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#241 Raien

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 07:14 PM

The Twilight franchise can be summed up thus: a lower quality product which takes advantage of an unforeseen market (Teenage girls being part of the void left behind by Harry Potter), having different values from it's competitors(focus on romance and rather than plot or characterization.) It's more accessible than other books of its type.

thanks to such things as paradigms, these people have a reason to call it boring, stale, or uneventful. In the world of today, those things in a film or novel just lead the reviewers and readers alike to "piece of crap".

Laz's comment here perfectly illustrates how Twilight's 'values' are different than a normal book.

This, my friend, is disruption at work, which may explain some of the hate towards Twilight.


You've been reading Malstrom! ;)

Seriously, anyone who hasn't read this guy's work yet, go to the topic in the Gaming subforum. It'll be probably the most enjoyable collection of business articles you'll ever read.

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 09:03 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/jan/2...ction.features1

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 09:36 PM

Do you know how many Mills & Boon books there are? *Goes to look it up* Looks like they churn out 72 new ones a month. Obviously they're targeted at slightly older women than Twilight, but as you say, they sell in their millions; just look at this article:

http://www.guardian....ction.features1


This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. By being the sole provider of material for a specific audience, you can make millions from it.

It's also interesting to see the Guardian reconfirm the pretentiousness of the book industry that Malstrom raises in one of his "news" articles. The way they arrange their bestsellers list is to eliminate anything they do not consider worthy of critical appeal or artistic status (including Harry Potter), and this industry focus is actually killing the industry in general. How stupid.

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 10:41 PM

You've been reading Malstrom! ;)

I sure have, and in fact,

It's also interesting to see the Guardian reconfirm the pretentiousness of the book industry that Malstrom raises in one of his "news" articles. The way they arrange their bestsellers list is to eliminate anything they do not consider worthy of critical appeal or artistic status (including Harry Potter), and this industry focus is actually killing the industry in general. How stupid.

I just barely read this.

Honestly, I have to second Raien's recommendation. Even if you're not that interested in games; as you can see, I've found what probably is the reason for not only Twilight's success, but its backlash.

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 11:29 PM

http:www.mylifeistwilight.com It's like FML, but for people who don't realize their lives suck. "I was bike shopping, and I had narrowed it down to two bike. One a city bike; silver, and slender and the other a brown, mountain bike made for the outdoors. I suddenly made the connection between the bikes and twilght! I couldn't decide which bike to get until I remembered Bella always chose Edward"

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 10:29 PM

Hey guys, God hates Twilight, so follow His example and stop liking it.

Isaiah 21:4

My heart falters,
fear makes me tremble;
the twilight I longed for
has become a horror to me.


Isaiah 1:14

Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts
my soul hates.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.


Edited by Fizzbit, 06 December 2009 - 10:29 PM.


#247 Elvenlord

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 10:57 PM

You win the thread.
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 10:27 PM

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Here, fatty, fatty.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 10:42 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry, I just... don't think the fatty thing is gonna go down well, considering there are still some girls here that like Twilight.

#250 Emiko

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 10:45 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry, I just... don't think the fatty thing is gonna go down well, considering there are still some girls here that like Twilight.



.....I wasn't going to touch it....they seem like a spammer to me......

Edited by Kawaii Emiko, 07 December 2009 - 10:45 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:36 PM

http://microsuede.bl...a-new-moon.html

New Moon, summarized in lolcats.

#252 Emiko

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:48 PM

http://microsuede.bl...a-new-moon.html

New Moon, summarized in lolcats.


Thats cute =D

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:57 PM

That was a wonderful rendition of New Moon.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 03:21 PM

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 04:00 PM

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Lmao ... I never thought about that...

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 01:14 PM

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Here, fatty, fatty.

Not only is this just... well, not funny... it doesn't make a lick of sense, either. How the hell does he look like a foot? I just don't get it. :rolleyes:

#257 Emiko

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 01:39 PM


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Here, fatty, fatty.

Not only is this just... well, not funny... it doesn't make a lick of sense, either. How the hell does he look like a foot? I just don't get it. :rolleyes:



I didn't get it either... :facepalm: I will keep my opinions to myself

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 08:07 PM

On the love/hate thing:

We all have our guilty pleasures. Some rather respected members still collect and love Transformers, even though the original series is kind of crap compared to other shows within the same genre. A lot of us watch anime, which can be a spawning pit for dorky guilty pleasure in general. This is a forum originally dedicated for theorizing a Zelda timeline that probably doesn't exist and if it does, is one of the most needlessly complicated storylines ever created. Some of us probably read fanfics, which are definitely guilty pleasures. A smaller number have probably written them. We all have a book, a movie, a show, whatever that we know is horrible. But we like it anyway, and often for no sensible reason.

So yes. Most of the people making fun of Twilight are guilty of the same kind of thing.

Twilight has fallen into the same media-hate-niche that Halo did. Halo was not a very original game. The storyline in the actual games, especially the first one, was mostly unimpressive and had to be fleshed out by novels and media on the side. Halo's best feature was accessible multiplayer, and it was obvious that other shooters dominated the immersive single player experience. But Halo gained many fans, and they went nuts over it. They wouldn't shut up about it, and they would react to criticism in a hostile manner. That hostile reaction encouraged the detractors to get even louder. Soon we had shouting matches, and both sides became overly sensitive.

Twilight has the same problem. When you get down to it, Twilight is a clean Harlequin novel for young girls. It was written for fun by a novice and then submitted for publication on a dare. It's pretty obvious that there wasn't much planning involved when it comes to the plot, especially throughout the series as a whole. It's not an epic with every meticulous detail planned out by a professional. Meyer got lucky after being rejected multiple times, and it helps that vampire/werewolf/supernatural stories like that are easy sells.

The problem lies in the fanbase, because a significant portion don't realize that they're reading a clean Harlequin novel for young girls and assume it's quality fiction. Just like the fans of Halo didn't realize that other games were better. That generates the "oh come ON" response that detractors have. Then the shouting matches get bigger and bigger until everyone hates each other. Then even casual fans who DO recognize it as a guilty pleasure feel ganged up on by default, and they lash out as well.


Popularity

So if it's clear that Twilight is horribly written and has a convoluted plot, why is it so popular? As mentioned above, it could appeal to an untapped niche (sappy eye-candy for women). Although it could simply be due to the emotional strings it tugs on - I've noticed that people, especially women, will keep reading something they know is crap if they can get some kind of emotional catharsis from it. Twilight touches on teenage angst, first love, a man devoting his entire life to one woman, and an otherwise ordinary girl being fought over by two hunky men occasionally minus a shirt or two. Most female readers respond well to all those emotions, therefor, they eat the book up despite all its failings.

Romance novels tend to be porn for women. Okay, that's usually trashy romance novels. But this is like... entry level for the youngin's, or for the older women who just like the emotional ride they get rather than the figurative physical one. Chelsea Handler has ranted about this phenomenon before, and I can try to find that clip if you want, but you probably get my point. I think she was saying something along the lines of "I can't just wank it to the thought of Johnny Depp. There's no context, no story! I mean, why I am even in the same place as Johnny Depp? Doesn't he have kids? What about his girlfriend? No! How did this happen? I can't just randomly be screwing Johnny Depp!" It's all about the story and lead up - that little flirtatious 'dance' that leads up to sex. That's why every romance novel is full of needless complications that ups the drama and 'romance' of it all. Pride and Prejudice wouldn't be so well loved if Lizzy met Darcy and said, "Pardon me, sir, but I find you most attractive. Would you be interested in courting me?" "Yes, madame, I would." The end.

Likewise, male-oriented books (generally speaking) might have more logic involved, but at the expense of emotion. Even the Lenabot gets put off if an otherwise interesting novel has no emotion to latch on to. That's why I sometimes have a difficult time reading classics - the authors held back on emotion quite a bit compared to contemporary writers.



Twilight as Art
I'm of the opinion that just about everything in the media is art. Like it or not, Twilight is probably going to be an influence. There is such a thing as "bad art."





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I hate Twilight, I'm just trying to be realistic here.

Edited by Selena, 09 December 2009 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2009 - 09:19 PM

You know, it suddenly occurred to me that the plot for Twilight is a lot like that for rip off of the manga/anime Chibi Vampire/Karin, with the genders switched... Well, the premise for both, anyway. Transfer student (living with single parent) moves to a new school where a daywalking vampire from a family of vampires has been successfully hiding their true nature for years. However, the transfer student's blood is exactly the kind that drives the vampire wild, forcing them to avoid the transfer student; this hurts the transfer student's feelings. Said transfer student ultimately discovers the vampire's secret, leading to a blossoming romance?
Though, the similarities kind of stop there.


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Posted 09 December 2009 - 09:25 PM

You know, it suddenly occurred to me that the plot for Twilight is a lot like that for rip off of the manga/anime Chibi Vampire/Karin, with the genders switched... Well, the premise for both, anyway. Transfer student (living with single parent) moves to a new school where a daywalking vampire from a family of vampires has been successfully hiding their true nature for years. However, the transfer student's blood is exactly the kind that drives the vampire wild, forcing them to avoid the transfer student; this hurts the transfer student's feelings. Said transfer student ultimately discovers the vampire's secret, leading to a blossoming romance?
Though, the similarities kind of stop there.



O_O...that is strange...

I know that the author was sued for plagiarism over the last book. But I don't think anything came up from that.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 09:28 PM

http://microsuede.bl...a-new-moon.html

New Moon, summarized in lolcats.



This just made my day
Oh lol cats, you never fail me... xD

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 10:31 PM

I found something funny..

Twilight is labeled under "horror" section on netflix....specifically teen screams. lol

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 10:45 PM

That is awesome. Sublimial messaging ;d

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 11:18 PM

So, my friend just sent me this link involving the famous 'twilight fans' and I thought it was funny so I figured I'd post it to see your takes on it. Funny thing is I can almost see this happening in real life haha:


http://www.hulu.com/...ve-lab-partners

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 11:53 PM

Nationalist bastards grr*

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:37 AM

So, my friend just sent me this link involving the famous 'twilight fans' and I thought it was funny so I figured I'd post it to see your takes on it. Funny thing is I can almost see this happening in real life haha:


http://www.hulu.com/watch/114945/saturday-night-live-lab-partners

SNL is the best at poking fun without malice. XD

The best part was Taylor whats-his-face kissing the picture of Pattinson. XD

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:48 AM


So, my friend just sent me this link involving the famous 'twilight fans' and I thought it was funny so I figured I'd post it to see your takes on it. Funny thing is I can almost see this happening in real life haha:


http://www.hulu.com/watch/114945/saturday-night-live-lab-partners

SNL is the best at poking fun without malice. XD

The best part was Taylor whats-his-face kissing the picture of Pattinson. XD




By far lol xD I couldn't believe it was actually him. The reverse of it all was just hilarious xD

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 06:15 AM

Haters. :cucco:

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 08:11 PM

Haha, even EA is jumping on the Twilight Parody bandwagon. XD


Edited by Chiaki, 16 December 2009 - 08:46 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2009 - 09:36 PM

Haha, even EA is jumping on the Twilight Parody bandwagon. XD




OMG no way lmaoooooooo the Sims??? Seriously?? That's just way too funny...




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