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#61 Person

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 07:27 PM

Zelda Wiki sucks. It's poorly edited, only uses NoA quotes, and anything can get posted on there. On ZU someone mentioned that Zelda Wiki's Sacred Grove page says that TP might take place on the Adult Timeline.


It's way, way better than Zeldapedia, which doesn't even require that you cite your sources. And the NoA-only thing was recently changed. You're allowed to use Japanese quotes now, they just say NoA to maintain consistency. And the Sacred Grove page says the opposite now, mentioning that the Master Sword is probably a nod to ALttP.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:31 PM

Wasn't there only one real portal that opened every hundred years or something?


There were multiple, according to Ezlo, but we only see one.

Wasn't that just made up of various parts of Hyrule that Ganon corrupted?


Technically, no. The terms used for the 4th level with the dark forest and everything and the alternate dimension the Moon Gates lead to are different in the Japanese.

Could you please link to that Word of God statement? Also, it seems like the Mirror of Twilight was the only way to properly get into the Twilight Realm.


It was an interview or game comment or something I saw on this board, but hell if I know where it went. The Mirror of Twilight is the only way to properly get in, but the Twilight Gates apparently "passed through" it on the way from point A to point B, a la hyperspace. Kinda supported by their initial manifestations throwing out Dark Beasts directly from wherever Zant is keeping them.

Please, no discussion in the translation thread. To continue this discussion, someone start a new thread, and I'll move the relevant posts across.


Just saw this part, sorry. Move this with the other posts, then.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:00 PM

I like how I'm the topic starter on this now.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:45 PM

There were multiple, according to Ezlo, but we only see one.


Do you have the quote by chance?

Technically, no. The terms used for the 4th level with the dark forest and everything and the alternate dimension the Moon Gates lead to are different in the Japanese.


How so? Also, weren't some of those areas simply corrupted and not part of the Dark World?

It was an interview or game comment or something I saw on this board, but hell if I know where it went. The Mirror of Twilight is the only way to properly get in, but the Twilight Gates apparently "passed through" it on the way from point A to point B, a la hyperspace.


Alright, but wouldn't it still be impossible to truly cross between the realms then?

Kinda supported by their initial manifestations throwing out Dark Beasts directly from wherever Zant is keeping them.


Well, they may have been kept in Hyrule Castle during the game, though considering the alliance between Ganondorf and Zant the warp zone Twilit Messengers could have come from the Twilight Realm.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 11:00 PM

Wow.

That's all I can say about this whole debate.

Edit: Masamune and toast (hey son!) are the only two people who make sense to me anymore....

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 11:36 PM

I wanted to say something, but the thing I was gonna pick bones with wasn't transfered and was deleted xP

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 11:57 AM

Do you have the quote by chance?


You know I can't find game quotes to save my life. x_x I think he said it when Link was being schooled on Picori legends at some point.

How so? Also, weren't some of those areas simply corrupted and not part of the Dark World?


The "Dark World" that the Links travel to as entire levels, like the Dark Temple and the surrounding area, are corrupted. The "Dark World" that functions as a shadow dimension is an unrelated alternate plane, implied to be created by the Dark Mirror and/or Ganon's power.

Alright, but wouldn't it still be impossible to truly cross between the realms then?


Theoretically, but I'm hesitant to say for sure. A friend once pointed out to me that the Twilight Gates seem to correlate (probably by sheer coincidence, mind you) with the Sacred Realm gates of LTTP. The difference being one situated in the sky and the other in the ground. What if these were naturally occuring gates that existed before the sealing by the Goddesses, and Zant ripped them back open? Presumably, the seal would be keeping Midna and Link from taking the shortcut to the Twilight Realm.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 03:06 PM

I wanted to say something, but the thing I was gonna pick bones with wasn't transfered and was deleted xP


What? I haven't deleted anything... Are you sure it's not here?


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Posted 12 August 2009 - 05:15 PM

The "Dark World" that the Links travel to as entire levels, like the Dark Temple and the surrounding area, are corrupted. The "Dark World" that functions as a shadow dimension is an unrelated alternate plane, implied to be created by the Dark Mirror and/or Ganon's power.


So the Dark World as a whole in FSA wasn't just a corrupted Hyrule? Ganon created some things from scratch?

Theoretically, but I'm hesitant to say for sure. A friend once pointed out to me that the Twilight Gates seem to correlate (probably by sheer coincidence, mind you) with the Sacred Realm gates of LTTP. The difference being one situated in the sky and the other in the ground.


I don't really think that they match up too well. Also, there are far more warp portals in TP than there were Dark World portals in ALttP.

What if these were naturally occuring gates that existed before the sealing by the Goddesses, and Zant ripped them back open? Presumably, the seal would be keeping Midna and Link from taking the shortcut to the Twilight Realm.


What seal? The only obstacle mentioned in the game was the fact that Hyrule and the Twilight Realm were different dimensions with the Mirror of Twilight connecting them. Also, if the Twilight Realm was still accessible, wouldn't Midna's destruction of the Mirror of Twilight be cheapened or at least somewhat pointless?

Edited by Average Gamer, 12 August 2009 - 05:15 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2009 - 05:21 PM

Yeah, I guess I cant find them |: I forgot what I was looking for anyway ):

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 12:51 PM

Biologically speaking, different species should be incapable of reproducing with each other.

This is madness.
THIS IS HYRULE!

No seriously Average Gamer, we can't speculate whether all the races of Hyrule can or cannot marry and have offspring together, Nintendo put Ruto in Ocarina if only for comical reasons and to give her character a bigger more meaningful role; her relationship with Link was probably just a harmless funny prank on those Link/Zelda shippers.

All Nintendo has ever admitted to within the Gossip Stones' text is that Gerudos and Hyrulians can and are capable of having children together, however any offspring from such a pairing are always female Gerudo. If the women warriors/thieves did not breed with Hylian men often then they're entire species would subsequently die out. The Gerudo, being so dependant on the men of Hyrule, seem to be a parasitic race in that respect, possibly because at some point in history female chromosomes became far too dominant for any male offspring to appear. Only in exceptional circumstances is a male Gerudo ever born, usually one in every one hundred years. That boy immediately becomes King of the entire desert race and is even worshipped as a God. Problem is though because female chromosomes are dominant and male are recessive said Gerudo male is still incapable of bearing any sons (i.e. heir to the throne), only daughters.

Do you know what this means exactly?

While OoT Ganondorf's mother is a Gerudo, his father is a Hyrulian.

Luke Skywalker: NOOOOO!


Never know, Technically Link (OoT) married a fish, if he didnt leave Hyrule he woulda had a fucked up merman baby......

That's like saying Jabu-Jabu is a fish. We know he's not. The deity is neither a whale or a fish, just as the Zora aren't entirely fish, amphibians, or mammals. Biology doesn't have the same rules/restrictions in a fantasy game, which is especially true within Zelda, hence why Oracles' Link can travel around in a boxing kangaroo's pouch, or on the back of a flying blue bear. A flying blue bear. That eats bananas. Bananas people.


It's a videogame people. Who is to say a human can't have a baby with a Zora? Like, Link can breathe underwater by wearing different clothes. That don't even cover his face.

Glad to see someone not being too analytical over this topic.


Besides, maybe the Postman had a human descendent who had a baby with a Rito. They seem a little more similar to humans, if that makes it any more believable for you.

Ritos, like Zoras and Hyrulians marrying and having children, is all plausible, I guess. I'm not sure if its an easter egg or not.

Edited by spunky-monkey, 13 August 2009 - 12:53 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:54 PM

So the Dark World as a whole in FSA wasn't just a corrupted Hyrule? Ganon created some things from scratch?


It was a reflection of Hyrule, but it wasn't actually Hyrule. Mirrors and shit.

I don't really think that they match up too well. Also, there are far more warp portals in TP than there were Dark World portals in ALttP.


The ones with parallels do kinda match up.

Also wtf you didn't find all the super secret Sacred Realm portals? You dumb n00b.

What seal? The only obstacle mentioned in the game was the fact that Hyrule and the Twilight Realm were different dimensions with the Mirror of Twilight connecting them. Also, if the Twilight Realm was still accessible, wouldn't Midna's destruction of the Mirror of Twilight be cheapened or at least somewhat pointless?


The Goddesses sealed the Twili away. I'm sure they put some seal in place to keep people from making new portals. >_>

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:07 PM

Aye seconded, except for the noob. Theres around 8-11 dark portals in LttP.

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 06:23 PM

All Nintendo has ever admitted to within the Gossip Stones' text is that Gerudos and Hyrulians can and are capable of having children together, however any offspring from such a pairing are always female Gerudo. If the women warriors/thieves did not breed with Hylian men often then they're entire species would subsequently die out.


However, I have already mentioned that Hylians and Gerudo are both obviously humans. The "one male" thing seems like a curse if anything. Zora, on the other hand, are obviously not human.

That's like saying Jabu-Jabu is a fish.


He technically is a fish. I recall him even being called a fish in the game.

Biology doesn't have the same rules/restrictions in a fantasy game,


Yet claiming that a Hylian screwed a Zora in the Adult Timeline is just something baseless that ZU pulled out of its ass.

The ones with parallels do kinda match up.


Do you have any screenshots to back this up? Also, even counting all of the Dark World portals in ALttP, there are far more warp portals in TP.

The Goddesses sealed the Twili away. I'm sure they put some seal in place to keep people from making new portals.


That seems doubtful, particularly since Ganondorf and Zant managed to basically connect the realms without the mirror.

Edited by Average Gamer, 13 August 2009 - 06:25 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2009 - 06:40 PM

There are nine portals in ALttP. There are fifteen in TP. And presumably six in OoT...

Ordon Spring
South Faron Woods
North Faron Woods
Sacred Grove
Kakariko Village
Kakariko Gorge
Death Mountain
Bridge of Eldin
Zora's Domain
Upper Zora's River
Castle Town
Lake Hylia
Gerudo Mesa
Mirror Chamber
Snowpeak Mountain

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 06:43 PM

*Comes back to see what topic is representative of the current state of timeline theorising*

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Also this one.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 11:08 PM

*Comes back to see what topic is representative of the current state of timeline theorising*

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Also this one.


All the more reason for you to post your next Word document or whatever you're working on.

Speaking of reproduction in the Zelda series, people on ZU now believe that Vaati raped random women and created the Sheikah.

http://www.zeldauniv...nt-believe.html

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 11:39 PM

Speaking of reproduction in the Zelda series, people on ZU now believe that Vaati raped random women and created the Sheikah.

http://www.zeldauniv...nt-believe.html


:blink:

I prefer my origin story for the Sheikah... that they're a tribe of magically adept Hylians who've sworn fealty to the Royal Family.

But I guess that isn't crazy enough for ZU.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 01:17 AM

Hey, it's got nothing on "Dark Link was TP Link turned evil and sent back in time to kill OoT Link."

But seriously, the Sheikah are like the Stone Tower. We get almost no explanation or backstory, so fans just make them up. It doesn't help that the eye symbol keeps showing up. "Agahnim was a Sheikah" is old news now.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 05:59 AM

However, I have already mentioned that Hylians and Gerudo are both obviously humans. The "one male" thing seems like a curse if anything. Zora, on the other hand, are obviously not human.

Hylians, Gerudos and Zoras all are humanoids, not to be compared to humans. That's basically the same mistake as putting Neanderthals in the same class as Homo sapiens, which is an informal fallacy I'll remind you.


He technically is a fish. I recall him even being called a fish in the game.

Have I stumbled onto Zeldapedia mistaking it for LA Forums or something? That's like saying the Wind Fish is a fish because he has "fish" in the name. Technically speaking Jabu-Jabu is a deity that is neither whale or fish for obvious reasons I'll state below:

1. Jabu has no dorsal fins.
2. He can be heard breathing air. Amphibious fish breathe air granted, but there's more...
3. Jabu has a horizontal fluke seen on whales rather than a vertical tail-fin associated with fish
4. He has a hippo-like head, a feature not present with either whale, nor fish.


Yet claiming that a Hylian screwed a Zora in the Adult Timeline is just something baseless that ZU pulled out of its ass.

I made no such claim. What I'm arguing is that both races are strictly speaking humanoids in a fantasy magic-governed world and therefore have the potential to marry and raise children together. Whether those children are born Hylian, Zora or a new hybrid race is created is another matter entirely.

Life is far more diverse in Zelda and should not be compared to the real-world since its all a video game (duh). In Oracle of Ages a giant Maku tree fell in love and wanted to marry Link, now HOW does that work? Obviously love needs no explanation as it conquers all biological boundaries in this particular fictional universe, and rationality takes a back seat; also the ever-popular fall back on argument "But that relationship would be immoral" gets it ass thrown out the window since one of the characters still thinks passionately about the other.

Sorry to piss on some fanfiction writer's parade but Ruto never broke her 'marriage vows' with Link in either timeline*, even after a seven-year absence, after becoming a Sage, she still wanted to go through with it (*unless Link travelled back to before he met Zelda in the Ocarina ending that is). Link needed Zora's Sapphire. Ruto wasn't supposed to give it to anyone but the man destined to be her husband. Ruto gave the engagement gift to Link, and so, he's hooked.


I prefer my origin story for the Sheikah... that they're a tribe of magically adept Hylians who've sworn fealty to the Royal Family.

But I guess that isn't crazy enough for ZU.

I look upon the Sheikah as a sub-race, but also I've heard people speculate a retcon they're actually members of the Twili who joined with the Hylians. That's probably not mad-hatter enough for ZU either. ^^

Edited by spunky-monkey, 15 August 2009 - 06:02 AM.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:21 AM

Ruto gave the engagement gift to Link, and so, he's hooked.


I imagine Link being caught in a loveless political marriage, having loads of affairs on the side.

No, wait, considering the setting, he can have concubines, right? Talon can make a lot of money for his ranch if he sells that daughter of his.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 10:19 AM

Morrowind has slavery, zelda doesnt, its rated E....

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 04:23 PM

Hylians, Gerudos and Zoras all are humanoids, not to be compared to humans.


Hylians are human; Midna even calls Link a human in TP. It is also blatantly obvious that Gerudo are human as well. Zora, however, are clearly fish people who lay eggs. The only thing they have in common with humans is being bipedal. Zora don't even have a mammalian reproductive system.

Have I stumbled onto Zeldapedia mistaking it for LA Forums or something? That's like saying the Wind Fish is a fish because he has "fish" in the name.


Calm down. Just take a look at Jabu-Jabu; he's clearly meant to be some sort of fish even if there are minor physical differences, especially if you consider King Zora's "green under the gills" comment to be more than a Zora expression.

1. Jabu has no dorsal fins.


The Zora apparently put some sort of ceremonial crown on his head, so he may have dorsal fins that are being obscured.

2. He can be heard breathing air.


If he has gills then you could potentially hear the same noise considering his size.

3. Jabu has a horizontal fluke seen on whales rather than a vertical tail-fin associated with fish


Alright, that's one thing.

4. He has a hippo-like head, a feature not present with either whale, nor fish.


Are you referring to his head in general or just how it opens?

I made no such claim. What I'm arguing is that both races are strictly speaking humanoids in a fantasy magic-governed world and therefore have the potential to marry and raise children together.


And I'm trying to point out that the two have clear physiological differences and don't even reproduce in the same manner. Until we see any real sign that hybrids between species can truly exist in the Zelda series (or at least exist and not be sterile) I find it rather foolish to argue that humans and Zora can reproduce.

Life is far more diverse in Zelda and should not be compared to the real-world since its all a video game (duh).


Yet that doesn't mean fans have free reign to make up anything. There's not enough evidence to suggest that humans can breed with Zoras, nor is there enough evidence to believe that, say, Vaati created the Sheikah by raping women or something. Even if there are rare cases of, as you mentioned, trees becoming enamored with Link, that doesn't mean Link can screw a tree and make Ents or something.

Sorry to piss on some fanfiction writer's parade but Ruto never broke her 'marriage vows' with Link in either timeline*, even after a seven-year absence, after becoming a Sage, she still wanted to go through with it (*unless Link travelled back to before he met Zelda in the Ocarina ending that is). Link needed Zora's Sapphire. Ruto wasn't supposed to give it to anyone but the man destined to be her husband. Ruto gave the engagement gift to Link, and so, he's hooked.


Link presumably had no idea what marriage was when he was a kid and when he met Ruto seven years later he jumped back, startled, when she mentioned the marriage thing and her love, as though he was going "Oh shit, I dug myself into a hole". Additionally, after Ruto awakens as a Sage, she tells Link that she has to remain a Sage and can't actually give her love to him.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:38 PM

Link also had no concept of marriage either. The text when you get the Sapphire says "You don't understand these grown-up matters." So he had no idea what he was getting into.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:39 PM

Speaking of reproduction in the Zelda series, people on ZU now believe that Vaati raped random women and created the Sheikah.

http://www.zeldauniv...nt-believe.html


To be fair, the OP of that thread said he doesn't really believe the idea. But I think he has convinced some of the newer members. I find the reproduction threads even worse, like the Gerudo reproduction thread on there right now.

Hey, it's got nothing on "Dark Link was TP Link turned evil and sent back in time to kill OoT Link."

But seriously, the Sheikah are like the Stone Tower. We get almost no explanation or backstory, so fans just make them up. It doesn't help that the eye symbol keeps showing up. "Agahnim was a Sheikah" is old news now.


That just reminded me, on ZU a newer member asked 'what if vaati is agahnim's son'.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:47 PM

Technically speaking Jabu-Jabu is a deity that is neither whale or fish for obvious reasons I'll state below:

1. Jabu has no dorsal fins.
2. He can be heard breathing air. Amphibious fish breathe air granted, but there's more...
3. Jabu has a horizontal fluke seen on whales rather than a vertical tail-fin associated with fish
4. He has a hippo-like head, a feature not present with either whale, nor fish.


But

Life is far more diverse in Zelda and should not be compared to the real-world since its all a video game (duh).


Anyway, whether he's a whale or a fish seems like a highly irrelevant point to me.

Although it is notable that we don't really see him do anything particularly deity like, unlike Jabun; it's possible he really is just a big (video game biology) fish/whale without any kind of sentience that the Zora just happen to worship like an idol. (And there's another one in OoA.)


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:28 PM

To be fair, the OP of that thread said he doesn't really believe the idea. But I think he has convinced some of the newer members.


The newer members were the ones I was mainly referring to. The Vaati Rape Theory is spreading with ease when it's practically baseless and not in character with Nintendo to boot.

I find the reproduction threads even worse, like the Gerudo reproduction thread on there right now.


Technically the Sheikah thread I linked to was a reproduction thread, but yeah, the reproduction threads suck. Gerudo women have sex with Hylian/human men and the Gerudo King. End of story.

That just reminded me, on ZU a newer member asked 'what if vaati is agahnim's son'.


Yeah, that's particularly bad, seeing as how Agahnim was just a bunshin of Ganon for ALttP. And the fact that, you know, Vaati is a Picori.

Edited by Average Gamer, 15 August 2009 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 10:08 PM

The newer members were the ones I was mainly referring to. The Vaati Rape Theory is spreading with ease when it's practically baseless and not in character with Nintendo to boot.

Okay, that's what I thought you were probably referring to.


Technically the Sheikah thread I linked to was a reproduction thread, but yeah, the reproduction threads suck. Gerudo women have sex with Hylian/human men and the Gerudo King. End of story.

Exactly. The Goron ones are the main offenders.

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Posted 16 August 2009 - 06:34 AM

Hylians are human; Midna even calls Link a human in TP.

No they're not. Weren't you paying any attention to what I've just said? Hylians are humanoid. Ordonians are human. Did the pointy ears and ability to cast magic not tip you off or something?


It is also blatantly obvious that Gerudo are human as well.

A race composed entirely of red haired women, with the ability to cast dark magic, who rely on Hylians to reproduce as only once in a hundred years is a male Gerudo ever born is blatantly obvious to me they're humanoid.


Zora, however, are clearly fish people who lay eggs. The only thing they have in common with humans is being bipedal. Zora don't even have a mammalian reproductive system.

I'm arguing that both races, like with the Ritos, have the potential to have offspring together. I'm speculating on the basis that the races can easily fall in love with each other, but you're arguing for a fact they're reproductive systems prevent this altogether. I would be most interested to learn where you acquired this information from.


Calm down. Just take a look at Jabu-Jabu; he's clearly meant to be some sort of fish even if there are minor physical differences, especially if you consider King Zora's "green under the gills" comment to be more than a Zora expression.

Like their constant overuse of the word "Respect!", I don't consider it to be anything more than a Zoran expression.


The Zora apparently put some sort of ceremonial crown on his head, so he may have dorsal fins that are being obscured.

FYI. A dorsal fin is a fin located on the backs of some big fish, not their heads.


If he has gills then you could potentially hear the same noise considering his size.

No listen to the sound being made. He's clearly inhaling and exhaling air. Gills are respiration organs that function with the extraction of oxygen from water, you wouldn't hear him breathing air in the same manner if he relied on gills.


Alright, that's one thing.

Why don't the others count?


Are you referring to his head in general or just how it opens?

The appearance of his head, though how it opens is similar to a hippopotamus' jaw as well. Thanks for pointing that out.


And I'm trying to point out that the two have clear physiological differences and don't even reproduce in the same manner. Until we see any real sign that hybrids between species can truly exist in the Zelda series (or at least exist and not be sterile) I find it rather foolish to argue that humans and Zora can reproduce.

The *potential* to have offspring isn't quite the same thing as the two races actually having children. Physiological differences are present, check. Both races are humanoid, check. Both races don't reproduce in exactly the same manner, check. Both races can't reproduce together, err, no. We don't know if either race can accomplish this or not, that's why I'm speculating. You say they can't - I would like to hear why can't they, and not abstract thoughts from your own emotional feelings on said subject - I want solid evidence i.e. game text, confirmation from Nintendo, to say why they can't.


Yet that doesn't mean fans have free reign to make up anything. There's not enough evidence to suggest that humans can breed with Zoras, nor is there enough evidence to believe that, say, Vaati created the Sheikah by raping women or something. Even if there are rare cases of, as you mentioned, trees becoming enamored with Link, that doesn't mean Link can screw a tree and make Ents or something.

In Zelda, magic always fills in the gaps. Indeed life and magic seem to be intertwined in this particular fictional universe. Potions restoring life force energy, people's souls turning into masks, tunics letting you breathe underwater, evil magic reviving the deceased as ReDeads, the list goes on.


Additionally, after Ruto awakens as a Sage, she tells Link that she has to remain a Sage and can't actually give her love to him.

She can, she just isn't able to due to current circumstances, what with Ganondorf the King of Evil wrecking havoc on Hyrule, and she needs to help Link as a Sage. After Ganon's defeat and imprisonment she had fulfilled her duty as a Sage and there was nothing to stop her proposing, except that Link had already travelled back in time to regain his lost childhood under Zelda's instructions. Circumstances prevented the marriage, nothing else.

As a reward...
I grant my eternal love to you.
Well, that's what I want to say,
but I don't think I can offer that
now.



Anyway, whether he's a whale or a fish seems like a highly irrelevant point to me.

You're probably right. What bothers me though is that people still call Jabu-Jabu a big fish instead of a deity regardless, when there's stronger evidence to show he is not just an overgrown fish. Personally if people had simply referred to Jabu as a "Zoran Leviathan" a large sea monster/creature it would've been a more accurate term, and more sufficient than simply "fish".


Although it is notable that we don't really see him do anything particularly deity like, unlike Jabun; it's possible he really is just a big (video game biology) fish/whale without any kind of sentience that the Zora just happen to worship like an idol. (And there's another one in OoA.)

Yet the Zoras are offended should anyone refer to Jabu-Jabu as a plain ordinary fish. Is that possibly because said being in question is not a fish?

Huh? A big fish?
Do you mean...Jabu-Jabu?
But Jabu-Jabu is the guardian of us Zoras!
Calling him a fish is an insult!
Watch your language!


Edited by spunky-monkey, 16 August 2009 - 06:40 AM.


#90 MikePetersSucks

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Posted 16 August 2009 - 01:36 PM

Morrowind has slavery, zelda doesnt, its rated E....


Just because the games are rated E doesn't mean the Hyrule universe is. People still DIE, we just don't see it. So why can't kings have concubines and slaves and stuff?

I'm speculating on the basis that the races can easily fall in love with each other


To be fair, using the ability to love as basis for speculating for ability to breed, no matter what universe you're in. I'm sure Hyrule has it's share of gay or infertile couples too, so what's stopping people from easily falling in love with someone from a race they can't form babby with?




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