade! Its power is gone, and its edges are dull!
Ganondorf outright admits that he cannot be harmed a blade that does not have the power to repel evil, meaning he clearly once again states himself as an evil individual. Ganondorf raises his sword ready to excecute our hero, until Tetra comes running in, distracting Ganondorf. She jumps on his chest, and the Evil King attempts to swat her away. She goes over to Link and says this........
"Link! Get up!"
While being concered for Link, Ganondorf grabs the young girl by the throat, choking out the young pirate girl who then says....
"Uhh! Stop! Let me go!
The dark one grinning once again tells Tetra this......
"You pathetic little sea rat!"
As he begins to possibly kill her with his magic, his Triforce of Power begins to resonate. His eyebrows drop down in a very short confusion when he goes "!?!", he then says....
"My Triforce of Power is resonanting!"
He then laughs for a small bit in a maniacal form, and comments on finding out who Tetra truly is. Let's see what he had to say.
"Ha! At long last I have found you...Princess Zelda!"
Tetra looks at him as if the old man has lost his mind and tells him......
"Wh-What?! What are you talking about? I don't know any Zelda....
Though it appears that this old man knows a great deal and states this to her.
"Feining ignorance will gain you nothing! Tell me...if you are not Zelda, then why do you have this fragment of the Triforce?"
Then a huge rumble sets Ganondorf into a distraction, a long enough distraction for Komali and Quill to save Tetra and Link, and Tetra was sent into unconsciousnes from Ganondorf's choke hold. Ganondorf looked a bit disturbed at first, but when Valoo came there, he grinned, for he now had the knowledge of the two people who would gain the Triforce of Wisdom, and the Triforce of Courage, and Valoo even states that Ganondorf cannot be destroyed with such SIMPLE means as wrath and fire.
As the game progresses Ganondorf ends up capturing Zelda and says this.
You have deceived yourself... Did you think you'd be safe inside the castle? Foolish... Now that my power has been restored, there is no safe haven for you! I have taken your precious Zelda. And here, you shall fall into eternal slumber!
Soon flames engulf around our you hero Link and he has to face off against Darknuts in which were sent by Ganondorf. This is also something to consider about Ganondorf's character as he claimed that it was here that Link would fall into eternal slumber which can also be connated with death!
When Link reaches Ganondorf he has Zelda on a bed, claiming that he can read her dreams. He also presents so much authority that he demands Link to hear what he has to say.
Do you sleep still...Wait...Do not be so hasty boy. I can see this girl's dreams. Oceans......Oceans......Oceans....Oceans.....Oceans as far as the eye can see. They are vast seas. None can swim across them. They yeild no fish to catch. What did the King of Hyrule say? That the gods sealed Hyrule away. And they left behind people who would one day awaken Hyrule. How ridiculous! So many pathetic creatures, scattered across a handful of lands, drifting on this sea like leaves on a forgotten pool. What can they possibly hope to achieve. Don't you see....All of you...YOUR GODS DESTROYED YOU!!!! I have been waiting for you, boy. For one like you.....Do not betray my expectations.
Here we can tell Ganondorf's disgust for the gods, trying to blame them for the destruction of Hyrule, which they did not do. They froze it in time, and then flooded the world, and this was all to stop Ganondorf, but of course Ganondorf is not going to make himself sound like the bad guy. He also once again looks forward to a fight and tells the Hero of Winds not to betray his expectations. But before he can gain the Evil King's respect he must first take out his puppet. Link does succeed, and Ganondorf is delighted.
Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time reborn. Your time has come......Come now....Stand before me!!
Once again Ganondorf commands Link to fight and stand against him, in which Link does, but by the time Link gets there Ganondorf goes rambling on about things of the past.
My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gate pierced our homes. No matter when it came the winds carried the same thing. Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose. It can only be called fate. That here I would again gather the three with the crests. That I should lay my hand on that which grants the wishes of the beholder. That when power, wisdom, and courage come together, the gods would have no choice but to come down. The power of the gods, the Triforce. He who touches it will have whatever he desires granted. Already the crest of wisdom is mine...all that remains.......
He makes it clear that his people the gerudo did not have the best of lives, and that he yearned for Hyrule dearly. That is why he conquered it all them years ago, but he also wants to have those who were chosen by the gods to be below him as well. And who is the chosen people of Hyrule? That's right the Hylians. Later Ganondorf knocks out Link with a flurry of punches, but states that he wouldn't kill him. I mean think about it, with the Triforce he could rule over him, which would be better in Ganondorf's eyes than actually killing him.
Do not fear, I will not kill you. I merely have need of the power that dwells within you. Now let us put an end to that which binds us together!! Gods! Hear that which I desire! Expose this land to the rays of the sun once more! Let them burn forth! Give Hyrule to me!!
Ganondorf succeeds in getting the Triforce and now when he touches the sacred relic he will be granted his most desireable wish, and that wish was too long for the ancient kingdom of Hyrule. This might not seem like an evil thing, but we have no idea what he would have done afterwards if he succeeded in touching the Triforce. As we know Daphnes touches the Triforce before he does and Ganondorf laughs for a really long time, as he knows he will be in a battle that he can't win in, but still states this.
This is foolishness...A future for you? Very well then...Allow me to show you your future. Yes...Allow me to show you...Just what hope you have! See how much your precious Triforce is worth!
Perhaps he even thinks that he could defy a wish granted by the gods, that he could actually stop them from having a future. But alas that was not the case, but in a way I think it made him happy. As he realized you can't oppose a wish granted by the gods and laughs about having a sword being emedded in his head and it soon turned to stone.
Ughnn, heh, heh...The wind...it is blowing.
And for now that is all I have to say about the character of Ganondorf.
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 01:36 PM
Very very nice, Darkseid. You have DONE it again. So yea, Ganondorf is one evil sonofabiotch. Of course, I don't think he's the personification of evil, just a terrorist that made history and power, like Saddam or something. I leave the personification of evil thing to Vaati, since he's a Minish that turned evil, similar to the fall of Lucifer.
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Well judging by the character as we see Ganondorf he doesn't really seem to be the embodiment of evil, but I was just stating what the Guide said and Miyamoto helped foreword it, so he must think of Ganondorf as that way as well, despite seeing that Ganondorf is not sum of all evil.
I wouldn't even say that Vaati is the personification of evil. He is vile indeed, but I wouldn't place him as something in which all evil thrives from.
I wouldn't even say that Vaati is the personification of evil. He is vile indeed, but I wouldn't place him as something in which all evil thrives from.
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Ganondorf wanted power, that much is clear. Desiring power is not a bad thing in itself. What can be evil is the means you use to achieve power, and what you do with your power once you obtain it.
Take the current president of the United States. Nobody died so he could become President (presumably). He didn't have to conquer anybody or subjugate any groups by violence. Arguably, he cheated to win the election, and this would be evil if true. Take Ganondorf on the other hand. He killed women and children. He betrayed the King in a plot to get the Triforce. He threatened the Gorons and cursed the Deku Tree and Jabu-Jabu when he didn't get his way. He would have killed Zelda if Impa hadn't taken her away. Clearly Ganondorf was willing to use evil means to obtain power.
Consider what the president of the US uses his power for. He (presumably) uses it to maintain a peaceful, wealthy nation. Arguably, he is increasing the gap between rich and poor, and fighting unjustified wars. These are evil uses of power, if they are true. Now take Ganondorf. Did he attempt to establish a peaceful, harmonious kingdom once he ascended to power? No... first he destroyed Hyrule Castle Town and never rebuilt it. He covered Hyrule with monsters and threatened to exterminate the Zoras and the Gorons. All of this was for his own self-aggrandizement and personal gain. Clearly, these are evil uses of power.
Perhaps Ganondorf had motivations to gain power, as he stated in TWW. But good ends don't justify bad means. And good motivations do not justify evil acts. And clearly, only some of his motivations were good, while most of his motivations were evil.
Take the current president of the United States. Nobody died so he could become President (presumably). He didn't have to conquer anybody or subjugate any groups by violence. Arguably, he cheated to win the election, and this would be evil if true. Take Ganondorf on the other hand. He killed women and children. He betrayed the King in a plot to get the Triforce. He threatened the Gorons and cursed the Deku Tree and Jabu-Jabu when he didn't get his way. He would have killed Zelda if Impa hadn't taken her away. Clearly Ganondorf was willing to use evil means to obtain power.
Consider what the president of the US uses his power for. He (presumably) uses it to maintain a peaceful, wealthy nation. Arguably, he is increasing the gap between rich and poor, and fighting unjustified wars. These are evil uses of power, if they are true. Now take Ganondorf. Did he attempt to establish a peaceful, harmonious kingdom once he ascended to power? No... first he destroyed Hyrule Castle Town and never rebuilt it. He covered Hyrule with monsters and threatened to exterminate the Zoras and the Gorons. All of this was for his own self-aggrandizement and personal gain. Clearly, these are evil uses of power.
Perhaps Ganondorf had motivations to gain power, as he stated in TWW. But good ends don't justify bad means. And good motivations do not justify evil acts. And clearly, only some of his motivations were good, while most of his motivations were evil.
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 05:16 PM
Nelson Mandella, a great person in the eyes pf history, killed women and children and brave men. No one calls him evil. It's a sacrife, allbeit one that one doesn't suffer from personally.
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 05:20 PM
Well written Darkseid!
Just a quick 2 cents:
Ganon/Ganondorf is way more evil than Vaati is or ever will be...
Just a quick 2 cents:
Ganon/Ganondorf is way more evil than Vaati is or ever will be...
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 05:56 PM
Vaati is the one who sacrificed people for no reason other than to make himself a God and rule the world. Ganon was a freedom fighter.
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is that what vaati is (havent played the games)? sounds like "urizen" from spawn.
and since when has ganon been a freedom fighter? the guys a power hungry, blood thirsty psycho! he doesn't even care about the gerudo's. he just wants everyone to fear him. i'm not saying his character is 2d, but he's just bad.
and since when has ganon been a freedom fighter? the guys a power hungry, blood thirsty psycho! he doesn't even care about the gerudo's. he just wants everyone to fear him. i'm not saying his character is 2d, but he's just bad.
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 06:16 PM
Vaati's character is 2d for sure. He just wants power, so he can be powerful. He comes from some special race of little peopel who (going by the name Picori) are "holy" in some way and then is "seduced by the evil in the hearts of men" and has some desire to be a god and be the best yadayadayada for no reason.
OoT was just after a wartime. The Hylian King, WON the war. The spin his people say is that he "unified the races", but they're under the King. Ganon, a king of another race, doesn't want his people to oppressed and condemmed to the wasteland so he seeks out the Triforce. He gets so consumed using the ToP to get the ToW and ToC, that he forgets all about the Gerudoes. That was how I saw it anyway.
OoT was just after a wartime. The Hylian King, WON the war. The spin his people say is that he "unified the races", but they're under the King. Ganon, a king of another race, doesn't want his people to oppressed and condemmed to the wasteland so he seeks out the Triforce. He gets so consumed using the ToP to get the ToW and ToC, that he forgets all about the Gerudoes. That was how I saw it anyway.
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Well written davogones. And it doesn't matter if Nelson Mandella was seen as a great man in history or not. If you go out killing women and children along with brave men, you are commiting an evil act in my eyes. It is just like all of those heroes who killed lots of Native Americans. They might be revered as great men, but that doesn't justify the fact of what they were doing was wrong. Take Andrew Jackson for example. He is held in high regard because he slayed a bunch of supposedly savages from the country even though it was their land to begin with.
Vaati was also not always evil. He became corrupted by the evil hearts of man, and thus turned on his mentor to accomplish these goals that he admired from the greedy hearts of men.
Vaati was also not always evil. He became corrupted by the evil hearts of man, and thus turned on his mentor to accomplish these goals that he admired from the greedy hearts of men.
