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[Jarsh]

^Wow I can't believe ZI of all places would have an article THAT bad and stupid.

I have no idea why a form letter from NoA that dates back to 2003 is suddenly being used for the "There is no timeline" debacle. They saw it on Destructoid, so it must be true!

I pointed that out in the comments of that article coincidentally as soon as the article came up because it said "Nintendo of America rep", which is just wrong. Later, I found my comment was gone and the article simply says "Nintendo of America" now, so I guess they deleted it the first time and "fixed" it.

[ganonlord6000]

Tell him that if you have to make stuff up to support your theory, it's not a good theory. I can say that every game except OoT was a dream if I wanted to, but it wouldn't make it true.

And speaking of TMC,
"War of the Bound Chest"

Didn't someone already mention this here?

"The Truth About the Timeline"

Yes, people are still believing the "There is no timeline" bullcrap from earlier this year, even though NoJ has said numerous times that there is a timeline.

I had to make a video a couple of months ago to show youtube and other sites that that response was stupid. Especially considering TWW was a sequel to OOT in the first place. Speaking of my youtube videos, I am making a video showing how flawed the single timeline is.

[ganonlord6000]

I made some progress on youtube with the guy who put TMC last. I finally convinced him that his time travel theory was wrong due to time travel having nothing to do with the game. He still says it can possibly go after FSA, but at least I made a little progress. Oh. Any idea where Zeldapedia got the idea that almost everyone thinks that OOT is the IW mentioned in ALTTP? Where have they been for the last 7 years? Seriously. They need to play TWW and look at the scene in the Forsaken Fortress. I will try and edit their IW article. This will take about..well... a long time if I get in an edit war. Zelda Wiki is much better than that one.

Edit: I just finished editing Zeldapedia's IW article.

Edited by ganonlord6000, 09 November 2009 - 05:11 PM.

[Average Gamer]

http://www.zeldauniv...e-and-well.html

Ultra kooky.

[Person]

And so now, considering the other nine games, just what do you have to work with? Legend of Zelda, A Link to the Past, and Four Swords Adventures all involve Ganondorf somehow taking over Hyrule! However, not a single one of them reveals anything about removing the Master Sword from Ganondorf?s personage. (A few might be crafty to mention that Ganon was, in fact, resurrected in the linked Oracle game, but they resurrected Ganon, not Ganondorf. This besides, Twinrova wouldn?t have been able to pull out the Master Sword from their master?s stomach since the blade can only be held by one who is good, thank you, Ocarina of Time. This is besides the point that Zelda tells you at the end of the Oracles that ?wisdom and courage were able to prevent Twinrova?s planned resurrection of Ganon? [emphasis mine]. That means canon suggests that Ganon?s officially gone (again) at the end of the game. Sorry, no dice, guys.)

Apparently he didn't see the Master Sword in the Lost Woods in the ending.

[ganonlord6000]

And so now, considering the other nine games, just what do you have to work with? Legend of Zelda, A Link to the Past, and Four Swords Adventures all involve Ganondorf somehow taking over Hyrule! However, not a single one of them reveals anything about removing the Master Sword from Ganondorf?s personage. (A few might be crafty to mention that Ganon was, in fact, resurrected in the linked Oracle game, but they resurrected Ganon, not Ganondorf. This besides, Twinrova wouldn?t have been able to pull out the Master Sword from their master?s stomach since the blade can only be held by one who is good, thank you, Ocarina of Time. This is besides the point that Zelda tells you at the end of the Oracles that ?wisdom and courage were able to prevent Twinrova?s planned resurrection of Ganon? [emphasis mine]. That means canon suggests that Ganon?s officially gone (again) at the end of the game. Sorry, no dice, guys.)

Apparently he didn't see the Master Sword in the Lost Woods in the ending.

Why does ZU act like they never watched the ending of TP past Ganon's death? They say that the MS wasn't in the pedestal and that the mirror of Twilight wasn't destroyed at the end? Oh. It seems that people on ZI (I've been on there a lot this week (I can't get here during the week because I usually use my high school library computer and they blocked LA) can't see TP's obviously foreshadowing ALTTP. They say nintendo just recycled the location.

[Person]

And so now, considering the other nine games, just what do you have to work with? Legend of Zelda, A Link to the Past, and Four Swords Adventures all involve Ganondorf somehow taking over Hyrule! However, not a single one of them reveals anything about removing the Master Sword from Ganondorf?s personage. (A few might be crafty to mention that Ganon was, in fact, resurrected in the linked Oracle game, but they resurrected Ganon, not Ganondorf. This besides, Twinrova wouldn?t have been able to pull out the Master Sword from their master?s stomach since the blade can only be held by one who is good, thank you, Ocarina of Time. This is besides the point that Zelda tells you at the end of the Oracles that ?wisdom and courage were able to prevent Twinrova?s planned resurrection of Ganon? [emphasis mine]. That means canon suggests that Ganon?s officially gone (again) at the end of the game. Sorry, no dice, guys.)

Apparently he didn't see the Master Sword in the Lost Woods in the ending.

Why does ZU act like they never watched the ending of TP past Ganon's death? They say that the MS wasn't in the pedestal and that the mirror of Twilight wasn't destroyed at the end? Oh. It seems that people on ZI (I've been on there a lot this week (I can't get here during the week because I usually use my high school library computer and they blocked LA) can't see TP's obviously foreshadowing ALTTP. They say nintendo just recycled the location.

Yeah, and recycled the same exact shot from the ALttP scene.
Although I have heard people try to argue that Ganondorf was "just sealed" in TP and that TP is the Imprisoning War. Right...

[ganonlord6000]

And so now, considering the other nine games, just what do you have to work with? Legend of Zelda, A Link to the Past, and Four Swords Adventures all involve Ganondorf somehow taking over Hyrule! However, not a single one of them reveals anything about removing the Master Sword from Ganondorf?s personage. (A few might be crafty to mention that Ganon was, in fact, resurrected in the linked Oracle game, but they resurrected Ganon, not Ganondorf. This besides, Twinrova wouldn?t have been able to pull out the Master Sword from their master?s stomach since the blade can only be held by one who is good, thank you, Ocarina of Time. This is besides the point that Zelda tells you at the end of the Oracles that ?wisdom and courage were able to prevent Twinrova?s planned resurrection of Ganon? [emphasis mine]. That means canon suggests that Ganon?s officially gone (again) at the end of the game. Sorry, no dice, guys.)

Apparently he didn't see the Master Sword in the Lost Woods in the ending.

Why does ZU act like they never watched the ending of TP past Ganon's death? They say that the MS wasn't in the pedestal and that the mirror of Twilight wasn't destroyed at the end? Oh. It seems that people on ZI (I've been on there a lot this week (I can't get here during the week because I usually use my high school library computer and they blocked LA) can't see TP's obviously foreshadowing ALTTP. They say nintendo just recycled the location.

Yeah, and recycled the same exact shot from the ALttP scene.
Although I have heard people try to argue that Ganondorf was "just sealed" in TP and that TP is the Imprisoning War. Right...

After losing the ToP, being stabbed in the gut, and his eyes turning white? can you post a link to one of these theories?

[Person]

I don't have a link right now, but it was a popular theory among single-timeliners because it was the only way TP would make any sense with that model. I saw it a lot on GameFAQs back right after TP came out.

[ganonlord6000]

I don't have a link right now, but it was a popular theory among single-timeliners because it was the only way TP would make any sense with that model. I saw it a lot on GameFAQs back right after TP came out.

Reminds me of a youtube show from about 2206 or 2007 in which people posed as Zelda characters and answer questions. Their therories were outragous. They include: Ganon and Ganondorf are not the same, Link left Hyrule forever in MM, and that Ganondorf sutvived TP. And it turns out they never even knew much about the older games, especially ALTTP.

[Person]

Found this one on GameFAQs:

Imagine that the entire WW series takes place in the Sacred Realm. This explains the difference in graphical schemes. The sacred realm being a mirror image of Hyrule just like it was in LTTP. We know that Ganon eventually obtains the Triforce and takes over the Sacred Realm transforming it into the Dark Realm. That's what LTTP is about, and how he wants to escape the Dark Realm to conquor Hyrule as well. Basically Ganon wants to conqueor both world.

At the end of OOT, Ganon is banished into the Sacred Realm and he is banished in human form. When Link returns back to child form he leaves that future timeline completely and sets up the unrelated TP storyline. Ganon then attempts to get to the triforce at Castle Hyrule to free himself from the sacred realm but ultimately fails when Hyrule is flooded and the triforce is lost at the bottom of the sea. Ganon attempts to get back to the underground Hyrule but Link from WW stops him, stabs him in the head with the master sword and the triforce is lost at the bottom of the sea. Link from WW goes on his PH adventure and ultimately discovers "New Hyrule."

Now here's the thing. We know they have to bring the triforce back into this WW timeline. They can't just forget about it forever. In order for that to happen, someone would have to scuba dive to the bottom of the ocean, or the more likely event of "old" hyrule rising from the bottom of the ocean. So a future game (hopefully the next) would be about Old Hyrule rising from the Sea and somehow Ganon being discovered and awakened. I could imagine a new Link somehow pulling the sword out of the stone to fight some unrelated evil only to release Ganon in the process. This would set up the events of LTTP. Ganon would take the triforce, old hyrule becomes Ganon's castle (like LTTP) and he rages war against new Hyrule. This next game would be about Ganon finally conquering the Sacred Realm. Seeminly Ganon ultimately kills the Link and Zelda of the Sacred Realm, transforming the world into the Dark realm. With the triforce in hand and the sacred realm conqured, the events leading up to LTTP have all been put into motion. This leads to LTTP where the Link of the real world Hyrule must travel to the Sacred Realm to defeat Ganon and save both worlds.

[CID Farwin]

Imagine that the entire WW series takes place in the Sacred Realm.

next!

[Showsni]

Imagine that the entire WW series takes place in the Sacred Realm.

next!

Actually... That's kind of a neat theory! Rather than have a split timeline, just have either side of the split take place in the parallel worlds we already know we have. And it explains how Ganon broke out of the seal in TWW's backstory; the world of TWW is the place he was sealed! Of course, it's entirely unsubstantiated and whilst the SR might be a mirror of Hyrule in ALttP it certainly doesn't seem as exact a copy as this theory would need... But still, I kind of like it. Not saying that it's true at all.

[Person]

The entire rationale for having the cel-shaded games take place in another dimension or in a dream or whatnot seems to be that some people want to explain away the cel-shaded art style. Why they would want to do this is anyone's guess.

[Sign of Justice]

Different style for different dimension?

It's an interesting concept, albeit wrong, but interesting nonetheless.

[MikePetersSucks]

So apparently The Sacred Realm is just way the fuck up high, and the two were separated by a buttload of water.

God, sometimes I wonder how people remember to breathe.

[Showsni]

So apparently The Sacred Realm is just way the fuck up high, and the two were separated by a buttload of water.

God, sometimes I wonder how people remember to breathe.

I assume what they meant is that the Hyrule in TWW is what we'd call the "mirror" Hyrule found in the SR.

[Jarsh]

"I feel that toon shading is the best way for us to successfully deliver the kind of game we want to make. If we utilized a realistic art style for the graphics, the size of Link and other characters would be too small to be controlled in comparison with the size of locations, buildings and objects on the Nintendo DS. It wouldn't be impossible to do, but it would be far from the ideal experience for the player. Given the control scheme and gameplay we've adopted for Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, toon shading is the best fit as the cartoonish art style called "deformation," which changes the proportions between the characters and other objects, can be naturally accepted by the player."

Aonuma seems to think that the graphic style only indicates just that: a style, rather than a change in setting. I'd bet in the eyes of the characters in the cel-shaded games that everything looks as realistic as our world does to (most of) us.

[SOAP]

"I feel that toon shading is the best way for us to successfully deliver the kind of game we want to make. If we utilized a realistic art style for the graphics, the size of Link and other characters would be too small to be controlled in comparison with the size of locations, buildings and objects on the Nintendo DS. It wouldn't be impossible to do, but it would be far from the ideal experience for the player. Given the control scheme and gameplay we've adopted for Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, toon shading is the best fit as the cartoonish art style called "deformation," which changes the proportions between the characters and other objects, can be naturally accepted by the player."

Aonuma seems to think that the graphic style only indicates just that: a style, rather than a change in setting. I'd bet in the eyes of the characters in the cel-shaded games that everything looks as realistic as our world does to (most of) us.

I remember reading somewhere that the celshaded art style was meant to be how kid Link saw the world through his own eyes. And by contrast, TP Link being a teenager sees his world more realistically though everything, even the fish he catches, has some sort of tribal tattoo on it.

[MikePetersSucks]

So apparently The Sacred Realm is just way the fuck up high, and the two were separated by a buttload of water.

God, sometimes I wonder how people remember to breathe.

I assume what they meant is that the Hyrule in TWW is what we'd call the "mirror" Hyrule found in the SR.

It still doesn't work, because people lived in TWW's Hyrule, and Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm, which wasn't where they were.

[ganonlord6000]

Anyone want to see something really kooky? look at this:

this is part of a youtube web show from a few years ago. I would post all of them, but there are about 19 of these. Some of this person's theories are resonable. Some are ridiculus. Just type in the name of that show on Youtube (or go to the Sacred Realm website)to see evewn more if you can.

Edited by ganonlord6000, 23 December 2009 - 11:29 AM.

[Average Gamer]

Lex is back to his typical BS. Here's a recent post of his from ZU:

Correlation 1:
- The "first settlers" of ST's land enjoyed consort with "the spirits."
- Old Hyrule enjoyed consort with "the spirits" (TP's Light Spirits).
Conclusion 1:
- The "first settlers" of ST's land are Old Hyrulians.

Correlation 2:
- Princess Zelda is targeted by Cole as the vessel for Malladus's revival because of her power as part of the ancient line of Hyrule.
- Zelda has "the power of the spirits."
Conclusion 2:
- The power of the ancient line of Hyrule is the "power of the spirits."

Correlation 3:
- The concentrated power of the spirits of ST manifests in Tears of Light.
- The concentrated power of the spirits of TP manifests in Tears of Light.
Conclusion 3:
- The spirits of ST and TP are the same.

Final Conclusion: ST's land is [part of] Old Hyrule.

He's somehow fallen even deeper into denial, now blatantly contradicting Spirit Tracks.

Edited by Average Gamer, 19 January 2010 - 06:33 AM.

[Alastair]

Lex is back to his typical BS. Here's a recent post of his from ZU:

Correlation 1:
- The "first settlers" of ST's land enjoyed consort with "the spirits."
- Old Hyrule enjoyed consort with "the spirits" (TP's Light Spirits).
Conclusion 1:
- The "first settlers" of ST's land are Old Hyrulians.

Correlation 2:
- Princess Zelda is targeted by Cole as the vessel for Malladus's revival because of her power as part of the ancient line of Hyrule.
- Zelda has "the power of the spirits."
Conclusion 2:
- The power of the ancient line of Hyrule is the "power of the spirits."

Correlation 3:
- The concentrated power of the spirits of ST manifests in Tears of Light.
- The concentrated power of the spirits of TP manifests in Tears of Light.
Conclusion 3:
- The spirits of ST and TP are the same.

Final Conclusion: ST's land is [part of] Old Hyrule.

He's somehow fallen even deeper into denial, now blatantly contradicting Spirit Tracks.

Try hitting him with some of his own warped logic, e.g.

Correlation
-Species called flying fish exist.
-Birds can fly.
Conclusion
-Fish are Birds.

[MikePetersSucks]

Except the game explicitly states that the spirits are gone. So lol.

[ganonlord6000]

Lex is back to his typical BS. Here's a recent post of his from ZU:

Correlation 1:
- The "first settlers" of ST's land enjoyed consort with "the spirits."
- Old Hyrule enjoyed consort with "the spirits" (TP's Light Spirits).
Conclusion 1:
- The "first settlers" of ST's land are Old Hyrulians.

Correlation 2:
- Princess Zelda is targeted by Cole as the vessel for Malladus's revival because of her power as part of the ancient line of Hyrule.
- Zelda has "the power of the spirits."
Conclusion 2:
- The power of the ancient line of Hyrule is the "power of the spirits."

Correlation 3:
- The concentrated power of the spirits of ST manifests in Tears of Light.
- The concentrated power of the spirits of TP manifests in Tears of Light.
Conclusion 3:
- The spirits of ST and TP are the same.

Final Conclusion: ST's land is [part of] Old Hyrule.

He's somehow fallen even deeper into denial, now blatantly contradicting Spirit Tracks.

Someone should have put something on this thread saying "anything to do with Lex goes here". I have heard many stories about Lex, but I never thought that he was that bad. Seriously. ST make it quite clear that the Lokomo were the first inhabitants of this land and that this isn't Hyrule from another game.

Except the game explicitly states that the spirits are gone. So lol.

And thus the legend is over on the AT. It said that the guidence of the spirits (who could be the ones from TP) is no longer needed. Why would they with both Ganon and Malladus dead? They'll probably find some other world to watch over (LOL). Would ST make the AOST a kooky theory? It was always unlikely, but the game that shows a new land after TWW shows without a doubt that the story of Hyrule, the triforce, and Ganon are over on this timeline.

I was thinking of going back to ZU, but after seeing this, I don't think I should.

Try hitting him with some of his own warped logic, e.g.

Correlation
-Species called flying fish exist.
-Birds can fly.
Conclusion
-Fish are Birds.

Haven't a few of us tried in the past with various members of this site and others? Anyone remember Volvagia Slayer and his warped logic a while back?

[Person]

Apparently, somebody is trying yet again to argue that the manga are canon.
Forum thread here.

The real kookiness is that the person I'm arguing with is trying to use this to argue that if the manga is canon, Sheik is male and a separate character from Zelda. This person ships Zelda/Sheik. Wrap your brain around that one.

[MikePetersSucks]

but that's not true even WITH the manga being canon. Has he even read it?

[Moriatti]

The Triforce of Time theory which apparently came from here...?

[MikePetersSucks]

Which is also satirical (and awesome).

[Fin]

lol

After defeating him in the East Courtyard (or west, for Gamecube) of Hyrule Castle, he will give up and accept defeat, talking to Link for the first and last time and telling him "I serve the strongest side...that is all I have ever known", implying that as a child King Bulblin did not learn how to love and was not taught emotions by his parents.

Just breaks your heart, doesn't it?