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[Average Gamer]

lol

After defeating him in the East Courtyard (or west, for Gamecube) of Hyrule Castle, he will give up and accept defeat, talking to Link for the first and last time and telling him "I serve the strongest side...that is all I have ever known", implying that as a child King Bulblin did not learn how to love and was not taught emotions by his parents.

Just breaks your heart, doesn't it?

That's just priceless.

Edited by Average Gamer, 26 January 2010 - 09:40 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Psychology fail.

He probably thinks rape victims ask for it.

Edited by MikePetersSucks, 27 January 2010 - 03:16 AM.

[Moriatti]

I've always liked the idea that Gannondorf really hates skeletons, which is why he killed all of the ones in Hyrule field, which is why there are none in the adult timeline.

[Average Gamer]

I've always liked the idea that Gannondorf really hates skeletons, which is why he killed all of the ones in Hyrule field, which is why there are none in the adult timeline.

I once saw someone claim that the Stalchildren were terrified of Ganondorf and were constantly hiding underground so as to avoid his attention by any means necessary.

[Moriatti]

Hmm, maybe, but I always liked to joke that Ganon was actually a somewhat decent guy who was trying to end the dominance of the Hylians, and Link was being tricked by Zelda into killing him.

[MikePetersSucks]

Yea, except for all the genocide, and killing of children and entire species and innocent deities and warping the fabric existence into a dark, lifeless parody of itself where all of mankind is turned into a bunch of horrific monsters, Ganon was TOTALLY a nice guy who was just misunderstood.

[Moriatti]

Genocide? What are you talking about? That Zora incident? What proof do we have that that wasn't Hryule's side of the war? It's not like they won't resort to mass destruction just to screw him over (Wind Waker's back story)

Heck, with Godesses like that, who needs demons?

And as for warping reality into a twisted parody of it's self? Ganon destroyed Hyrule castle town, sure, but really, all they had done was oppose the Zoras, Gorons and Geurudos, the only reason Link sides with them is because when he was raised as a Kokiri, and being on the other side of the map, Hyrule had not yet expanded that far. However, after Ganon's rule, Kakriko is booming, the Gerudo kingdom is restored to a military power, the Goron mines are able to be explored again, as the main Goron eating predator is locked inside a single room. Sure, Zora's domain was lost (thanks to the Hylians) and Kokiri village is briefly attacked, but really, at WORST that's 2 for 2, and really, Ganon just hadn't gotten around to removing the monsters from Kokiri yet.

Heck, given that the Redeads are most often seen in graves of the royal family, and we only see one or two other Shieka otherwise, I think it's safe to assume that Ganon was attempting to return Hyrule town to the Shieka people as well, and while that may have failed, I think we had a grand total of ONE guard die, and everyone else was somehow as if BY MAGIC moved safely to Kakriko village.

Ganon's problem isn't evil, it's over ambition, and a cowardly populace who's used to oppressing those that look different.

[MikePetersSucks]

Genocide? What are you talking about? That Zora incident? What proof do we have that that wasn't Hryule's side of the war? It's not like they won't resort to mass destruction just to screw him over (Wind Waker's back story)

Heck, with Godesses like that, who needs demons?

LOL, OOT future wants to speak with you.

And as for warping reality into a twisted parody of it's self? Ganon destroyed Hyrule castle town, sure, but really, all they had done was oppose the Zoras, Gorons and Geurudos, the only reason Link sides with them is because when he was raised as a Kokiri, and being on the other side of the map, Hyrule had not yet expanded that far. However, after Ganon's rule, Kakriko is booming, the Gerudo kingdom is restored to a military power, the Goron mines are able to be explored again, as the main Goron eating predator is locked inside a single room. Sure, Zora's domain was lost (thanks to the Hylians) and Kokiri village is briefly attacked, but really, at WORST that's 2 for 2, and really, Ganon just hadn't gotten around to removing the monsters from Kokiri yet.

LTTP.

[Moriatti]

To be honest, I didn't see anything in that void until Ganon created it, and since I'm pretty sure the legends are slanted towards the Hylian's viewpoints....

[MikePetersSucks]

LTTP's Ending implies that the Sacred Realm is naturally a green place like Hyrule. We never see the Sacred Realm in OOT, either. just the inside of a temple inside of the Sacred Realm.

[Moriatti]

Then it's Hylian propoganda.

[MikePetersSucks]

Which is?

[Moriatti]

Of course we can't have a Gerudo rule us, do you remember that one time one did?

Don't joke about Gorons or Zoras either, we all know that their nations crumbled at the first signs of danger long ago.

It's all a ploy by the racist Hylian Dynasty, don't be fooled.

[ganonlord6000]

I found a thread on another site about the manga POSSIBLY being canon. I mentioned before that it could have its own canon. Not all of them follow their counterparts in the universe of the games (i.g. TMC).

And check this out. It seems that Lex has ZI on his side. While the theories proposed in this thread are plausible, some of the responses are insane.

*Anjean says that man no longer needs the spirits guidance- this enough tells me that TMC's BS is before OoT. (However TMC doesn't have to be).

Like this. Wouldn't TMC's BS be directly before it? ST is TWW all over again.

[Pinecove]

To be fair, I think the person who posted that doesn't really have a timeline. The theory itself is quite interesting.

http://www.zeldauniv...fect-sense.html

This one on the other hand does NOT have any good ideas in it.

[Moriatti]

I love trolls. They make me laugh.

[Average Gamer]

And check this out. It seems that Lex has ZI on his side.

ZI was pretty much built to fellate the Bombers and crazy stuff in general, so that's not very surprising. Few of us post on ZI to offer counterpoints anyway, as it's time-consuming enough to shoot stuff down on here and on ZU.

Regarding the "ST Hyrule is part of Old Hyrule" theory, that would still completely miss the point of TWW, as the people would just be running to the same old land and culture instead of letting go and moving on. Also, ST Hyrule is supposed to be incredibly far from Old Hyrule and even the Ocean King's realm/territory.

Additionally, the Japanese version of ALttP implies that the Sacred Realm is only a parallel of Hyrule and is thus smaller than the Light World:

Link, good job coming this far for me. You were, after all, the legendary "Hero".

I've had that feeling since the time we first met.
... ... ...

Ganon erected a barrier on Death Mountain's tower, and is waiting for the time when he will slip through the passage between the two worlds.

If Ganon were to come to the World of Light, it might no longer be possible to catch him.

But, if he's inside this bounded space, you can find him unfailingly no matter where he runs.

Now, taking the seven crystals, let us hurry to Ganon's Tower.
We will break the barrier with our power.

　Link ...
Let's take our peaceful country unfailingly ... ...

The original makes it sound like Ganon is trying to run away... The verb used for his attempted passage to the Light World has a nuance of escaping, and the problem if Ganon enters the Light World seems to be more one of 'catching' him than beating him.

From reading the NOA version, it might be confusing why the Dark World is a "closed space." From the original version, it is clearer that the Dark World is "bound," meaning that the Sages' Seal limits where Ganon can go.

On a final note, the Japanese version of OoT blatantly states that the Triforce was kept in the center of the Sacred Realm in the Temple of Light, matching up with the Triforce resting in the Pyramid of Power in ALttP.

奴は　聖地の中心…　この光の神殿で トライフォースを　手に入れ、その力で　魔王となったのじゃ。
He acquired the Triforce in the center of this Sacred Land...in this Temple of Light. And with that power he became the Maou.
He obtained the Triforce from the Temple of Light, and with its power, he became the King of Evil...

Considering how the portals between Hyrule and the Dark World worked in ALttP, ALttP would have to occur in Old Hyrule, making it impossible for ALttP to occur on the AT.

Edited by Average Gamer, 04 February 2010 - 01:52 AM.

[Fin]

Anyone remember the game where it was revealed that Link was born to a virgin mother? I loved that one.

Edited by Fin, 09 February 2010 - 11:06 AM.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

My favourite kooky theory so far?

http://tvtropes.org/...heLegendOfZelda

It's the "The Goddesses always intended for Ganondorf to wield the Triforce of Power" one in the above link. I particularly like this bit: "Thus, we can conclude that Ganondorf is only Necessarily Evil, and that the intense "hatred" between Link and him is just business, nothing personal. After it's all over, he, Link, and Zelda all probably sit around playing poker in the afterlife while they discuss the best way to destroy Hyrule without screwing things up too much."

[Moriatti]

Dude, I love pretending Ganon is a good guy.

Edited by Moriatti, 11 February 2010 - 12:03 AM.

[ganonlord6000]

Dude, I love pretending Ganon is a good guy.

I can't believe some people think he's a good guy.

Anyone remember the game where it was revealed that Link was born to a virgin mother? I loved that one.

Never heard that one before. That's ZU for you. I can't even begin to imagine where people come up with this stuff!

[Wolf O'Donnell]

I particularly love the ones that suggest Link is an anti-Semitic white supremacist.

[ganonlord6000]

I particularly love the ones that suggest Link is an anti-Semitic white supremacist.

Now I know why I like staying on LA. All the other sites are scary. Especially ZU and IGN. I remember seeing one once which said that Agunim was Ganon's son or something (There should be a link to a site with this theory and a few others a couple of pages back). All of these Agunim theories would be shut down if people actually played the end of ALTTP when it said that he WAS Ganon. Actually, ALTTP seems to be the one which should stop stupid theories in their tracks. Like the one from ZU a few days ago. I couldn't get past the first post. It was that bad (and my computer was being stupid).

[Raien]

Interesting note (not really a kooky theory, but it's the best place to mention this):

The UK's Nintendo Official Magazine have recently published what they believe to be the Zelda timeline. As timelines from mainstream publications go, this is probably the best, although they do make one major mistake. The timeline goes like this:

TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-MM-TP-LoZ-AoL-ALttP-LA-OoS-OoA
TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-TWW-PH

Obviously, the big mistake is that it places LoZ-AoL before ALttP-LA. Otherwise, all the other placements are either accurate or up for debate anyway.

Edited by Raien, 21 February 2010 - 06:38 PM.

[Person]

Interesting note (not really a kooky theory, but it's the best place to mention this):

The UK's Nintendo Official Magazine have recently published what they believe to be the Zelda timeline. As timelines from mainstream publications go, this is probably the best, although they do make one major mistake. The timeline goes like this:

TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-MM-TP-LoZ-AoL-ALttP-LA-OoS-OoA
TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-TWW-PH

Obviously, the big mistake is that it places LoZ-AoL before ALttP-LA. Otherwise, all the other placements are either accurate or up for debate anyway.

Probably taking Miyamoto at face value. Otherwise, there's not too much inaccurate with it.

[MikePetersSucks]

Looks like they forgot Spirit Tracks though, or was it not released yet during this publication?

[Jarsh]

I believe this is the latest issue, so it must have simply been an (obvious) oversight on their part.

[Raien]

It's the latest publication, but it was probably me that forgot to tack ST onto the end when I wrote that post.

[ganonlord6000]

Interesting note (not really a kooky theory, but it's the best place to mention this):

The UK's Nintendo Official Magazine have recently published what they believe to be the Zelda timeline. As timelines from mainstream publications go, this is probably the best, although they do make one major mistake. The timeline goes like this:

TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-MM-TP-LoZ-AoL-ALttP-LA-OoS-OoA
TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-TWW-PH

Obviously, the big mistake is that it places LoZ-AoL before ALttP-LA. Otherwise, all the other placements are either accurate or up for debate anyway.

That isn't too bad. I think FSA might work best either before ALTTP or OOT. But the loz-alttp will never make sense to me. I'd like to see timelines from other publications. Actually, how would LOZ-FSA-ALTTP work out?

[Person]

Interesting note (not really a kooky theory, but it's the best place to mention this):

The UK's Nintendo Official Magazine have recently published what they believe to be the Zelda timeline. As timelines from mainstream publications go, this is probably the best, although they do make one major mistake. The timeline goes like this:

TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-MM-TP-LoZ-AoL-ALttP-LA-OoS-OoA
TMC-FS-FSA-OoT-TWW-PH

Obviously, the big mistake is that it places LoZ-AoL before ALttP-LA. Otherwise, all the other placements are either accurate or up for debate anyway.

That isn't too bad. I think FSA might work best either before ALTTP or OOT. But the loz-alttp will never make sense to me. I'd like to see timelines from other publications. Actually, how would LOZ-FSA-ALTTP work out?

It doesn't, really.