I wanna see proof the of the split that isn't a creator quote, then I will believe. How wasn't it a time loop? It was present, you closed it by obtaining the song. I dont even think that it was made clear in WW that the hero statues were OoT.
It technically wasn't a perfect timeloop because it didn't involve the generation of information out of nowhere. It's an irrelevant point though, as Zelda time travel isn't consistent across the board. A split does have to exist, since TWW and TP can't coexist at all on a timeline.
It's debatable, and using all caps isn't going to change that.
It's really not. It's currently one of the few absolute facts of timeline placement we have. What are your reasons for doubting it?
What doesn't present problems? Kid Link presumaby retained his memories of the erased future, just as Marty McFly did, and probably used his story, and his possession of the ToC, as proof that he was the Hero of Time. It takes some stretching to fit, but again, nothing doesn't, and I'm not really going for anyone else's approval.
Yea, so? Child Link presenting that information would change history, and would neatly lead into TP's backstory. However, in a single timeline, this would break any timeloop you have going due to a changed future, and TWW, which requires the events of OOT's Adult Future, cannot happen.
Again, I don't believe in a split timeline, and I don't believe that both games require no non-MM games to occur between them and OoT.
Still the above problem.
It's only "dumb" because you're misreading it. All I said was that I don't think the creators care as much as they claim to in interviews about clarifying the storyline. TP is ambiguous as shit regarding this stuff, yet they claim they're trying to clarify sutff? No sale.
It's not ambiguous. They didn't use the name, but they used every other cue to make you think "Triforce" without holding your hand. That's what good storytelling is. You'd have to be a complete moron (or completely unintroduced to Zelda) to not think Triforce. And indeed, this forum has those sorts of morons.
True, but the point is, there are way more things to disagree about, meaning a consensus on pretty much anything, including what had a consensus way back when, has been rendered essentially impossible.
Well, aside from the placement of TMC, my timeline represents the current general consensus. Consensus can exist, but if you're asking for EVERYONE to agree, then that's just foolishness.
Yeah, I could have worded that better. It's plot-heavy compared to Mega Man or Street Fighter. Creator quotes being canon in those cases, I'll totally go for, mainly because there's very little story covered in the games themselves (especially Street Fighter), and the creators' comments really only cover stuff like who won which tournaments, who meets whom (Dan and Sagat, ect.), or what the flying hell the Zero Virus actually is. And I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've brought that up.
So then if a Zelda creator who's shown interest in the story, and who's helped to actually clarify things, (yea, I know, TP's Triforce thing, but he's not responsible for that) makes a comment on the timeline, it's pretty hypocritical of you to just say "it doesn't count." We have about as much information on the timeline at large as we do on Megaman and Street Fighter as a whole.
Honestly, I wouldn't be so against a split if the two timelines reconverged at some point (like davo's waaaaay old Creation of the Dark World idea). It's just the idea of having two separate "universes" in the property that bothers me.
So you're throwing out evidence, ignoring problems in the timeline, and ignoring creator intent simply because you don't like the idea, despite the huge metaphysical headache merging timelines would do (going so far as to have made games never happen). Lovely.
I'm sorry, but everyone seems to have concluded the hero referred to in TP is the Hero of Time, despite the game never using that terminology, and won't hear a word against it. That's assuming more than is given in text.
Deeds are attributed to the Legendary Hero that only the Hero of Time ever completed, such as saving the Zora the last time they froze over.
Okay it's incredibly stupid. I'd mention Ganon getting around that whole perfect seal business after Ocarina's ending without someone else's help, and moving above and below with no limitations despite the Master Sword supposedly acting as the key to keeping time frozen, but that'd be incredibly stupid, so I won't.
Please tell me you weren't thinking of quoting a Lex theory.
3) Why not? (I cropped the rest because it doesn't answer the question. Put yourself back in 2001/2 first MPS. Was there any GOOD reason why we couldn't play as the incarnation of Link we've all come to know and love most?)
Don't speak for all of us. OOT Link was never the most important Link or anything, and Nintendo has a trend of putting two games per Link, it seems. OOT Link went back in time, and, well, you know, he can't live for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. Not to mention that, 2001/2 or not, it's always been the game's theme about letting go of the past. The King of Red Lions and the other guardian deities keep expecting the Hero of Time to return, and keep trying to groom TWW Link into his replacement, but ultimately he has to surpass their expectations and be a hero in his own way.
Not sure how its canonical when the creators can't give a rat's arse about it MPS. This is an inherent problem with Zelda's storyline, one I don't expect you or anyone else to resolve easily.
Aonuma, the guy who confirmed the split, gives a rat's ass. His intent as a developer is to make the story more clear and coherent, aware of the concern of the fans.
You mean "gimmick" with regards to terminology. After you restore the Light Spirits early on in the game and converted Hyrule back to normal, the wolf form becomes pathetically obsolete. Half your changes into wolf-form aren't even intentional, they just plot devices, much akin to the useless pink rabbit Link from ALTTP.
Even after you save the Light Spirits, there's loads of scenes that require you to be Wolf Link, and Wolf Link possesses abilities that human Link does not, but ultimately requires. TWW's sailing was pathetically linear, and you weren't much allowed to leave your straight line path until you collected all the Pearls. Then after you get the power to teleport, it's "pathetically obsolete." And LTTP and OOT didn't even have a gameplay mechanic, it's just map-shifting. And LA etc. etc. etc.
Yeah we'll go with that IF ON THE BASIS that it makes you happy, which I doubt. To be honest I care for this now about as much as Shigeru Miyamoto does.
Then why argue? Joeymartin gave his reasons for denying a split, what are yours?
For the forseeable future, yes, but it does leave open the possibilty it being restored somehow, what with Ganondorf's spiel before the Phantom Ganon fight, and especially the Deku Tree's plan.
Ganondorf is deluded and is contradicted by King Daphnes, who says that Hyrule is gone and any new land wouldn't be Hyrule. Even the Deku Tree's plan seems unrealistic and ambitious. IMO, it's just tying back to how the Deku Tree, like other characters, obsessively cling to the past instead of looking to the future.
And it has nothing to do with gameplay or feel. It's kinda similar to how a lot of Star Trek fans felt screwed by the new movie, since the reboot rendered all the previous media "illegitimate." I know that's not really the case, but that's how some people took it. It just feels cheap to me to know that some events happen in different universes, rather than being one unified series. And don't throw Termina or Koholint in my face; you know what I mean.
Multiverses is common in series like that. The Star Trek reboot happened in it's own universe, since the events allowing for the timeline thing could never happen in the timeline we were familiar with. What's the problem with having multiple universes? It doesn't keep the series from being unified; look at Mega Man.
