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#1 Masamune

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:23 AM

Hylians and Zora aren't the same species, but they might be capable of producing viable offspring together (in the same way that Klingons and Humans with billions of years of divergent evolution are, ahem).

Besides, it said postman. The Running Man was never a postman, only his Termina counterpart was. Legend of the Fairy, anyone?

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 01:21 PM

Anyway, theorists on Zelda Universe are beginning to think that Hylians and Zoras might be the same species only because of the Rito Postman Koboli in The Wind Waker.


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Posted 04 August 2009 - 04:49 PM

Hylians and Zora aren't the same species, but they might be capable of producing viable offspring together (in the same way that Klingons and Humans with billions of years of divergent evolution are, ahem).


Biologically speaking, different species should be incapable of reproducing with each other. Star Trek screwed up there, though they at least had an easy retcon due to Klingons basically being humans with head ridges. Hell, Klingons didn't even have those in the Original Series.

Besides, it said postman. The Running Man was never a postman, only his Termina counterpart was.


They're claiming that the OoT Running Man probably became a postman and they tried to mention the symbol the postman had in Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. Regardless, unless a translation gives real evidence, it seems absurd to believe that Hylians and Zoras are the same species.

Edited by Average Gamer, 04 August 2009 - 04:51 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2009 - 05:02 PM

Hylians and Zora aren't the same species, but they might be capable of producing viable offspring together (in the same way that Klingons and Humans with billions of years of divergent evolution are, ahem).


Biologically speaking, different species should be incapable of reproducing with each other. Star Trek screwed up there, though they at least had an easy retcon due to Klingons basically being humans with head ridges. Hell, Klingons didn't even have those in the Original Series.

Besides, it said postman. The Running Man was never a postman, only his Termina counterpart was.


They're claiming that the OoT Running Man probably became a postman and they tried to mention the symbol the postman had in Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. Regardless, unless a translation gives real evidence, it seems absurd to believe that Hylians and Zoras are the same species.

Ever try saying "It's an Easter Egg, don't think about it too hard?"
Of course they wouldn't listen. I ran into a guy there who constructed a timeline based on Zelda's dress.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 05:35 PM

Biologically speaking, different species should be incapable of reproducing with each other.


Sorry mules, you don't exist. :(

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I think the "It's an Easter Egg" argument is probably the one you want here. There's no evidence the OoT Running Man ever became a postman, after all. (Taken with the Legend of the Fairy, maybe all of TWW occurs in Termina's world; a section with a Hyrule analogue we never got to visit in MM!)


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Posted 04 August 2009 - 05:46 PM

Biologically speaking, different species should be incapable of reproducing with each other.


Sorry mules, you don't exist. :(

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I think the "It's an Easter Egg" argument is probably the one you want here. There's no evidence the OoT Running Man ever became a postman, after all. (Taken with the Legend of the Fairy, maybe all of TWW occurs in Termina's world; a section with a Hyrule analogue we never got to visit in MM!)

Except that mules are sterile, as are Zonkeys and other hybrids. I doubt a near-human species like Hylians could interbreed with fish-people who lay eggs.
And as for Legend of the Fairy, it really doesn't match up to MM. It's likely a story Tingle made up.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 06:44 PM

Never know, Technically Link (OoT) married a fish, if he didnt leave Hyrule he woulda had a fucked up merman baby......

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:02 PM

as for Legend of the Fairy, it really doesn't match up to MM.

Wait, what?

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:02 PM

Never know, Technically Link (OoT) married a fish, if he didnt leave Hyrule he woulda had a fucked up merman baby......

He was engaged to a fish, and probably never intended to go through with it. The dialogue box says that he "doesn't understand these grown-up matters" and is visibly shocked when Ruto brings it up again. The Kokiri probably don't have any concept of sex, so he would have been like Goku thinking that marriage was a food or something.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 08:24 PM

In fantasy settings, it's hardly uncommon for elves and humans and orcs and so forth to inbreed and create viable offspring. It may not work in the real world, but last I checked, there are a few key differences between Hyrule and the real world.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 08:41 PM

But link is manly! of course he has sex! lol

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:06 PM

In fantasy settings, it's hardly uncommon for elves and humans and orcs and so forth to inbreed and create viable offspring.


However, Elves and Humans are at least very similar. Humans and Zora aren't. Regarding half-orcs, the only ones I've heard about were the Uruk-Hai from The Lord of the Rings, and it was implied that it took some sort of evil powers to create them. Also, I recall sources saying that Tolkien orcs were corrupted Elves and Humans.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:30 PM

as for Legend of the Fairy, it really doesn't match up to MM.

Wait, what?

Since when did Tingle ever save Link and found a tradition on certain islands of dressing up as Tingle?

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:31 PM

I was talking more in the realms of Dungeons & Dragons (and many, many other fantasy worlds), not just Tolkien. Basically the point being, it's actually rare that fantasy (and even sci-fi!) ever closely follow real biology.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:56 PM

I was talking more in the realms of Dungeons & Dragons (and many, many other fantasy worlds), not just Tolkien. Basically the point being, it's actually rare that fantasy (and even sci-fi!) ever closely follow real biology.


The only time I've ever heard of a "half-breed" was when it involved Humans and Elves or the Uruk-Hai. Besides, in those works we're shown the "half-breeds". In this scenario people on ZU are more or less pulling something out of their ass.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 11:56 PM

We know from OoT that interbreeding between Gerudo and Hylians is possible, but the non-human races may be a different story. We know that Zora lay eggs, so a Zora/human hybrid is probably impossible.

And as for the Uruk-hai example, the half-human aspect was an invention of the movie. In the book Treebeard just speculates that Saruman might have crossed men with orcs, as he's violated all the laws of nature already. But then Orcs are supposed to be descendants of elves anyway, who can interbreed with humans. Agh! Brain hurts!

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 12:17 AM

We know from OoT that interbreeding between Gerudo and Hylians is possible, but the non-human races may be a different story.


Hylians and Gerudos are obviously humans though, so them breeding makes sense seeing as how they're the same species with different ethnicities. Zora are a different story.

And as for the Uruk-hai example, the half-human aspect was an invention of the movie.


Weren't they literally dug out of the earth in the movies?

In the book Treebeard just speculates that Saruman might have crossed men with orcs, as he's violated all the laws of nature already.


Ah, so Treebeard was just making a "Hell, this psycho's so far gone that he probably bred those things," statement instead of a fact or a proper analysis. It's been years since I read the books, so my memory is a little foggy.

But then Orcs are supposed to be descendants of elves anyway, who can interbreed with humans.


Yeah, I mentioned that already. Some Orcs are also supposedly corrupted Elves.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 12:17 AM

It's a videogame people. Who is to say a human can't have a baby with a Zora? Like, Link can breathe underwater by wearing different clothes. That don't even cover his face.

Besides, maybe the Postman had a human descendent who had a baby with a Rito. They seem a little more similar to humans, if that makes it any more believable for you.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 09:28 AM

when did Tingle ever save Link

The legend of the fairy says Tingle saved him by venturing into dangerous areas ahead of him and drawing maps, which is what he did in MM.

and found a tradition on certain islands of dressing up as Tingle?

Obviously it happened later. Or should we believe that TWW does not continue the story of OoT because there's stuff like that inbetween?

We know from OoT that interbreeding between Gerudo and Hylians is possible

OoT only says the Gerudo take Hylians as boyfriend, not whether they can interbreed (though I agree that it is likely)

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 12:26 PM

In fantasy, any race can fuck any other race and pop a hybrid baby out. Or do I need to find fiction examples of "Half-dragon angel/demons with elven ancestry on their mother's side"?

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:20 PM

Orcs are descended from Elves in LotR. Elves and Humans can crossbreed, but the resulting children must then choose whether to be Elves or Humans.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:26 PM

You know, as much as I love Lord of the Rings, Tolkien isn't the only guy who ever wrote fantasy (as difficult as that is to believe).

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 03:21 PM

Just clearing up the Tolkien talk... But fantasy generally abides by its own rules of biology. And mythology does too, I guess; apparently humans can crossbreed with bulls and swans and wahtnot.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 04:43 PM

In fantasy, any race can fuck any other race and pop a hybrid baby out. Or do I need to find fiction examples of "Half-dragon angel/demons with elven ancestry on their mother's side"?


In those cases we at least see the half-breed. As I explained earlier, the ZU guys are mainly pulling this out of their asses.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:14 PM

Never know, Technically Link (OoT) married a fish, if he didnt leave Hyrule he woulda had a fucked up merman baby......

1) He got engaged, not married. 2) In OoA he gets engaged to the seed of a tree..............

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 04:41 AM

In fantasy, any race can fuck any other race and pop a hybrid baby out. Or do I need to find fiction examples of "Half-dragon angel/demons with elven ancestry on their mother's side"?


In those cases we at least see the half-breed. As I explained earlier, the ZU guys are mainly pulling this out of their asses.

Uh, not really. There would be no reason to mention that his ancestor was a postman if it wasn't a reference to the guy who lived centuries earlier who is also a postman and looks just like him. And the Running Man doesn't necessarily have to become a postman for it to work. Maybe it was the Postman from Majora's Mask. People CAN travel between Hyrule and Termina.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 10:33 AM

People CAN travel between Hyrule and Termina.


Mind=blown

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 12:23 PM

People CAN travel between Hyrule and Termina.


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Alternatively, it could be the postman from TMC but it doesn't matter in the slightest because it's an Easter Egg.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 12:40 PM

Easter Eggs are the most important thing of all. My timeline is based entirely around the Four Sword Dungeon in A Link to the Past

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 01:15 PM

Alternatively, it's the Postman from TP, and he pulled a Legend of the Fairy by going to Termina and then to the other timeline where TWW is.




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