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[Neon Z]

Which account do you mean and where in the game does it say that it happened generations later? (Other than in the opening subtitles)

The intro...

The Hylian says it was a "little while after" and the subtitles say "generations."

And if you are referring to the opening subtitles, than I think that the actual Hylian text would be considered more canon than the subtitles.

It should, but, in this case, there's no contradiction between them, the Hylian text is just being vague, while the Subtitles are being a bit more specific. After all, "a little while"... what does that mean? It could be from a matter of minutes, if we're thinking about a single day, or even something like 40 years, if we're considering a total of hundreds of years.

Who is this commentary guy? Without even knowing his identity, I don't think we can accept his commentaries as canon.

The concept that Link spent hundreds of years in Termina is just a baseless theory, without any fact backing it up. Don't forget that the forest looked no different from the one at the start of the game...

[Vazor]

Don't forget that the forest looked no different from the one at the start of the game...

Because the WW Sacred Forest is the same forest as the Lost Woods.

[SOAP]

Wait. No guys. The single timeline can't work with this. If Hyrule was flooded while Link was in Termina and when he returned it was too late to do anything, then why is it that there a statue of an ADULT Link in Hyrule Castle?

[davogones]

Zethar-II's translation of this was originally posted on Mak's site. I talked to Mak and he put the page back up for us:

http://www.adventure...trocomment.html

I think what I'll do is take Beno's and Zethar II's translations and put them in an html table side-by-side for comparison.

[SOAP]

Something interesting: Why is there a distinction between the Hylia people and the "people of the plains?" Is this to suggest that the Lon's are not Hylians?

[FDL]

Yeah, all I could come up with is that the "people of the plains" are the Running Man, Ingo, Talon, Malon, The Lakeside Labratory Owner, and the Fisherman but I doubt they'd be counted seperately from the other Hylians.

[davogones]

Wait. No guys. The single timeline can't work with this. If Hyrule was flooded while Link was in Termina and when he returned it was too late to do anything, then why is it that there a statue of an ADULT Link in Hyrule Castle?

There are two ways this could work. In one theory (the so-called "time loop" theory), the OoT future happens again after OoT's ending. It's like Back to the Future where multiple "copies" of the same person are running around. So, seven years after OoT's ending in the child timeline, Ganondorf attacks and the *original* Hero of Time returns.

The other theory is that the people in the child timeline somehow "remembered" what happened in the adult timeline, even though both are completely separate. This could happen magically, or by Link telling people what happened.

[SOAP]

Yeah, I'm a strong follower of the Time Loop Theory (leaves less loose ends) but that still does not explain how Hyrule could've gotten attacked during Link's hiatus in Termina unless the three day cycling went on so far that it went past the point where he originally came from no where, defeats Ganon, and dissappears that when he eventually came back from Termina, Ganon had already struck and it was too late to do anything.

Um...the "people of the plains" are obviously the other races.

Since when were Mountians, Waters, and Forests considered Plains?

[MikePetersSucks]

*is personally a fan of Davo's old article about the entire future being sealed in the Dark World, and the Child Timeline being REBUILT instead of sent to the past. It makes sense to me, honestly. Sure, it makes Zelda seem powerful, but um...Light Force =D*

[Zythe]

There are two ways this could work. In one theory (the so-called "time loop" theory), the OoT future happens again after OoT's ending. It's like Back to the Future where multiple "copies" of the same person are running around. So, seven years after OoT's ending in the child timeline, Ganondorf attacks and the *original* Hero of Time returns.

The other theory is that the people in the child timeline somehow "remembered" what happened in the adult timeline, even though both are completely separate. This could happen magically, or by Link telling people what happened.

A loop wouldn't work. Because Link has to physically stay still for the X years involved. It would work in an OoA paradox but not OoT since OoT doesn't use real time travel.

[SOAP]

Unless, Link's time cycling in Termina lasted seven years or more. So then it'll be like a boy touches the mastersword. Dissapears. Reappears to get some items. Dissappears again. Reappears tto get some more stuff. Dissappears. Reappears gain but stays in Hyrule and becomes awfully close to Zelda. Goes on a personal quest to find a lost friend. Dissappears. Suddenly reappears as an adult seven years later. Defeats an evil that had taken over Hyrule dissappears. Comes back as a child, only to find that Ganon had returned and it was too late to do anything. That's how it would seem to a Hyrulean outsider who experiences time as a linear flow of events. Of course, I don't believe that Link's time cycling would've taken that long. if Hyrule and Termina were really parallel then only three days would've past.

[Husse]

What Zythe says is true. Link's body doesn't travel time, his consciousness does. Thus, that don't work. There are no copies of Link. One Link. Singular. And who says the place is flooded when Link comes back? It may have been beyond saving, or Link may just have been, "seperated from the elements that made him a hero." We're assuming, if he hasn't died before it's flooded, that he lived on the mountaintops, spared, with all the other peoples, and either reproduced or died off without lineage.

Either way, there are no copies of Link, and even though the legend was passed down, I find it hard to believe that Link could've TOLD people and they'd believe him. THAT, plus ONE MORE THING...

He became popular for saving Hyrule from Ganon when he was a boy! That ALSO means that the Adult thing can't work. We're not sure how, it may be TSA's theory, or it may be that he and Zelda conspired to lock him up differently the second time around, but he locked Ganon up as a KID the second time around.

FINALLY, how can you be sure that the statue in WW is of an adult? It looks like a big stone statue of a glorified, tall, boy to me! Look at the eyes. Nowhere in the game does it say that the savior/hero WAS an adult. Thus, my friends, single timeline prevaileth.

[FDL]

You're right, the statue also doesn't have Gauntlets or earrings on, features of Adult Link that always seemed noticeable to me.

[Husse]

Yes, I know, but other normal people? Nope. Zelda he told, and Zelda passed it down, though. That makes sense.

[MikePetersSucks]

Hylians have proved to be pretty stupid. And if you've got a fairy, kokiri origins (as far as they know) Sages, the Royal Family, and a magic ocarina to back up your story, I'D believe you.

[Husse]

Nevertheless, that' just not real plausible. The people may believe you, may even think you're cool, but celebrate and swarm you? No. Something happened.

Though I have to agree, Zelda games are pretty satirical with their people, Hylians are very stupid.

[Vazor]

Maybe somehow the sages remembered. After all, Zelda was able to use her sage powers to send Link back in time, so why wouldn't the magic of the sages keep the memory alive in their minds? Just an idea.....

[Husse]

THAT'S what I've always thought! But everyone else told me that idea was bogus, so I dropped it, din't have any evidence.

It's nice someone agrees with me.

Then the Sages passed down the tale to their races, as Zelda did in the Royal Family!

Well, I like to think that, but there's no evidence.

[Vazor]

There's not much evidence for a lot of the stuff we take for granted in the Zelda universes. When it comes down to it, though, the sages are given power by the gods, so who's to say what they can't do? I mean, if they were powerful enough to seal a malevolent evil in another universe, then you'd think remembering the events of that time would be a peice of cake.

[FDL]

Also, the Sages using their power so everyone remembers Link makes sense because in the backstory of TWW it says the boy was known as the Hero of Time because he traveled in time but in the "Adult timeline" that multiple timeline theorists speak of it wouldn't seem like Link was traveling through time at all. In fact, Link is called the Hero of Time because HE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH THROUGH TIME! If he could just go forward through time he wouldn't be considered a time traveler, he'd be considered a late sleeper.

[SOAP]

^ Yeah. I've been meaning to say something like that for a while now. the oppurtunity just never arised for me I guess.

[Husse]

Also, the Sages using their power so everyone remembers Link makes sense

Woah now! I didn't say they made everyone remember! I think that's WAY too much fanfiction. I said that the SAGES had time-transcendent memories, and knew what happened in the timeline to be, and passed that down, not used their power to make everyone think that this little boy had done something incredible in an alternate timeline. No...that's a little extreme.

[Tri-Enforcer]

The only who could remember that future is the person who experiences it and goes back into the past--that being Link. Sages automatically making people remember or the sages memories transcending time is all fanfic, and sounds ridicilous. It's bad enough that the Zelda story is horrible--that would make it even worse--whether it's true or not or even if it made sense.