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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:54 PM

We've all heard them. Somebody over-analyzes the wall decorations of Stone Tower Temple and draws conclusions about the Tower of Babel from there. Somebody sees an upside-down triangle on the shield and goes around saying that there's a fourth Triforce piece and that Tetra's name confirms it. What's your favorite kooky theory?

Mine comes from this old defunct website I browsed somewhere back in 2002 called tmsword.com that not only had fourth Triforce theories and the like, but also theories like how Termina was actually a future Hyrule. What clinched it for me was that it used the cartoon series and comic books as "evidence." The author of these theories threw around terms like "Evil Jar" like it was canon. He also said that ALttP was only 60 years after OoT. It's too bad I can't link to any of it, as the site went down sometime in 2003.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:37 PM

Go to the N64 Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time boards at gamefaqs.com and you'll find a ton of kooky theories. Incidentally, it is these people that I have concern for because they can't delineate between fan-fiction/speculative "theorizing" (i.e. who is Fierce Deity, etc) and actual timeline theorizing. There's still a ton of people at gameFAQs that go, "lawl the timeline doesn't exist! Stop pulling the fan-fiction stuff lololol!!" Drives me CRAZY sometimes!! :deadlink:

I guess my favorite kooky theory that I found interesting as a little kid was those triforce of time theories. Crazy man. I was salvaged by a certain gameFAQs user by the name of andor3 and got into timeline theorizing then. Ah, those were the days.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 11:19 PM

There was an absolutely legendary topic on the GameFAQs MM board called the "Moon Topic" that was just full of these. I think that's where the whole Tower of Babel thing started.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 01:10 AM

http://tvtropes.org/...heLegendOfZelda

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 02:49 AM

There's still a ton of people at gameFAQs that go, "lawl the timeline doesn't exist! Stop pulling the fan-fiction stuff lololol!!" Drives me CRAZY sometimes!!


If you think that's bad, the people on the IGN boards think that Termina is a neighboring country to Hyrule and utterly reject the Split Timeline because they simply don't like it/they think they put too much effort into their old theories to change them.

I've never really gravitated toward "kooky" theories (and I hate the Stone Tower and Tetraforce ones), but as far as minor things with only speculation go I've always believed that the person in OoT who once lived where the well was built the Bottom of the Well area. He was presumably a psychopath who used the Lens of Truth to see past his own illusions. He was eventually discovered and sealed in his own labyrinth, eventually breaking free to confront OoT Link as Bongo Bongo. I used to think that he was killed and that his spirit was sealed away, but then I considered that Vaati's ultimate transformation involves him losing all of his natural limbs, so I figured that this Kakarikan psycho may have transformed himself as well.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 02:57 AM

Ever heard of Mike Peters? Picman? Nuff said.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 03:10 AM

Ever heard of Mike Peters? Picman? Nuff said.


I know the latter, but I've never heard of Mike Peters aside from MPS' screen name. What's the deal with Mike Peters?

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 04:05 AM

Ever heard of Mike Peters? Picman? Nuff said.


I know the latter, but I've never heard of Mike Peters aside from MPS' screen name. What's the deal with Mike Peters?


Well basically like MPS's screename suggests: He sucks. I don't know what he was like here at LA but I used to debate with him at VGF's Zelda Forum. As late as TWW's release, he still held to the belief taht there was only one Link and all the games take place within years of each other. TWW, of course he brushed off as a simple "what-if" scenario and didn't even regard it as canon simply because the "cartoony" graphics made him think the creators weren't being serious.

He still does not hold a candle to picman though. Picman takes the cake on crazy theories.

Edited by SOAP, 20 May 2009 - 04:08 AM.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 04:48 AM

Alright. Thanks for the information SOAP.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 09:53 AM

I happened to read somewhere (maybe on another forum) that the events of Majora's Mask were a kind of illusion to Link. Apparently, the 4 Giants were the 4 Light Spirits from TP, and Majora's Mask was the Fused Shadow or something.

I found it pretty ridiculous, as the Dark Interlopers were banished to the Twilight Realm before OoT, and MM happened after the events of OoT.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 12:25 PM

Well basically like MPS's screename suggests: He sucks. I don't know what he was like here at LA but I used to debate with him at VGF's Zelda Forum. As late as TWW's release, he still held to the belief taht there was only one Link and all the games take place within years of each other. TWW, of course he brushed off as a simple "what-if" scenario and didn't even regard it as canon simply because the "cartoony" graphics made him think the creators weren't being serious.


You also forgot that OOT is the only game that actually happened and everything else was a prophetic dream Link had before Navi woke him up, THEN MM and the other games released afterwards happened. According to Mike Peters, the timeline goes by game release order.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 01:29 PM

Well basically like MPS's screename suggests: He sucks. I don't know what he was like here at LA but I used to debate with him at VGF's Zelda Forum. As late as TWW's release, he still held to the belief taht there was only one Link and all the games take place within years of each other. TWW, of course he brushed off as a simple "what-if" scenario and didn't even regard it as canon simply because the "cartoony" graphics made him think the creators weren't being serious.


You also forgot that OOT is the only game that actually happened and everything else was a prophetic dream Link had before Navi woke him up, THEN MM and the other games released afterwards happened. According to Mike Peters, the timeline goes by game release order.


Wow. I've never really encountered anyone that kooky. What made him think that they occurred in release order? I've never heard anyone argue that, especially since OoT was obviously a prequel. And I thought the old NoA timeline was kooky. What did Picman do, as SOAP seems to regard him as crazier?

EDIT: Even though the theory was already tongue-in-cheek, the one on the TV Tropes page about the Adult Timeline becoming the DC Universe and Link becoming Batman made me crack up. Adn of course TP Link is an ancestor of Spider-Man, so the Child Timeline is the Marvel Universe.

Edited by Person, 20 May 2009 - 01:57 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 03:23 PM

I've got something for you guys to chew on:
www.thedailyblitz.org/tag/hyrule-history
(and part 2 at www.thedailyblitz.org/the-history-of-hyrule-part-2-1001-2001 since for some retarded reason it's not there with the rest)

Let me tell you, I've seen lots of weird theories in my time on the net, but this is definitely one of the weirdest and at the same time most elaborate articles I've seen.

You realize that numbering the Links according to your timeline, as it was once customary for most theorists, is ineffectual and inopportune? Well here we go again with that very same faulty routine.
You think it's unarguable that the banishment of Ganon in TP's background happens shortly after OoT? You poor sob, this theory clearly shows how it makes the most sense as the near immediate aftermath of TWW!
You frown upon people wondering about the connection between the location(s) of the Temple of Time in OoT and TP? Think TP's may be a throwback to ALttP? Behold as the resting place of the Master Sword in ALttP is revealed to have in fact been Snowpeak!
Still wondering whether Agahnim is a Sheikah or not? Wait no longer and learn the tragic tale of how he murdered his own father!

Seriously guys, this theory is so bad it's epic. What this "intrepid internet journalist" managed to put together sets Zelda theorizing back of almost a decade.
Try not to wet yourselves with laughter as you read through it and if you will, post links to other theories like this!
(I should not that some people suggested to me that this whole thing may in fact have been written for lulz, and not as something the author is really taking seriously.
Well I'll say only this, if that is the case, he did an excellent job of appearing serious...)

I'm guessing the GameTrailers timeline will rightfully be brought up soon...

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 04:31 PM

I've got something for you guys to chew on:
www.thedailyblitz.org/tag/hyrule-history
(and part 2 at www.thedailyblitz.org/the-history-of-hyrule-part-2-1001-2001 since for some retarded reason it's not there with the rest)

Let me tell you, I've seen lots of weird theories in my time on the net, but this is definitely one of the weirdest and at the same time most elaborate articles I've seen.

You realize that numbering the Links according to your timeline, as it was once customary for most theorists, is ineffectual and inopportune? Well here we go again with that very same faulty routine.
You think it's unarguable that the banishment of Ganon in TP's background happens shortly after OoT? You poor sob, this theory clearly shows how it makes the most sense as the near immediate aftermath of TWW!
You frown upon people wondering about the connection between the location(s) of the Temple of Time in OoT and TP? Think TP's may be a throwback to ALttP? Behold as the resting place of the Master Sword in ALttP is revealed to have in fact been Snowpeak!
Still wondering whether Agahnim is a Sheikah or not? Wait no longer and learn the tragic tale of how he murdered his own father!

Seriously guys, this theory is so bad it's epic. What this "intrepid internet journalist" managed to put together sets Zelda theorizing back of almost a decade.
Try not to wet yourselves with laughter as you read through it and if you will, post links to other theories like this!
(I should not that some people suggested to me that this whole thing may in fact have been written for lulz, and not as something the author is really taking seriously.
Well I'll say only this, if that is the case, he did an excellent job of appearing serious...)

I'm guessing the GameTrailers timeline will rightfully be brought up soon...


I love how he just leaves out such pivotal games as TMC and FSA and how he doesn't believe in the split timeline just because he doesn't like the idea. He obviously just played these games and wrote up a "timeline theory" in his spare time without doing any research. I also love how he assigns random dates to stuff and how it's like 90% fan fiction. In a way, this reminds me of the old NoA order than had just one Link and LA occuring during AoL. And Link's uncle is Error?

And just to show that you have amazing powers to predict the future:
Here it is.
BTW, how is it I embed a Youtube link on this forum?

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 04:38 PM

http://www.gametrail...rewattack/29488

This. Although to his credit, AVGN tells the audience to NOT take it seriously. Hilarious humor, but people use his comical ranting as their OWN forceful arguments against there being a coherent timeline. The actual gametrailers timeline on the other hand...lol

Maybe someone should just have a youtube account and post timeline videos a la the gametrailers format to counteract all this nonsense. Now, who the heck has a good voice (I vote for MPS)?! :P

Edited by Sparx401, 20 May 2009 - 04:39 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 05:02 PM

I seem to remember one that had something like four goddesses, and one was named Mudora, and Din was evil or something. What is up with this fanficcers and the Book of Mudora? Can't find a link for the life of me. It was a few years ago that I saw this, and the site may be offline again.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 05:12 PM

BTW, how is it I embed a Youtube link on this forum?

The Suggestions and Help Forum is for something, you know. ;)

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 05:45 PM

I quite like Kirby021591's timeline. Yes, he put it in a walkthrough. <_<

Actually, this guy can't resist putting his ideas about the timeline all over his FAQs. Here are some of my favourite pieces.

His thoughts on Ganondorf's motivation in Wind Waker.

This one's for real. You are currently on top of the tower. Ganondorf will start talking about his Hylian roots. He was born the king of a desert dwelling people called the Gerudo. Only one man is born every hundred years there and Ganondorf was the sole man. He speaks of the wind of that desert, punishing the land, and later says he wanted Hyrule for its wind. Come on! No, I refuse to accept it. Ganondorf did not go around for all these games just because he liked the wind in Hyrule.


Going off on a tangent in the middle of the Ice Temple walkthrough. Because I totally want to read about the timeline when I need help.

By the way, I want to clear something up. Ocarina of Time is the beginning and end of Link's life. You start out as a kid. Then you age seven years as an adult and finally lock Ganon in the Forbidden realm, as an adult. Zelda gives Link the seven years of his life back. So all the adventures Link has are happening in the seven-year gap. The Wind Waker doesn't have Link in it, but rather a descendant or reincarnation of Link. Ganon never died because he remained ageless in the Forbidden Realm (Although he gained a lot of weight; he looks shorter and heavier in The Wind Waker).


Uh... okay?

In Ocarina of Time Ganon transforms into a pig in the Light World. I can't explain that, but the designers of the game were erroneous. Ganon cannot willfully change into a pig and thus the only explanation is that in some fights with Ganon, he can summon on the Dark World to engulf the arena.


You read it here folks. The writers were wrong.

Edited by Fintin O'Brien, 20 May 2009 - 05:54 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 05:52 PM

Another thing no one seems to understand is that in A Link to the Past, one, the wizard (I can't spell his name but it's pronounced like A-ga-nim) is Ganon's alter ego he used to kill the king. Finally, Ganon is not a giant pig. In A Link to the Past it is explained that in the Dark World people change forms. Link is a rabbit, but he obtains an item, the Moon Pearl, I believe, in the third dungeon and can retain his Light World form in the Dark World. Ganon is not a giant trident-wielding pig, but that is his Dark World form. In Ocarina of Time Ganon transforms into a pig in the Light World. I can't explain that, but the designers of the game were erroneous. Ganon cannot willfully change into a pig and thus the only explanation is that in some fights with Ganon, he can summon on the Dark World to engulf the arena.


You read it here folks. The writers were wrong.

I think that was the explanation given in the American Link to the Past comic book. Typical of these loonies, thinking that every piece of official merchandise must be canon.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 06:12 PM

This. Although to his credit, AVGN tells the audience to NOT take it seriously.

Actually the AVGN made a pretty darn good job with that video, especially if you consider that he is not into this, so he can be considered an amateur theorizer at best.
There are some things he said that are definitely "up in the air, like a turd shot out of a cannon", namely that Moblins are the reason MC can't be before OoT (no game actually states that they are made in Ganon's image. In the first game, they weren't even pigs). But from LoZ up to TWW he made an excellent job of summarizing years of theorizing.

I think that was the explanation given in the American Link to the Past comic book. Typical of these loonies, thinking that every piece of official merchandise must be canon.

In his defense, before OoT came out I too thought Ganon acquired his pig form because of his permanence in the Dark World (and that he retained it afterwards either because of how long he'd been there, because he died like that or simply because he's freaking Ganon), witout ever having read the comic. But of course I had the common sense to accept that this couldn't be the case when OoT came out.

Edited by Duke Serkol, 20 May 2009 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 06:22 PM

Nah, I'd agree it's reasonable enough to a point. LttP itself says the Triforce is responsible for the transformations, but it was one line spoken by a bystander I believe, so overlooking it can be forgiven. Mostly I take umbrage at his assertion that the writers must be the wrong ones. And for the climax of one of the main games too. That's just so wrong.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 08:55 PM

Nah, I'd agree it's reasonable enough to a point. LttP itself says the Triforce is responsible for the transformations, but it was one line spoken by a bystander I believe, so overlooking it can be forgiven. Mostly I take umbrage at his assertion that the writers must be the wrong ones. And for the climax of one of the main games too. That's just so wrong.

Not to get off-topic or anything, but I don't recall the game ever saying that he became a pig when he got the Triforce, just that he became King of Evil. I remember one old Valiant comic now that had Link turn into a Ganon-like pig when he stole back the Triforce of Power. It was like the ToP was the "evil Triforce" or something.

As for another kooky theory:

I love how he says that this is the "correct" timeline and that he's so right, instead of like the other countless theorizers on Youtube who put disclaimers at the beginning saying that it's just their opinion and that any timeline is unofficial.



The mere fact that someone is still trying to argue a single timeline is just hilarious. At the beginning he's basically like "The Miyamoto order was wrong, so developers' statements don't matter!"

And apparently Tingle being in TWW confirms the single timeline.

Edited by Person, 20 May 2009 - 09:36 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 09:38 PM

I really don't think there's ever going to be a timeline everyone agrees on, even if Miyamoto, or Nintendo decide to release an official one. There's way too many theories, contradicting facts, and evidence to prove most timelines or even certain sequences. Plus, developers and directors aren't the best people to listen to (I'm pointing at you Satoru Iwata).

Something I've always wondered, though I hate the theories of his relevance to the series. Who IS the Fierce Deity? I am skeptical about his potential return, though. I think if they were to bring him back, he would gain too much depth as a character and overly-popular like Tingle. What does Tingle do to help you? Sells you maps to places you already know your way around.

And hello everybody, this is my first post.

Edited by Ikiosho, 20 May 2009 - 09:40 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 10:00 PM

I really don't think there's ever going to be a timeline everyone agrees on, even if Miyamoto, or Nintendo decide to release an official one. There's way too many theories, contradicting facts, and evidence to prove most timelines or even certain sequences. Plus, developers and directors aren't the best people to listen to (I'm pointing at you Satoru Iwata).

Something I've always wondered, though I hate the theories of his relevance to the series. Who IS the Fierce Deity? I am skeptical about his potential return, though. I think if they were to bring him back, he would gain too much depth as a character and overly-popular like Tingle. What does Tingle do to help you? Sells you maps to places you already know your way around.

And hello everybody, this is my first post.

Hey, welcome to the forums! We really aren't talking about the best order for the games in thsi topic, we're talking about the worst. As well as weird ideas people come up with (like all of those Fierce Deity theories you mentioned). Try to scour the interwebs and find an insane theory to post here. Or if you want to seriously talk about the timeline, start a new thread or ask some questions in another one.
Great to have you on board.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 10:09 PM

Nah, I'd agree it's reasonable enough to a point. LttP itself says the Triforce is responsible for the transformations, but it was one line spoken by a bystander I believe, so overlooking it can be forgiven. Mostly I take umbrage at his assertion that the writers must be the wrong ones. And for the climax of one of the main games too. That's just so wrong.

Not to get off-topic or anything, but I don't recall the game ever saying that he became a pig when he got the Triforce, just that he became King of Evil.


The Golden Power is what changed your shape to reflect what is in your heart and mind.


Said by the ball-guy on Death Mountain. Although I just saw while looking that up that that line wasn't present in the original Japanese. Hm.

The mere fact that someone is still trying to argue a single timeline is just hilarious. At the beginning he's basically like "The Miyamoto order was wrong, so developers' statements don't matter!"

And apparently Tingle being in TWW confirms the single timeline.


That guy's videos are crazy. You should check out his Tetraforce videos. Most of his evidence is completely retarded. And his Bush analogy is made of fail.

I really don't think there's ever going to be a timeline everyone agrees on, even if Miyamoto, or Nintendo decide to release an official one. There's way too many theories, contradicting facts, and evidence to prove most timelines or even certain sequences. Plus, developers and directors aren't the best people to listen to (I'm pointing at you Satoru Iwata).


Aonuma's a pretty reliable guy. He's much more concerned with making a coherent timeline than Miyamoto ever was.

And hello everybody, this is my first post.


Hey, welcome to the boards. Always cool to see a new face.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 10:22 PM

The Golden Power is what changed your shape to reflect what is in your heart and mind.


Said by the ball-guy on Death Mountain. Although I just saw while looking that up that that line wasn't present in the original Japanese. Hm.


I think he was referring to the Triforce's power to transform the Sacred Realm into the Dark World, and by extension its inhabitants. After all, we see blue pig Ganon in FSA with no Triforce at all. But that's off-topic.

Here's a typical Tetraforce theory. (Must have had a lot of hits, it was third on the list when I googled "Tetraforce").
Fourth Goddess and the Tetraforce

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 12:49 AM

I think he was referring to the Triforce's power to transform the Sacred Realm into the Dark World, and by extension its inhabitants. After all, we see blue pig Ganon in FSA with no Triforce at all. But that's off-topic.


Well, I never thought the Triforce was the only way of transforming people, just the way it happened in this case. But I never thought of the guy's line that way. That interpretation makes a lot of sense. I'll stop posting about this now, back to the crazy stuff. :lol:


That guy's videos are crazy. You should check out his Tetraforce videos. Most of his evidence is completely retarded. And his Bush analogy is made of fail.


Whoops, I was thinking of someone else. Anyway, here's the videos I was thinking of.




Edited by Fintin O'Brien, 21 May 2009 - 12:51 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2009 - 01:05 AM

Well basically like MPS's screename suggests: He sucks. I don't know what he was like here at LA but I used to debate with him at VGF's Zelda Forum. As late as TWW's release, he still held to the belief taht there was only one Link and all the games take place within years of each other. TWW, of course he brushed off as a simple "what-if" scenario and didn't even regard it as canon simply because the "cartoony" graphics made him think the creators weren't being serious.


You also forgot that OOT is the only game that actually happened and everything else was a prophetic dream Link had before Navi woke him up, THEN MM and the other games released afterwards happened. According to Mike Peters, the timeline goes by game release order.


I didn't hear that one. He must've went batshit insane after whole VGF community joined forces to kick him out. From what I haerd he wandered over here after that and got worse.

Edited by SOAP, 21 May 2009 - 01:08 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2009 - 01:14 AM

One common theme I see with these theorizers is that they ignore Aonuma's statements about the split because the Miyamoto order was wrong. Apparently, if one statement was wrong, they're all wrong.