heh, sorry. To clear things up a little, I believe that Link was sent back in time to a point before he pulled the Master Sword, thus Ganon was never able to enter the Sacred Realm. Also, I know that Ganon knew that way in, but I assume that he had to find a different route, that one was obviously not available to him, namely because Link took the key to the whole thing with him when he left and subsequently found himself in Termina (the Ocarina of Time is needed to open it up, so even if Ganon got all three stones somehow they would do him no good). Again, sorry if it wasn't clear.
Here's a revised version that should clear up how I feel. Ganon did know a way into the Sacred Realm, however, because of circumstances out of his control he was unable to enter it, because of this he had limited choices here, one would be to find another dupe who would open a portal for him, another would be to continue studying and find an alternate route, the final one would be to open a rift somehow through chance. Anyway, I wasn't saying Ganon didn't know any ways to get in, but that he couldn't get in the way he knew he could.
On a different note, I'm glad I can continue to hear your point of view and further have the single timeline explained, maybe someday it'll even make sense to me. I'm sure that both are possible, I just choose the route that best explains to myself how it works. And as far as Minish Cap goes, I don't have it yet, but with any luck I'll have it by tomorrow, I'll see if I can't finish up a full timeline by the time I beat it.
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One has to wonder though, at the end of OoT, did Link put the Master Sword back into the pedastal when he was sent back? Or was that done by Zelda? I can't remember if that was shown or not.
If he did, then we need to see how it would have appeared when he initially went into the Sacred Realm, if we had've been a bystander at the time. We would have seen him take the Master Sword out of it's pedastal and Ganon follow him into the Sacred Realm. At this time, both would disappear, and if the storyline is true, then a split second later, Link would have to come back and put the Master Sword back, without Ganon being present. This brings up some interesting questions...
1) If Link was brought back BEFORE he ever pulled the Master Sword, wouldn't there be TWO of them?
2) If Link didn't come back before he pulled the Master Sword, but a split second AFTER, without Ganon, then the timeline couldn't continue with Ganon going forward with his attack on Hyrule, as some split-timeliners have suggested. Question now is, what happened to him?
*Personal note: I think Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm as stated in the game, but in relation to BOTH Adult and Child Link, and Link was returned just after he put the MS into the pedastal, resynching the timeline, and allowing him to live out his missed childhood.*
And one question has always bothered me:
3) If Link's memory was erased of everything after he met Zelda for the first time, then how does he explain having all these newfound items on him? Because at the end of OoT, you see Link looking at Zelda for the 2nd time, but it's as if they haven't seen each other before, suggesting that it hasn't happened yet...
Just a few ramblings that I've been pondering...
If he did, then we need to see how it would have appeared when he initially went into the Sacred Realm, if we had've been a bystander at the time. We would have seen him take the Master Sword out of it's pedastal and Ganon follow him into the Sacred Realm. At this time, both would disappear, and if the storyline is true, then a split second later, Link would have to come back and put the Master Sword back, without Ganon being present. This brings up some interesting questions...
1) If Link was brought back BEFORE he ever pulled the Master Sword, wouldn't there be TWO of them?
2) If Link didn't come back before he pulled the Master Sword, but a split second AFTER, without Ganon, then the timeline couldn't continue with Ganon going forward with his attack on Hyrule, as some split-timeliners have suggested. Question now is, what happened to him?
*Personal note: I think Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm as stated in the game, but in relation to BOTH Adult and Child Link, and Link was returned just after he put the MS into the pedastal, resynching the timeline, and allowing him to live out his missed childhood.*
And one question has always bothered me:
3) If Link's memory was erased of everything after he met Zelda for the first time, then how does he explain having all these newfound items on him? Because at the end of OoT, you see Link looking at Zelda for the 2nd time, but it's as if they haven't seen each other before, suggesting that it hasn't happened yet...
Just a few ramblings that I've been pondering...
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At the end of OoT we see the blue aura come down in the Temple of Time while Link and Navi surface up with the Master Sword in the pedestal of time. Link even has the Hylian Shield still on his back, so it is no wonder why he still has a Hylian Shield when he travels to Termina. Navi goes out flies out of a window in the Temple of Time, and we see Link leaving the Temple. The Door of Time closes (we don't see this part, but it is something that Adult Zelda said would happen) and Link is not set to resume his childhood.
In answer to your third question Darunia, I have always believed that Link knew Zelda at the end of the OoT. Reason being is why would Link go and visit someone he doesn't even know or has never even heard of? Some might say that Zelda had a shocked look on her face as she put her hand over her mouth, suggesting that she may have never knew him. Still though it seems evident in Majora's Mask that she did know him, and told him to remember the Song of Time. As for the shocked look on her face I would say it would be because adult Zelda felt so bad about taking Link's childhood away that she figured the first thing he would do would be to go back to the forest. But did Link go back to the forest? It seems like he didn't, as he instead went to Zelda, and I don't think she could believe that Link would come to visit her first, before going back to the forest where he belonged. This is the reason as to why I think she may have been a bit overwhelmed when seeing Link, for in her eyes she had ruined the poor boy's childhood, but to Link, she was a great and unforgettable friend. A person that was so awe-inspiring and kind that he just had to visit her just one more time before he returned home, and if someone had thought this much about you, I say that you too would be a bit overwhelmed and joyed to know how much they cared.
As for your first question Darunia, well it is questions like that, that makes me want to have a time-traveling game that spawns centuries or eons or something like that much like OoA, than rather in the same timeline that they live in like OoT:lmao:.
I am not going to answer question number two either because I don't believe in the split-timeline, and I have no answer for it anyways, but maybe a person who believes in the split-timeline can explain that one.
Now to BlackHawkA100. Well we really don't know if Link kept the Spiritual Stones, left them at the Temple of Time, or gave them back to their original owners. Still a point I never thought of and this would help you out as well, is Ganondorf couldn't get past the Door of Time anyways because even with these stones he would still need the Ocarina of Time, and Link took that with him to Termina, so he (Ganondorf that is) would have to find an alternate route.
In answer to your third question Darunia, I have always believed that Link knew Zelda at the end of the OoT. Reason being is why would Link go and visit someone he doesn't even know or has never even heard of? Some might say that Zelda had a shocked look on her face as she put her hand over her mouth, suggesting that she may have never knew him. Still though it seems evident in Majora's Mask that she did know him, and told him to remember the Song of Time. As for the shocked look on her face I would say it would be because adult Zelda felt so bad about taking Link's childhood away that she figured the first thing he would do would be to go back to the forest. But did Link go back to the forest? It seems like he didn't, as he instead went to Zelda, and I don't think she could believe that Link would come to visit her first, before going back to the forest where he belonged. This is the reason as to why I think she may have been a bit overwhelmed when seeing Link, for in her eyes she had ruined the poor boy's childhood, but to Link, she was a great and unforgettable friend. A person that was so awe-inspiring and kind that he just had to visit her just one more time before he returned home, and if someone had thought this much about you, I say that you too would be a bit overwhelmed and joyed to know how much they cared.
As for your first question Darunia, well it is questions like that, that makes me want to have a time-traveling game that spawns centuries or eons or something like that much like OoA, than rather in the same timeline that they live in like OoT:lmao:.
I am not going to answer question number two either because I don't believe in the split-timeline, and I have no answer for it anyways, but maybe a person who believes in the split-timeline can explain that one.
Now to BlackHawkA100. Well we really don't know if Link kept the Spiritual Stones, left them at the Temple of Time, or gave them back to their original owners. Still a point I never thought of and this would help you out as well, is Ganondorf couldn't get past the Door of Time anyways because even with these stones he would still need the Ocarina of Time, and Link took that with him to Termina, so he (Ganondorf that is) would have to find an alternate route.
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I think the triforce of courage resonating on the back of Link's hand during the OoT ending means that he was moved back to a point after Ganondorf had entered the sacred realm, otherwise he shouldn't have the triforce piece. The fact that it was glowing/resonating on the back of his hand makes me think that zelda would still have the ToW.
To answer Darunia's question #2. I think I've found the answer in MM. during the end sequence all of the side-quests that you have completed bear fruits, regardless of the fact that some of them are mutually exclusive. Some of them, at least, cannot have happened in the same three day period as some others, but they are all shown to have happened.
Similarly, Ganondorf's attack in the future ought to be negated by the sealing of the door of time, but link has already experienced that future.
This leads me to believe that time travel involving the OoT(IIRC it was the means by which Zelda sent link back in time) is governed by some strange intelligence, possibly the goddess of time spoken of in MM, that converges the various possibilities into a single timeline. (which would fit with WW's evidence for a single timeline, and explain how it can refer to two mutually exclusive events as part of a single history)
To answer Darunia's question #2. I think I've found the answer in MM. during the end sequence all of the side-quests that you have completed bear fruits, regardless of the fact that some of them are mutually exclusive. Some of them, at least, cannot have happened in the same three day period as some others, but they are all shown to have happened.
Similarly, Ganondorf's attack in the future ought to be negated by the sealing of the door of time, but link has already experienced that future.
This leads me to believe that time travel involving the OoT(IIRC it was the means by which Zelda sent link back in time) is governed by some strange intelligence, possibly the goddess of time spoken of in MM, that converges the various possibilities into a single timeline. (which would fit with WW's evidence for a single timeline, and explain how it can refer to two mutually exclusive events as part of a single history)
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Now to BlackHawkA100. Well we really don't know if Link kept the Spiritual Stones, left them at the Temple of Time, or gave them back to their original owners. Still a point I never thought of and this would help you out as well, is Ganondorf couldn't get past the Door of Time anyways because even with these stones he would still need the Ocarina of Time, and Link took that with him to Termina, so he (Ganondorf that is) would have to find an alternate route.
...I thought I just said that?
As for Darunia, here's my answers as best as I can figure.
1-If you believe that all the time traveling was done in the same fashion, then no, it's actually impossible for there to be two Links if it's just him traveling back and forth. Kind of think of it as Time simply fast forwarding and rewinding, though he could only go back and forth to the two set times. The final time he could have been sent anywhere, Zelda no doubt had further mastery of the magic of time, and could send him back wherever. Personally I think he was sent to a time before most of the events happened.
2- Don't know, don't care, I don't think that Ganon got stuck in the sacred realm when Link came back, I mean, how stupid is that? Though I've already posted my thoughts on the "Ganon got locked out of Hyrule without a key at the end of OoT" theory elsewhere. That's probably not exactly what you're talking about, but if you want a clearer answer you need a clearer question, simplify a little.
3- um...what makes you think that he forgot everything? I mean, he experienced it all, can't really wipe his memory it can you? That would be just about as bad as just leaving him there in the future.
As for everything about the ending of OoT, obviously I need to look at that again, I don't remember a lot of how it goes.
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...I thought I just said that?
As for Darunia, here's my answers as best as I can figure.
1-If you believe that all the time traveling was done in the same fashion, then no, it's actually impossible for there to be two Links if it's just him traveling back and forth. Kind of think of it as Time simply fast forwarding and rewinding, though he could only go back and forth to the two set times. The final time he could have been sent anywhere, Zelda no doubt had further mastery of the magic of time, and could send him back wherever. Personally I think he was sent to a time before most of the events happened.
2- Don't know, don't care, I don't think that Ganon got stuck in the sacred realm when Link came back, I mean, how stupid is that? Though I've already posted my thoughts on the "Ganon got locked out of Hyrule without a key at the end of OoT" theory elsewhere. That's probably not exactly what you're talking about, but if you want a clearer answer you need a clearer question, simplify a little.
3- um...what makes you think that he forgot everything? I mean, he experienced it all, can't really wipe his memory it can you? That would be just about as bad as just leaving him there in the future.
As for everything about the ending of OoT, obviously I need to look at that again, I don't remember a lot of how it goes.
Blackhawk:
Ganon got sealed into the Sacred Realm at the end of OoT, no denying that. The thing is, according to the continuity of the game, which I believe to be a valid canonical source, Link is sent back in time, WITHOUT Ganon, because he was sealed.
Based on that assumption, I'm asking what happened to Ganon? Did he just simply get stuck in the Sacred Realm? Or did something else happen to him? Because whatever happened to him can affect the storyline's consistency.
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Sorry BlackHawkA100 for not noticing that you stated the Ocarina of Time in why Ganondorf couldn't get in the Sacred Realm that way. Also I will come up with my timeline as soon as I finish the Minish Cap and will await on how your's looks as well.
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No problem Darkseid, I think I stated it in a weird way, when I reread it I figured there was no wonder that you missed it, yeesh I confuse myself.
As for Darunia, because I'm a split timeline kind of guy I believe that yes, Ganon was sealed at the end of OoT, but only in the adult time period, in the child time period I believe that he is still a threat to Hyrule, though held at bay for the moment because of his inability to actually come up with the Tri-Force. If you really really feel like seeing how I feel about everything, read this whole conversation, or at least my own last couple of posts.
As for Darunia, because I'm a split timeline kind of guy I believe that yes, Ganon was sealed at the end of OoT, but only in the adult time period, in the child time period I believe that he is still a threat to Hyrule, though held at bay for the moment because of his inability to actually come up with the Tri-Force. If you really really feel like seeing how I feel about everything, read this whole conversation, or at least my own last couple of posts.
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Blackhawk:
Can you please explain to me how Ganon could possibly be any kind of threat if he's stuck in the future timeline in the Golden Land/Sacred Realm/Dark World/what have you....? I mean, how does he influence anything in the past if he's not there to do anything after Link comes back?
Can you please explain to me how Ganon could possibly be any kind of threat if he's stuck in the future timeline in the Golden Land/Sacred Realm/Dark World/what have you....? I mean, how does he influence anything in the past if he's not there to do anything after Link comes back?
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Well, Darunia. He was sealed in the FUTURE! the future does not alter the past. like that. >.>; so Ganondorf wasn't sealed in the Child timeline, so he's still a threat. it's pretty obvious O.o
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Thanks MPS, couldn't have said it better myself. And really, I'm honestly grateful that somebody else answered, I was a bit speechless when I saw that a message had been posted asking that. Actually, I think I'll still answer, it'll be repetative, but might as well right?
I actually had a nice run on sentence here, but then I decided that I can't really explain it without sounding rude, so we'll just stick with the basics, as stated above. The future does not affect the past. The fact that Ganon was sealed in the future let's us know that he wasn't sealed in the past. There are no facts telling us what he's up to in the past, but he's most likely still there causing trouble.
I actually had a nice run on sentence here, but then I decided that I can't really explain it without sounding rude, so we'll just stick with the basics, as stated above. The future does not affect the past. The fact that Ganon was sealed in the future let's us know that he wasn't sealed in the past. There are no facts telling us what he's up to in the past, but he's most likely still there causing trouble.
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And because he's still a threat, the WW Backstory happens.Well, Darunia. He was sealed in the FUTURE! the future does not alter the past. like that. >.>; so Ganondorf wasn't sealed in the Child timeline, so he's still a threat. it's pretty obvious O.o
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 06:54 PM
Its been a few months since I posted regularly in this section but those who remember me will know I'm a single-timeline enthusiast. I even put together a rather compelling argument against the possible existence of a multiple timeline but I would have to go back and read it since I've forgotten the details, but it may have been from the old LA so it could be lost (I'll just have to work it out again).
The most compelling argument I've heard for the existence of a split-timeline is this:
http://forums.legendsalliance.com/showthre...read.php?t=1062
I don't like multiple timelines because it suggests that Hyrule doesn't have a single destiny and destiny is a very important theme in the Zelda universe. I also have serious issues with various interpretations on the ending of OoT, mainly those which don't allow the story to end and require fanfics to justify them (although the interpretations I don't like are funnily enough usually ones for single timelines)
The most compelling argument I've heard for the existence of a split-timeline is this:
http://forums.legendsalliance.com/showthre...read.php?t=1062
I don't like multiple timelines because it suggests that Hyrule doesn't have a single destiny and destiny is a very important theme in the Zelda universe. I also have serious issues with various interpretations on the ending of OoT, mainly those which don't allow the story to end and require fanfics to justify them (although the interpretations I don't like are funnily enough usually ones for single timelines)
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And because he's still a threat, the WW Backstory happens.
Well...um, that's not quite the way I personally see it. The way I see it is this, because he's still a threat the ALttP backstory happens. Because he was sealed TWW backstory happens. Though that only works if you're willing to accept a split timeline.
Besides, in the past he was still a threat, but only as a man, not as a monster in possesion of the Triforce of Power, much different than TWW's backstory.
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All right, the way I see it is that there is only one timeline (unless you count OoT future world, I'll explain).
Link pulls out the master sword, which he is unable to weild. Ganondorf goes through the gate to the sacred realm. Ganondorf returns from the Sacred Realm and the gate closes behind him, and then Link wakes up in the future OoT. Link seals Ganon away, and goes back, putting the Master Sword back in its pedastal.
However, most of that last part never happened.
All that actually happened was: Link unlocks the Sacred Realm by pulling the Master Sword, Ganondorf goes through the gate, and Link reseals the gate a split-second after he opened it. Therefore, Ganondorf is stuck in the Sacred Realm and can not escape. The Triforce never splits because Link still has the ToC, suggesting that Zelda still has the ToW. When Ganondorf finds the Triforce, it's just Power. Link leaves Hyrule and goes to Termina, and the ToC shatters and spreads throughout the land, and he never returns (or he returns after the cataclysm, it really doesn't matter).
Now here's where it gets tricky: Link thinks that by sealing the gate, Ganon can't get through. So how does Ganon get through? A little item from LTTP: the magic mirror. Suppose it originated in the Sacred Realm, as the orignal tool the Picori used to open a gate between the worlds? Ganondorf could easily find that, and use THAT to get back to Hyrule with the ToP, hence the WW backstory.
"Once again crept from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs."-WW Backstory
The depths of the earth=the dark world.
dark designs=the plans he had for a while
A while later new Hyrule comes along, and after being revived in OoA/S, he leaves (I don't honestly think that after all Koume and Kotake's hard work he would die so easily), and is sealed in FSA, only to break the seal in LTTP (I think it makes sense that the Four Sword Seals you in the Sacred Realm, but that's a whole nother can of worms).
Link pulls out the master sword, which he is unable to weild. Ganondorf goes through the gate to the sacred realm. Ganondorf returns from the Sacred Realm and the gate closes behind him, and then Link wakes up in the future OoT. Link seals Ganon away, and goes back, putting the Master Sword back in its pedastal.
However, most of that last part never happened.
All that actually happened was: Link unlocks the Sacred Realm by pulling the Master Sword, Ganondorf goes through the gate, and Link reseals the gate a split-second after he opened it. Therefore, Ganondorf is stuck in the Sacred Realm and can not escape. The Triforce never splits because Link still has the ToC, suggesting that Zelda still has the ToW. When Ganondorf finds the Triforce, it's just Power. Link leaves Hyrule and goes to Termina, and the ToC shatters and spreads throughout the land, and he never returns (or he returns after the cataclysm, it really doesn't matter).
Now here's where it gets tricky: Link thinks that by sealing the gate, Ganon can't get through. So how does Ganon get through? A little item from LTTP: the magic mirror. Suppose it originated in the Sacred Realm, as the orignal tool the Picori used to open a gate between the worlds? Ganondorf could easily find that, and use THAT to get back to Hyrule with the ToP, hence the WW backstory.
"Once again crept from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs."-WW Backstory
The depths of the earth=the dark world.
dark designs=the plans he had for a while
A while later new Hyrule comes along, and after being revived in OoA/S, he leaves (I don't honestly think that after all Koume and Kotake's hard work he would die so easily), and is sealed in FSA, only to break the seal in LTTP (I think it makes sense that the Four Sword Seals you in the Sacred Realm, but that's a whole nother can of worms).
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Okay, let me ask you this. If Link reseals the gate a split second after he opens it how does Ganondorf even have time to get in there? He would still be standing there thanking Link when lo and behold, there's the kid, right back where he was standing. In fact, if he dissapeared for only that long he wouldn't have even flickered... Anyway, if you have any comments on what I've said feel free to reply, I look forward to it.
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 09:25 PM
I mean a split second after Ganondorf went into the Sacred Realm. Read my post.
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Link unlocks the Sacred Realm by pulling the Master Sword, Ganondorf goes through the gate, and Link reseals the gate a split-second after he opened it.
I did read it, and yes, it does say that Ganon goes through, but it also says that the gate closes a split second after it opens, how does that work? And why for that matter? More later, I'm off for now.
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 09:31 PM
Sorry, you know what I meant.
To answer your question about it closing behind Ganondorf, remember this: The Master Sword is the key to the Sacred Realm. Link pulls it out, he unlocks the door, and later, a split second after Ganondorf is through it, he puts the sword back in, locking the door. It's pretty straightforward.
To answer your question about it closing behind Ganondorf, remember this: The Master Sword is the key to the Sacred Realm. Link pulls it out, he unlocks the door, and later, a split second after Ganondorf is through it, he puts the sword back in, locking the door. It's pretty straightforward.
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Sorry, you know what I meant.
To answer your question about it closing behind Ganondorf, remember this: The Master Sword is the key to the Sacred Realm. Link pulls it out, he unlocks the door, and later, a split second after Ganondorf is through it, he puts the sword back in, locking the door. It's pretty straightforward.
Which then begs the question I just got done asking; if he's stuck in the Sacred Realm, how can he affect what goes on in Hyrule? How could Link come back to his childhood and be able to relive his past with any kind of freedom with Ganon out there causing such a huge problem?
To me, the explanations do not make any sense. I guess the main question here is: When did Zelda return Link to? Right BEFORE he pulled the MS, or just after? Using logic, it can't be just before because there would have been 2 Links and 2 MS's. Just after is the only logical choice, since it keeps the storyline from becoming all screwed up.
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 02:55 PM
I agree, he has to come back shortly AFTER he pulls out the sword.
About Ganondorf affecting Hyrule from the Sacred Realm, he simply broke the seal, similar to the way Vaati broke the seal on the Four Sword. Personally, I believe that Ganondorf's break from the Sacred Realm had something to do with the Magic Mirror, but that's just speculation.
And as for the Link question, why does Link have to stay in Hyrule? Couldn't he have just stayed in Termina, or traveled off to another land like Labrynna or Holodrum? Obviously, he didn't count on Ganon returning, so he felt he had no purpose to remain in Hyrule.
About Ganondorf affecting Hyrule from the Sacred Realm, he simply broke the seal, similar to the way Vaati broke the seal on the Four Sword. Personally, I believe that Ganondorf's break from the Sacred Realm had something to do with the Magic Mirror, but that's just speculation.
And as for the Link question, why does Link have to stay in Hyrule? Couldn't he have just stayed in Termina, or traveled off to another land like Labrynna or Holodrum? Obviously, he didn't count on Ganon returning, so he felt he had no purpose to remain in Hyrule.
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Okay to both of you here's what I think.
Vazor, I know what you're talking about, but I feel that you've come to premature conclusions. I've been thinking about this and what you said simply doesn't make sense. If Link were to return what in the world would mandate that he come back right after Ganon entered the Sacred Realm? I mean, convenient eh? Link comes back just in time to shut the door in Ganon's face and stick his tounge out while Ganon pounds on the door yelling "Hey! I forgot my key! Can somebody open up the door so I can spread chaos and destruction?... Hello?...Anybody?...Ah screw it..."
Anyway, to simplify, yes, the Master Sword is the Key to the Sacred Realm. Yet having Link show up and put the sword back into place as Ganon enters is pretty anticlimactic... not to mention unlikely.
By my theory Link would have been returned some time before he pulled the sword, also, before Ganon's raid of Hyrule Castle (it only makes sense since everything seems to be back to normal at the end, also, Princess Zelda is not in hiding when Link goes to see her.). It's an assumption, but I also believe that Ganon was later, unsuccessful in his raid on Hyrule Castle (different than the other timeline) and goes off to plot and do whatever else evil people do in their spare time. But that's probably all beside the point.
Darunia...well, I don't think I have much of an answer to your question, mainly because the main points of the question don't really exist by my theory. Mainly the fact that you seem to follow a single timeline...those things just confuse me. Also, I think you're thinking far to much in regard to time travel. Simplifying it the way I have makes it much easier to look at. Simply look at it as a fast forwarding and rewinding of time, Link can only travel back and forth to the future and past to the last time he pulled or replaced the Master Sword, respectively. For the final transportation I believe that Link was sent back further than before, easy to explain, just rewind it further (only Zelda seemed to be able to do that). He still remembers everything (because he experienced it) and there aren't any duplicates, much easier, right? As a bonus it makes sense without having to make too much up or go too far into the physics of the whole thing. Saves myself a headache anyway.
Finally, I agree that there's no rule saying Link was required to stay in Hyrule, though if Ganon is still rampaging across the countryside on his scary looking horse I don't think he would leave, he's just not that kind of person. The only thing I can see to make him leave is if he had to find something or somebody vital to his success, or which he felt was vital to it. Anyway, all for now, later kiddies.
Vazor, I know what you're talking about, but I feel that you've come to premature conclusions. I've been thinking about this and what you said simply doesn't make sense. If Link were to return what in the world would mandate that he come back right after Ganon entered the Sacred Realm? I mean, convenient eh? Link comes back just in time to shut the door in Ganon's face and stick his tounge out while Ganon pounds on the door yelling "Hey! I forgot my key! Can somebody open up the door so I can spread chaos and destruction?... Hello?...Anybody?...Ah screw it..."
Anyway, to simplify, yes, the Master Sword is the Key to the Sacred Realm. Yet having Link show up and put the sword back into place as Ganon enters is pretty anticlimactic... not to mention unlikely.
By my theory Link would have been returned some time before he pulled the sword, also, before Ganon's raid of Hyrule Castle (it only makes sense since everything seems to be back to normal at the end, also, Princess Zelda is not in hiding when Link goes to see her.). It's an assumption, but I also believe that Ganon was later, unsuccessful in his raid on Hyrule Castle (different than the other timeline) and goes off to plot and do whatever else evil people do in their spare time. But that's probably all beside the point.
Darunia...well, I don't think I have much of an answer to your question, mainly because the main points of the question don't really exist by my theory. Mainly the fact that you seem to follow a single timeline...those things just confuse me. Also, I think you're thinking far to much in regard to time travel. Simplifying it the way I have makes it much easier to look at. Simply look at it as a fast forwarding and rewinding of time, Link can only travel back and forth to the future and past to the last time he pulled or replaced the Master Sword, respectively. For the final transportation I believe that Link was sent back further than before, easy to explain, just rewind it further (only Zelda seemed to be able to do that). He still remembers everything (because he experienced it) and there aren't any duplicates, much easier, right? As a bonus it makes sense without having to make too much up or go too far into the physics of the whole thing. Saves myself a headache anyway.
Finally, I agree that there's no rule saying Link was required to stay in Hyrule, though if Ganon is still rampaging across the countryside on his scary looking horse I don't think he would leave, he's just not that kind of person. The only thing I can see to make him leave is if he had to find something or somebody vital to his success, or which he felt was vital to it. Anyway, all for now, later kiddies.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 01:20 AM
Blackhawk:
If what you're saying is true, then what was the point in Link's going forward in time anyway? What exactly did he prevent, if when he comes back to the past Ganon is still in Hyrule, and still going about his plans on gaining the triforce? Sounds to me like OoT would be kinda pointless then.
And as for the "fast-forwarding and rewinding of time", that I think would fit better into a single-timeline than into a multi-timeline. Think about it, you rewind a tape to get to a point that you want, then you fast forward back to another desired place. Has there been any new material produced? No; just lots of time displacement.
I guess my biggest problem with this theory is trying to justify the point to OoT if nothing is accomplished as a result of Link's going forward in time.
If what you're saying is true, then what was the point in Link's going forward in time anyway? What exactly did he prevent, if when he comes back to the past Ganon is still in Hyrule, and still going about his plans on gaining the triforce? Sounds to me like OoT would be kinda pointless then.
And as for the "fast-forwarding and rewinding of time", that I think would fit better into a single-timeline than into a multi-timeline. Think about it, you rewind a tape to get to a point that you want, then you fast forward back to another desired place. Has there been any new material produced? No; just lots of time displacement.
I guess my biggest problem with this theory is trying to justify the point to OoT if nothing is accomplished as a result of Link's going forward in time.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 01:38 AM
As far as justifying OoT, it's justified itself by way of TWW. I don't believe that OoT never happened, simply that it's events took place in a way which was never meant to happen, thus, when Link was sent back to relive his childhood it split off from the set path. Link did save Hyrule from Ganon, he did undo all the evil, though the timeline which he was sent back to would unfortunatly not reap the benefits. As far as Ganondorf still being around, well, that just sets things up perfectly for ALttP doesn't it?
As for the whole time thing, don't take the whole rewinding and fast forwarding thing too literally, this is time we're talking about, not a tape. Knowing what might have happened in the future, Link is able to avert time itself, what would have happened to Hyrule is changed, and can't follow the same route as before. Besides, after that last time there is no more time travel in the game, things can play out the way they should have.
Questions? Comments? Concerns? ...do I even have to ask?
As for the whole time thing, don't take the whole rewinding and fast forwarding thing too literally, this is time we're talking about, not a tape. Knowing what might have happened in the future, Link is able to avert time itself, what would have happened to Hyrule is changed, and can't follow the same route as before. Besides, after that last time there is no more time travel in the game, things can play out the way they should have.
Questions? Comments? Concerns? ...do I even have to ask?
