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Roman Catholics for Death?

Started by arunma , Sep 17 2004 08:44 AM

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#61 Alakhriveion

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 12:17 PM

AHH! Dammit!

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 12:24 PM

Wow. Talk about off topic...

And its been the three mods doing it. :lol:

#63 Alakhriveion

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 12:29 PM

Hmm. The only way to end it is for one of us to wise up and close it... or for a lesser member to get an admin involved.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 12:30 PM

Or for one of us to say GET BACK ON TOPIC. You guys are right, how about no more transvestite talk. We're talking about Roman Catholics for Death.

So...uh, yeah. Catholics should't support the death penalty.

#65 Alakhriveion

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 12:32 PM

Totally.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 12:33 PM

I think the topic died a page ago...

When peoples posts got shorter and shorter and they trailed off...

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 05:38 PM

Isn't that too much spam for being mods... :whistle: ?

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:00 PM

Well actually I didnt know catholics were pro death penalty o.o

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:10 PM

Actually, the Catholic Church isn't totally against the death penalty - she does allow for it in certain circumstances.

I think there is a bit of leeway on the death penalty issue, although on the abortion issue, the Church is most certainly clear, and her teaching on abortion dates back to the first century (see the Didache, 2, 2: SCh 248,148, which says, "You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.").

The Church on the Death Penalty:

Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

- Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph no. 2267

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Bulmaro@Sep 19 2004, 06:38 PM
Isn't that too much spam for being mods... :whistle: ?

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Bulmaro, you are so banned. I smite you with my power. :P

#71 Alakhriveion

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:40 PM

Psssh, Granite, you have no power.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Alakhriveion@Sep 19 2004, 07:40 PM
Psssh, Granite, you have no power.

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Don't I?!?

Muahahahaha....


*closes threads everywhere*

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:44 PM

Bulmaro, you are so banned. I smite you with my power.


These are contro mods. They're special.

#74 arunma

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 07:29 PM

Actually, we do have power to ban people from Contro.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 07:31 PM

Yep. That ability is right at your fingertips.


I just have to reach over and tap an admin (with my fingertips, where the ability lies), and then they'll do it.

#76 Alakhriveion

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 07:37 PM

I know that. But we can't just hit the "Ban" button like they can.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:19 PM

I personally am not Catholic, but one of my bosses was Catholic, and he supported the Death Penalty.

His reasoning was that the Pope and Vatican were just wrong.

Catholics (though they don't like to say it) change their views on things over time. Depends on the Pope, and it depends on popular opinion of the church. So a lot of Catholics choose to have their own beliefs about their own spirituality, and they don't let it be totally controlled by the Vatican.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:23 PM

That's why I'm not a Catholic, even though I like Catholics. If your religion says that the Catholic Church is always right, you should actually believe that. Or you should choose another church.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:24 PM

Yeah I control my own faith. So there.

And I don't like this thread. It seems to be an excuse to rip on Catholics. Non-Catholics just believe what they read/hear and [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of it isnt true. :ph34r:

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:26 PM

Aw Colt, you know I'm cool with Catholics. All I'm saying is that everyone should obey the central beliefs of their denomination.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:27 PM

Catholics aren't just mindless zombies following the whims of the Pope. Most of them aren't.

There's your answer to why they're inconsistent with the Catholic Church at large.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:29 PM

I guess it pays to be part of a denomination that allows free thought, huh? That said, I still have to respect the Catholic Church for holding on to all their traditions. Including the anti-death penalty stance.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:29 PM

Yeah well, actually Catholics were first..because John was a pope even though it wasn't called a pope and the prodestants branched off from the Catholics...so we pwn you, Arunma! XD

And I refuse to be a mindless zombie who believes in everything the church says. Sorry but i'm more independant than that. >_<;

Not to mention the many types of prodestants and the fact that Catholics are the largest denomination...

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Coltxdoom@Sep 19 2004, 08:29 PM
Yeah well, actually Catholics were first..because John was a pope even though it wasn't called a pope and the prodestants branched off from the Catholics...so we pwn you, Arunma! XD

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Actually, Catholics believe that Peter was the first Pope. John was just an apostle. In any case, you can't pwn me, because i don't believe in a pope. Ha! :P

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:34 PM

Originally posted by arunma@Sep 19 2004, 07:31 PM
Actually, Catholics believe that Peter was the first Pope.  John was just an apostle.  In any case, you can't pwn me, because i don't believe in a pope.  Ha!  :P

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Yes Yes..peter..well what else would Peter be if he baptised people, and that Catholism was the first religon..in the new testament?

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Coltxdoom@Sep 19 2004, 09:29 PM
Yeah well, actually Catholics were first..because John was a pope even though it wasn't called a pope and the prodestants branched off from the Catholics...so we pwn you, Arunma! XD

And I refuse to be a mindless zombie who believes in everything the church says. Sorry but i'm more independant than that. >_<;

Not to mention the many types of prodestants and the fact that Catholics are the largest denomination...

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I said Catholics weren't mindless zombies... not all of them at least.

But I wouldn't encourage you to start a topic about the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism, unless you're willing to face the storm you'd unleash...

And... it's Peter... Peter is claimed by Catholics to have been the first Pope...

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:37 PM

Well if you want to get technical, the New Testament doesn't mention the word "catholic." And "catholic" (with a small c) simply means "universal." Protestants also believe in one catholic church; we just don't think it has to be based in Rome (or anywhere else).

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:38 PM

Protestantsim is also a basic movement to get back closer to the first century church than what the Roman Catholic Church had become (cause let's face it... Catholics do a lot of stuff that the first century church didn't)

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:42 PM

Yes, and how can you have a Pope if the Roman Catholic Church didn't technically exist until Constantine?

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:49 PM

True. Catholics point to an "unbroken chain of popes." On the other hand, many believe that Constantine was the first pope.
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