What type of timeline do the majority of you believe in?
Single Timeline or Multiple Timeline or Double Time line?
I need to know this.....just for knowing purposes
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 06:29 PM
Single Timeline.
Now, what is this double timeline you speak of? Just two totally unnected timelines?
Now, what is this double timeline you speak of? Just two totally unnected timelines?
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 07:41 PM
Single timeline for me. As for the split timeline well I think that is just....hmm how can I put this nicely...I just don't like it.
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 08:57 PM
Single timeline.
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 09:09 PM
Aye what I've seen in past polls and theory topics, most seem to lean towards Single Timeline.
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 09:41 PM
I've been converted to a single timeline.... (los) it gives it more of a challenge to understand....
man i haven't posted at LA for a while... lol
man i haven't posted at LA for a while... lol
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 09:44 PM
I've been wanting to participate in the Zelda sections, but I have to freaking clue as to what's going on. with all the lingo that's been developed, it's hard to join unless you've been here since the beginning.
yeah. I'm leaving now. I tried.
yeah. I'm leaving now. I tried.
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Single timeline for me.
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Posted 13 December 2004 - 12:24 PM
Dang...I feel lonely. Personally I believe in a Split Timeline, though looking at all the posts in here, it looks like people lean towards a Single.
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Hey, BlackHawk you're not alone--the cavalry has arrived!
At heart I'm a split timeline enthusiast. By the same token I don't have a one-tracked mind, so I do take into consideration the single timeline and am currently developing one. If I were to choose right now, then it would be a split timeline. (Actually, spilt timeline is harder to justify, than single, but that's just me.)
At heart I'm a split timeline enthusiast. By the same token I don't have a one-tracked mind, so I do take into consideration the single timeline and am currently developing one. If I were to choose right now, then it would be a split timeline. (Actually, spilt timeline is harder to justify, than single, but that's just me.)
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Posted 13 December 2004 - 03:49 PM
We must decapitate the multi-timeline infidels! 
I like single because it makes sense and it's not so radical. A multi-timeline theory seems too sci-fi to me. <_<
I like single because it makes sense and it's not so radical. A multi-timeline theory seems too sci-fi to me. <_<
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Posted 13 December 2004 - 04:51 PM
If you have a problem with "sci-fi" in Zelda...then you have a problem with OOT or any other Zelda game that involves time travel.
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Posted 13 December 2004 - 06:08 PM
split timeline. majora's mask was definitely sci-fi.
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Posted 13 December 2004 - 07:01 PM
Dual-timeline, but only MM takes place in the second one.
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Posted 14 December 2004 - 12:09 AM
I've been wanting to participate in the Zelda sections, but I have to freaking clue as to what's going on. with all the lingo that's been developed, it's hard to join unless you've been here since the beginning.
yeah. I'm leaving now. I tried.
Oh don't be like that. I thought the same thing when back when OoT was still pretty new. Everyone was using words like IW, MLT, SLT, and don't get me started on the different Shippers... XP Those were mad times, heh...
But then again you said you left so this reply was pretty pointless.
I don't know were I stand on the Timeline debate. From the begining I accepted it as truth when I first heard the famous quote from the interview that first gave birth to the whole Mutiple Timeline Theory (or Dual Timeline as it sems to be called now, probably for simplicities sake). Then I actually played TWW and saw all the slight MM references and was like "Wait a tick! That can't be right." Then a certian group of right-winged cel-hating SLTers started using the Multiple Timeline Theory as a tool to explain how the Link in TWW didn't count since all events in TWW were based a whole "what-if" reality that was erased when Zelda sent Link back in time for the final time. So it was Single Timeline or bust for me from then on. Of course it's not used as that anymore but to me it just have TWW excluded from the rest of the series. Especially since it was a big Ganon+Triforce+Hyrule game which are all very crucial in developing an overall timeline in Zelda. But of course including TWW in with ALttP and LoZ was no peice of cake either! So I just embraced the Time Loop Theory, a much older and less popular theory that explains how the dark future of ooT and the alternate future Link was sent to existed in the same timeline. Of course like an other theory, good or bad, it had it's holes and was riddled with speculations. I guess whichever way you go you ahve to pull [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of it out of your ass since apparently Nintendo isn't lifting a damn finger to help! Whatever flips your poodle-skirt I guess...:s:
HOWEVER! My reasons against the MTT isn't because it's to sci-fi. Anyone who thinks that sci-fi and Zelda don't mix obviously don't know the real definition of the word "science fiction." It's not all aliens and time machines, I'll tell you that much!
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Posted 14 December 2004 - 05:55 AM
Split Timeline for me.
My only problems with it were the MM references in WW. They could be explained through my theory that the creation a new timeline in Hyrule doesn't affect Termina, which would still have a single timeline, but I didn't think Nintendo would put so much thought into it.
But, after MC, which has Oracles references even though MC is stated to be the first Zelda, happening before Oracles, I won't give much timeline importance to the MM references in WW, and I'll just explain those MM references with my theory.
My only problems with it were the MM references in WW. They could be explained through my theory that the creation a new timeline in Hyrule doesn't affect Termina, which would still have a single timeline, but I didn't think Nintendo would put so much thought into it.
But, after MC, which has Oracles references even though MC is stated to be the first Zelda, happening before Oracles, I won't give much timeline importance to the MM references in WW, and I'll just explain those MM references with my theory.
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Posted 14 December 2004 - 11:48 AM
even though MC is stated to be the first Zelda
When, who, where?
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Posted 14 December 2004 - 02:53 PM
When, who, where?
At the end of the game. It says that that was Link's first adventure.
Considering that that was the first Link to wear a green cap, and every other known Link wears it, that means Minish Cap is the first Zelda.
Ok, so, it wasn't really a statement. But the amount of evidence for it being the first Zelda outweight by a lot the few Oracles references.
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Posted 14 December 2004 - 08:59 PM
Wow, los, not to be prickish, but where have ya been man?
MC was all about how Link got his green cap and tunic, or so that's what I've been told by the Europeans that have played it. Can't wait to play it here in a month.
MC was all about how Link got his green cap and tunic, or so that's what I've been told by the Europeans that have played it. Can't wait to play it here in a month.
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Posted 14 December 2004 - 10:14 PM
Single Timeline. OoT's "Alternate Future" never happened. OoT-MM-WW-ALttP-LA-LoZ-AoL...Is that right? Oh...I might have mixed up two there.
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Your forgetting some games there. Unless you intentionally did that, since the FS games and gameboys could be anywhere.
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I know this is just a topic of just whether people prefer the single, multiple, or double timeline, but just for kicks I want reasons from everybody as to why they support a multiple or double timeline. Also for those that do support the multiple or double timeline I want you to use every accountable reason as to why you support it. Don't hold back nothing, because I will be back as the counterstrike to the single timeline. Now I am not trying to start an argument, but I am trying to start a debate, that is why I am wanting the supporters of the multiple and double timeline theorists to throw everything they got at me.
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Let's see...
My reasons to believe in a split timeline. First off, when Link was sent back in time to "live his life" everything changes. Ganon couldn't get into the Sacred Realm by the same means, he would have to find another, we know he's still around, but he is no longer in possession of the Triforce of Power. We do know that he will somehow get into the Sacred Realm, I explain this with AlttP's backstory, I figure that's how it happened the second time through. Of course, you could say that it would happen the same way, considering the whole "destiny" thing. The same sages and such would be around in that case, but in ALttP the sages were presumably chosen by the King, not awoken by Link. Of course, you could argue that the true events were forgotten, and with the absence of the Zora, Goron, Shiekah, and Kokiri, the true nature of the sages was forgone for purely human male sages. But when was the last time that the backstory of a game outright lied to you or was simply "wrong".
It also can't be argued that the Adult Link events never happened, and were simply told as legends of the Hyrulian Royal Family. When something happens, logically, it can't be erased. These people exist, they live, the world exists, and yet Link goes back in time, and changes it all simply by his inaction and absence. These people would have to stop existing in order to make up for this, their life never happened, what a waste. Now, there's probably something scientific to explain this, but I've never heard of it. When Link went back for the final time, and everything supposedly went back to normal a new world had to be created in order to make up for it. It was sealed off from the original Hyrule and became an entity of it's own. I don't know how else to explain it.
In TWW, the Link that we see is stressed as not being related at all to the Hero of Time. This makes complete sense to me in regards to the Split Timeline, it makes sense because the Hero of Time no longer existed in that world, and therefore, couldn't have any descendents. In other words, in this world, a new hero had to be born.
hmm, I'm sure I have more to say, but I'm too tired to think of it at the moment. Maybe later.
My reasons to believe in a split timeline. First off, when Link was sent back in time to "live his life" everything changes. Ganon couldn't get into the Sacred Realm by the same means, he would have to find another, we know he's still around, but he is no longer in possession of the Triforce of Power. We do know that he will somehow get into the Sacred Realm, I explain this with AlttP's backstory, I figure that's how it happened the second time through. Of course, you could say that it would happen the same way, considering the whole "destiny" thing. The same sages and such would be around in that case, but in ALttP the sages were presumably chosen by the King, not awoken by Link. Of course, you could argue that the true events were forgotten, and with the absence of the Zora, Goron, Shiekah, and Kokiri, the true nature of the sages was forgone for purely human male sages. But when was the last time that the backstory of a game outright lied to you or was simply "wrong".
It also can't be argued that the Adult Link events never happened, and were simply told as legends of the Hyrulian Royal Family. When something happens, logically, it can't be erased. These people exist, they live, the world exists, and yet Link goes back in time, and changes it all simply by his inaction and absence. These people would have to stop existing in order to make up for this, their life never happened, what a waste. Now, there's probably something scientific to explain this, but I've never heard of it. When Link went back for the final time, and everything supposedly went back to normal a new world had to be created in order to make up for it. It was sealed off from the original Hyrule and became an entity of it's own. I don't know how else to explain it.
In TWW, the Link that we see is stressed as not being related at all to the Hero of Time. This makes complete sense to me in regards to the Split Timeline, it makes sense because the Hero of Time no longer existed in that world, and therefore, couldn't have any descendents. In other words, in this world, a new hero had to be born.
hmm, I'm sure I have more to say, but I'm too tired to think of it at the moment. Maybe later.
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Let's see...
My reasons to believe in a split timeline. First off, when Link was sent back in time to "live his life" everything changes. Ganon couldn't get into the Sacred Realm by the same means, he would have to find another, we know he's still around, but he is no longer in possession of the Triforce of Power. We do know that he will somehow get into the Sacred Realm, I explain this with AlttP's backstory, I figure that's how it happened the second time through. Of course, you could say that it would happen the same way, considering the whole "destiny" thing. The same sages and such would be around in that case, but in ALttP the sages were presumably chosen by the King, not awoken by Link. Of course, you could argue that the true events were forgotten, and with the absence of the Zora, Goron, Shiekah, and Kokiri, the true nature of the sages was forgone for purely human male sages. But when was the last time that the backstory of a game outright lied to you or was simply "wrong".
It also can't be argued that the Adult Link events never happened, and were simply told as legends of the Hyrulian Royal Family. When something happens, logically, it can't be erased. These people exist, they live, the world exists, and yet Link goes back in time, and changes it all simply by his inaction and absence. These people would have to stop existing in order to make up for this, their life never happened, what a waste. Now, there's probably something scientific to explain this, but I've never heard of it. When Link went back for the final time, and everything supposedly went back to normal a new world had to be created in order to make up for it. It was sealed off from the original Hyrule and became an entity of it's own. I don't know how else to explain it.
In TWW, the Link that we see is stressed as not being related at all to the Hero of Time. This makes complete sense to me in regards to the Split Timeline, it makes sense because the Hero of Time no longer existed in that world, and therefore, couldn't have any descendents. In other words, in this world, a new hero had to be born.
hmm, I'm sure I have more to say, but I'm too tired to think of it at the moment. Maybe later.
Before I even begin to start here I would like to say that I cannot prove you wrong, but I am glad you answered because this is a topic I wanted to discuss from another person's views and see why they so strongly uphold the Split Timeline Theory. So I would like to commend you for being the first to explain your reasons, but that is as far as it goes, because I am now going to tell you why I disagree with this.
We know throughout the whole game that once Link goes back in the past that Ganondorf is taking over Hyrule Castle. The Castle guards will not let Link by because of the outbreak, and this happens until Link resolves the issue of Ganondorf in the future. Next you stated that there are difference between the Imprisoning War and the Ocarina of Time, and although I do not support them as the same either, but perhaps let us say that they were. You came with all of the counter points that one would most likely assume, but you asked when would the backstory of a game outright lie to me, but in that same instruction booklet it states and I quote "But in its passing, the lore was often distorted or lost altogether..". Not only that but it also stated that "Memories of the vicious Imprisoning War FADED over the generations..". Also the story was as if being told by the wise sage or scholar, and the events are never stated as absloute fact, but just what he can remember and recall.
So if I were to support the Imprisoning War and Ocarina of Time as the same story I could come back with a counterstrike, but this particular incident doesn't really bother me, because I don't consider them the same anyways. I also agree with you on the fact that Adult Link's events happened, but I don't see it as creating an a flux within the time/space continuum. You see Link freed all of these sages and had awakened them, then he fought Ganondorf high atop his dark citadel. As Link defeated Ganondorf, the Six Sages and Zelda imprisoned him in the tainted Sacred Realm. Zelda felt bad because she had taken away Link's childhood so she sends him back in the past to relive his life as a child. We see that in the future, everyone is safe from harms way and everyone is celebrating the defeat of Ganondorf. In the past, Hyrule Castle is no longer under attack by Ganondorf's attacks in the past, because he is trapped in the Sacred Realm. Now how can this be if he wasn't trapped in the past, but in the future? Interesting concept, but let us take a look at another game that decides to use time travel as a basic concept of thier storytelling.
In Crono Trigger, the world was to be destroyed by an evil entity known as Lavos in the era of 1999 A.D. Though when Crono and his allies start ripping through time and begin to change events of the past, present, and future things are soon unraveled a bit, but nothing ever causes a split timeline. Also when Lavos is destroyed it doesn't matter which era you do it in, whether it be "The End of Time" or 12,000 B.C., because you find out that Lavos has somehow been destroyed in all timelines. This could be one way of explaining the aforementioned events that had transpired in the Ocarina of Time.
Now on to the Wind Waker. It does mention that a hero dressed in green defeated the evil Ganon. This would explain the events of the Adult Link timeline perfectly, but let us not forget that Link was also sent back into the past by Princess Zelda, and he went on to venture in Termina and that is where the Majora's Mask story takes place. We never really do know if Link made it back to Hyrule or not, but some speculate that he did, but others say that he didn't. Whether he did or not though it is still evident that Ganondorf escaped, plunged the world into darkness, and the tales about the Hero of Time still suggest that he did indeed exist. The King of Red Lions even comments on the fact that Hero had lost the qualities that was needed to sustain himself as a hero. So the hero most certainly did exist.
Now I too am sure that I am forgeting a few things, but a person can't think of everything. Still I think that this will shape up to be an interesting debate.
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True, the manual says that, but in my reading, it is referring to the actual people of Hyrule, and not to the history given in the manual. In other words it sets the stage for what happens. People forgot what had happened, or they no longer knew the truth of what happened, it set the stage for it to happen again. It's a cycle that we see repeated in many of the Zelda games, the people forget and evil arrises again."But in its passing, the lore was often distorted or lost altogether..". Not only that but it also stated that "Memories of the vicious Imprisoning War FADED over the generations..". Also the story was as if being told by the wise sage or scholar, and the events are never stated as absloute fact, but just what he can remember and recall.
That's completely an assumption on your part, depending on what point of time that you believe Link to have been sent back to. If he was sent back to the last time that he pulled the sword and traveled forward, then yes, Ganon would have had to be sealed. However, if he was, as I believe, sent back to a period before he had first pulled out the sword, and before the attack on the castle, that wouldn't have had to be the case. The King could have been warned and prepared for an attack by Ganon, thus thwarting him. There is no indication either way that Ganon was or was not sealed in both time periods, or in one which affected both. My beliefs say that he was only sealed in the future, leaving the past Ganon free to plot and eventually bring to pass the events of the ALttP backstory.In the past, Hyrule Castle is no longer under attack by Ganondorf's attacks in the past, because he is trapped in the Sacred Realm. Now how can this be if he wasn't trapped in the past, but in the future? Interesting concept, but let us take a look at another game that decides to use time travel as a basic concept of thier storytelling.
Chrono Trigger has little to do with the events of OoT. It's a different kind of Time travel as far as I can tell, though I honestly haven't spent enough quality time with the game to say for sure. From your explanation, the point is that he has been destroyed, not when. A more in depth explanation of the differences in travel is that in OoT, when Link travels, he retains the age and physical attributes of the particular time period he is in at the moment. In Chrono Trigger that is not the case, each character is the same throughout, you can even take characters from the different periods with you when you leave them. Anyway, the point is that they're different games, with different views of time travel, and therefore not applicable to each other.In Crono Trigger, the world was to be destroyed by an evil entity known as Lavos in the era of 1999 A.D. Though when Crono and his allies start ripping through time and begin to change events of the past, present, and future things are soon unraveled a bit, but nothing ever causes a split timeline. Also when Lavos is destroyed it doesn't matter which era you do it in, whether it be "The End of Time" or 12,000 B.C., because you find out that Lavos has somehow been destroyed in all timelines. This could be one way of explaining the aforementioned events that had transpired in the Ocarina of Time.
This seems completely jumbled to me, I don't quite see what you're getting at and why it applies to the argument. Yes, after Link was sent back to the child timeline he goes on his adventures in Termina, no we don't know whether or not he comes back, but it doesn't matter, as far as I can see that Link is not featured in any games thereafter. My point is not that he never existed, but that after he left the adult timeline he ceased to exist within it and existed only in the child time. If you aren't physically living in a place, you cannot have descendents, if he did have descendents there I have no doubt they would have been the ones to inherit the role of hero. The Hero of Winds was chosen because he possessed many of the traits of the original Hero of Time. A new lineage of heros had to be born in the new timeline.Now on to the Wind Waker. It does mention that a hero dressed in green defeated the evil Ganon. This would explain the events of the Adult Link timeline perfectly, but let us not forget that Link was also sent back into the past by Princess Zelda, and he went on to venture in Termina and that is where the Majora's Mask story takes place. We never really do know if Link made it back to Hyrule or not, but some speculate that he did, but others say that he didn't. Whether he did or not though it is still evident that Ganondorf escaped, plunged the world into darkness, and the tales about the Hero of Time still suggest that he did indeed exist. The King of Red Lions even comments on the fact that Hero had lost the qualities that was needed to sustain himself as a hero. So the hero most certainly did exist.
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If The Minish Cap explains where Link gets his green cap and tunic, then that makes no sense.
That's the traditional garb of Kokiri males and since OoT Link was raised among them, no other explanation is really needed.
That's the traditional garb of Kokiri males and since OoT Link was raised among them, no other explanation is really needed.
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Hum... just a comment on this...
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You're completely wrong. When Chrono and Co killed Lavos they created two timelines, one with a Lavos living, and another one with a dead Lavos.
That started a chain of events which resulted in another game known as Chrono Cross, which allows the players to travel between those two different realities.
In Crono Trigger, the world was to be destroyed by an evil entity known as Lavos in the era of 1999 A.D. Though when Crono and his allies start ripping through time and begin to change events of the past, present, and future things are soon unraveled a bit, but nothing ever causes a split timeline. Also when Lavos is destroyed it doesn't matter which era you do it in, whether it be "The End of Time" or 12,000 B.C., because you find out that Lavos has somehow been destroyed in all timelines. This could be one way of explaining the aforementioned events that had transpired in the Ocarina of Time.
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You're completely wrong. When Chrono and Co killed Lavos they created two timelines, one with a Lavos living, and another one with a dead Lavos.
That started a chain of events which resulted in another game known as Chrono Cross, which allows the players to travel between those two different realities.
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If The Minish Cap explains where Link gets his green cap and tunic, then that makes no sense.
That's the traditional garb of Kokiri males and since OoT Link was raised among them, no other explanation is really needed.
Traditions have to come from somewhere right?
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If The Minish Cap explains where Link gets his green cap and tunic, then that makes no sense.
That's the traditional garb of Kokiri males and since OoT Link was raised among them, no other explanation is really needed.
Minish Cap only explains the cap, not the tunic.
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I can agree with you on the manual deal, mainly because I don't see the Ocarina of Time and the Imprisoning War being the same, but the point is they did forget some things, but still moving right along.
Now the second part was an assumption yes, but Link did visit Zelda, and honestly even if the Knights and the King were ready for Ganondorf's attacks I seriously doubt they could have stopped him. They couldn't do so in the legend that was told in the Wind Waker, so it could be assumed that he was sealed not only in the future but in the past as well.
Okay perhaps the Crono Trigger deal was a bad comparison, considering that Crono and his team span aeons, while Link only travels back to the events of where he was a child, and back to the age of where he is the fabled "Hero of Time". My point was though that Lavos can be destroyed in any timeline, and his threat has ended in every timeline, so why couldn't Ganondorf be sealed in the past, just as he was in the future. Time is a mysterious thing.
Now on to the Wind Waker situation. Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough the first go around, but perhaps I can give a bit more light on what I was trying to say. Here is the legend that is spoken of in the Wind Waker.
Long ago, there existed a kingdom where a golden power lay hidden. It was a prosperous land blessed with green forests, tall mountains, and peace.
But one day, a man of great evil found the golden power and took it for himself. With its strength at his command, he spread darkness throughout the kingdom. But then, when all hope had died and the hour of doom seemed at hand...
...a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. Wielding the blade of evil's bane, he sealed the dark one away and gave the land light.
This is telling the events of Link defeating Ganondorf at the end of the Ocarina of Time. But Link also went back to the past, but all of his noble deeds were still done in the future timeline of the Ocarina of Time, or else it would not have become legend. Now looking further we find out that something happened as Link went back in time, and went on his trip to Termina.
This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. The boy's tale was passed down through generations until it became legend. But then...a day came when a fell wind began to blow across the kingdom. The great evil that all thought had been forever sealed away by the hero once again crept forth from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs.
The people believed that the Hero of Time would again come to save them...but the hero did not appear. Faced by an onslaught of evil, the people could do nothing but appeal to the gods. In the last hour, as doom drew nigh, they left thier future in the hands of fate. What became of that kingdom? None remain who know.
Now there are several different theories that could be explained here. One could say that Link never made it back from Termina to save Hyrule from Ganondorf's return. We do know however that he was sealed by the hero, but we do not know what happened to the hero. Another theory could be that since the people of Hyrule believed that Link was a Hero of Time, they may have thought he could have transcended any timeline, because his tale was passed down through generations until it became legend. But we know that Link could only travel from his childhood past, to his adulthood future, not to any timeline he deemed worthy to enter. The citizens of Hyrule could have misunderstood this, and maybe that is why they believed that the hero would return. Ganondorf did claim that he would gain revenge on thier descendants, so perhaps this is somewhat farther from the last events of the Ocarina of Time than one may have anticipated.
Now my argument is that Link didn't cease his adult timeline or else it would not have become legend. Also Ganondorf would not remember a battle with the Hero of Time if it had not happened, and the words from the King of Red Lions make things look all the more promising.
" Link, do you know the legend of the Hero of Time? Once long ago he defeated Ganon and brought peace to the kingdom of Hyrule...A piece of the Triforce was given to the Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as Zelda kept hers. That sacred piece is known as the Triforce of Courage. When the Hero of Time embarked on another journey and left the land of Hyrule, he was seperated from the elements that made him a hero."
Not only does this explain Link venturing to Termina, but it still shows that Link and Ganon did battle in the Adult Link timeline.
And your right this is fun, I always like to enjoy hearing new theories and such, and how to people back them up, but that doesn't mean that I am always going to agree with it either. I'll be looking forward to your next response.
I just noticed your response Neon Z and I thought that the alternate realities were created by an entity that infused with Schala, hence the name the Time Devourer. Though you can correct me on this if I am wrong, never played Crono Cross that much, but I loved the original Crono Trigger.
Now the second part was an assumption yes, but Link did visit Zelda, and honestly even if the Knights and the King were ready for Ganondorf's attacks I seriously doubt they could have stopped him. They couldn't do so in the legend that was told in the Wind Waker, so it could be assumed that he was sealed not only in the future but in the past as well.
Okay perhaps the Crono Trigger deal was a bad comparison, considering that Crono and his team span aeons, while Link only travels back to the events of where he was a child, and back to the age of where he is the fabled "Hero of Time". My point was though that Lavos can be destroyed in any timeline, and his threat has ended in every timeline, so why couldn't Ganondorf be sealed in the past, just as he was in the future. Time is a mysterious thing.
Now on to the Wind Waker situation. Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough the first go around, but perhaps I can give a bit more light on what I was trying to say. Here is the legend that is spoken of in the Wind Waker.
Long ago, there existed a kingdom where a golden power lay hidden. It was a prosperous land blessed with green forests, tall mountains, and peace.
But one day, a man of great evil found the golden power and took it for himself. With its strength at his command, he spread darkness throughout the kingdom. But then, when all hope had died and the hour of doom seemed at hand...
...a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. Wielding the blade of evil's bane, he sealed the dark one away and gave the land light.
This is telling the events of Link defeating Ganondorf at the end of the Ocarina of Time. But Link also went back to the past, but all of his noble deeds were still done in the future timeline of the Ocarina of Time, or else it would not have become legend. Now looking further we find out that something happened as Link went back in time, and went on his trip to Termina.
This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. The boy's tale was passed down through generations until it became legend. But then...a day came when a fell wind began to blow across the kingdom. The great evil that all thought had been forever sealed away by the hero once again crept forth from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs.
The people believed that the Hero of Time would again come to save them...but the hero did not appear. Faced by an onslaught of evil, the people could do nothing but appeal to the gods. In the last hour, as doom drew nigh, they left thier future in the hands of fate. What became of that kingdom? None remain who know.
Now there are several different theories that could be explained here. One could say that Link never made it back from Termina to save Hyrule from Ganondorf's return. We do know however that he was sealed by the hero, but we do not know what happened to the hero. Another theory could be that since the people of Hyrule believed that Link was a Hero of Time, they may have thought he could have transcended any timeline, because his tale was passed down through generations until it became legend. But we know that Link could only travel from his childhood past, to his adulthood future, not to any timeline he deemed worthy to enter. The citizens of Hyrule could have misunderstood this, and maybe that is why they believed that the hero would return. Ganondorf did claim that he would gain revenge on thier descendants, so perhaps this is somewhat farther from the last events of the Ocarina of Time than one may have anticipated.
Now my argument is that Link didn't cease his adult timeline or else it would not have become legend. Also Ganondorf would not remember a battle with the Hero of Time if it had not happened, and the words from the King of Red Lions make things look all the more promising.
" Link, do you know the legend of the Hero of Time? Once long ago he defeated Ganon and brought peace to the kingdom of Hyrule...A piece of the Triforce was given to the Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as Zelda kept hers. That sacred piece is known as the Triforce of Courage. When the Hero of Time embarked on another journey and left the land of Hyrule, he was seperated from the elements that made him a hero."
Not only does this explain Link venturing to Termina, but it still shows that Link and Ganon did battle in the Adult Link timeline.
And your right this is fun, I always like to enjoy hearing new theories and such, and how to people back them up, but that doesn't mean that I am always going to agree with it either. I'll be looking forward to your next response.
I just noticed your response Neon Z and I thought that the alternate realities were created by an entity that infused with Schala, hence the name the Time Devourer. Though you can correct me on this if I am wrong, never played Crono Cross that much, but I loved the original Crono Trigger.
