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[Showsni]

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[Duke Serkol]

What I am saying is that, based on what Sheik told us of the Sacred Realm, the new shape it takes after Link obtains the triforce could reflect what is in his heart. And I would wager that would be Hyrule.

I think that's a bit of an assumption to make. It still seems redundant. Obviously his wish was to revive Hyrule, but creating a second Hyrule alongside it is both confusing and needless (and could lead to all sorts of bizarreness). I'm fairly sure Nintendo never considered this as a possibility, and thus it's not worth considering.

Well, ever since I first saw that ending, I always though that to be the case (thinking if Ganon's possession of the Triforce can shape this place why wouldn't Link?). It just came as a natural interpretation to me.

[Fyxe]

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I can beat you.

It's also a trap.

[SL the Pyro]

It's my understanding that ALttP and FS took place in different timelines; first FS by one of Link's ancestors, then ALttP. That's just what I think.

But I would like to know how the Four Sword got into the Dark World Pyramid with the absence of its shrine, not to mention why there are four evil Links there. I once thought the Four Sword was a forgery or something that Ganon placed as a trap for the Link in his time frame (in which the reward would be the REAL Four Sword; who WOULDN'T want a L5 sword only heard about in rumours?).

[LionHarted]

But I would like to know how the Four Sword got into the Dark World Pyramid with the absence of its shrine, not to mention why there are four evil Links there.

1) Dark World is a mirror of Hyrule; Palace of the Four Sword in Dark World being a mirror of the Shrine in FSA.
2) Ganon creates evil Links to combat the Four Sword in FSA. It's obvious this idea was influenced by the PotFS.

Edited by LionHarted, 04 June 2007 - 08:53 AM.

[SL the Pyro]

I agree with the second point, but unless Shadow Link (NOT me) held the Dark World Four Sword in FSA, I find the first point a bit sketchy. There can't be TWO Four Swords, can there?

[MikePetersSucks]

Why not? Sure, it's a powerful, magical sword, but it's not say, the Master Sword or the Triforce.

[Fyxe]

It rivals the Master Sword. It's a unique blade of somewhat divine origin. You can't have two.

[Person]

There aren't two. If you watch the ending of FSA, you notice that Ganon got sealed inside of it. That's why it's inside of his fortress in ALttP. The four Shadow Links are apparently the same ones as in FSA. The Palace of the Four Sword makes no sense unless the Four Sword story arc happens before ALttP in the same timeline.

[SL the Pyro]

^ I hadn't thought about the FSA ending before. That works quite nicely.

[Duke Serkol]

There can't be TWO Four Swords, can there?

...how about four?
*shot*

[Person]

Well, there are technically four Four Swords in the Palace of the Four Sword because these four swords of the Four Sword are shards for the Four Sword that Link has to find and unite inside the Palace of the Four Sword and fight Shadow Links, of which there are four, for justice and for the restoration of the Four Sword.

Now how many times did I say "four?"

[SL the Pyro]

*counts*

2... 4... 10. I see 10 if you count the "four" in the last line.

[Chaltab]

Any explanation on how the Four Sword got from the Shrine at the end of FSA to the Dark World is by neccesity pure speculation.

[Duke Serkol]

Or deduction

[Person]

Any theory that speculates two four swords or a post-ALttP placement of the FS series is even more speculation.

[Raien]

Any theory that connects the FS games to ALTTP is speculative.

[SL the Pyro]

Not quite; anyone notice how the ALttP map is very similar to the FSA map? Compare them; it looks more like the ALttP map was turned counter-clockwise a tad to make the FSA map.

[Raien]

Not quite; anyone notice how the ALttP map is very similar to the FSA map? Compare them; it looks more like the ALttP map was turned counter-clockwise a tad to make the FSA map.

The similarities are there, but to actually connect A to B always requires speculation.

[LionHarted]

"Possible Connections" We Can Make Based on Similarities

TWW/PH-TMC (or vice-versa)
LoZ/AoL-TMC (or vice-versa)
FSA-ALttP
LA-OoX
TP-ALttP (or vice-versa)

Of course, none of the above have any concrete proof that force connections, besides debatably FSA-ALttP.

Edited by LionHarted, 05 June 2007 - 11:30 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

All theories ever are speculation.

[SL the Pyro]

LA-OoX

I doubt that one. I think the only reason they looked so similar to each other was the fact that they were for the GBC; using those same sprites and stuff was just easier on the filespace.

That, and I always assumed LA came after ALttP.

Edited by Shadow_Link, 05 June 2007 - 12:58 PM.

[Person]

The FS series is connected to ALttP by virtue of the fact that the Four sword is in ALttP!
How can it be speculative if it's right there in the game?

TWW/PH-TMC (or vice-versa)
LoZ/AoL-TMC (or vice-versa)
FSA-ALttP
LA-OoX
TP-ALttP (or vice-versa)

How does TMC come after TWW when Hyrule was destroyed?
How does OoX relate to LA? I mean, it can happen after LA, but obviously not with the same Link.
How does AoL lead into TMC?

No. The FS series goes like this:
TMC-FS-FSA

TMC probably happens early on in the series, and the next two games happen much later with a different Link.

[Raien]

The FS series is connected to ALttP by virtue of the fact that the Four sword is in ALttP!
How can it be speculative if it's right there in the game?

Every detail in FSA and ALTTP that suggests the games are connected, do not explain how the games are connected. For that purpose, you must speculate.

[LionHarted]

How does TMC come after TWW when Hyrule was destroyed?

The same way the world is reconstructed by Noah and his descendants after the Earth is destroyed in the Biblical flood, no doubt.

How does OoX relate to LA? I mean, it can happen after LA, but obviously not with the same Link.

Or just not the same Zelda.

How does AoL lead into TMC?

Fairly dead, scattered kingdom in AoL.
Fledgling kingdom in TMC.
Graveyard in Lost Woods, as in LoZ.

No. The FS series goes like this:
TMC-FS-FSA

I never suggested anything to the contrary.

TMC probably happens early on in the series

Why?

[Person]

TMC must happen before FS and FSA. FSA must happen before ALttP. ALttP probably happens before LoZ and AoL. Therefore, TMC must happen either before or around the time of OoT.

I do not doubt that Hyrule will be rebuilt by Link and Tetra's descendants, but it would not be the exact same Hyrule that we see in every other game. It will be a new Hyrule because Old Hyrule was destroyed in TWW.

And how do LA and OoX feature the same Link but different Zeldas?

[LionHarted]

TMC must happen before FS and FSA. FSA must happen before ALttP. ALttP probably happens before LoZ and AoL. Therefore, TMC must happen either before or around the time of OoT.

Really? From what I can tell, all you've proven is that it has to be before FS, FSA, ALttP, LA, and perhaps LoZ/AoL. OoT has nothing to do with the equation as you've presented it.

And how do LA and OoX feature the same Link but different Zeldas?

At any point after OoT, it's conceivable that the naming tradition was begun, and all ladies in the royal house were named Zelda. That would leave us with, hypothetically, multiple Zeldas at once.

[Person]

What I meant by "around OoT" is that it happens early in the kingdom's history, and that OoT happens not long after. The "Light Force" mentioned in TMC might have some connection to the Light Spirits in TP, which happens after OoT.

And the Sleeping Zelda story must have happened considerably late in the timeline. The Sleeping Zelda's father ruled with the Triforce, but did not give his son the whole thing. He gave his son Power and Zelda Wisdom, but sealed the ToC in the Great Palace. We have only two games where the Sleeping Zelda could have happened: After ALttP or after OoX. Since you speculate that there are two Princess Zeldas living at the same time, only one of which knows Link, you believe that the Sleeping Zelda story happens sometime before OoX, when the evidence points to the Sleeping Zelda being either the one from ALttP (unlikely) or the one from OoX. And since the Zelda from OoX is alive and well, apparently the naming decree has not been issued yet.

In short, the idea that OoX Zelda and ALttP Zelda were contemporaries is bunk.

[LionHarted]

What I meant by "around OoT" is that it happens early in the kingdom's history, and that OoT happens not long after.

It does?

The "Light Force" mentioned in TMC might have some connection to the Light Spirits in TP, which happens after OoT.

Or it might have nothing to do with them at all.

And the Sleeping Zelda story must have happened considerably late in the timeline. The Sleeping Zelda's father ruled with the Triforce, but did not give his son the whole thing. He gave his son Power and Zelda Wisdom, but sealed the ToC in the Great Palace.

1) We're never told what secret about the Triforce that Zelda knew.
2) We're never told to what extent the prince inherited the Triforce.

Daphnes is the only king in the history of the series to ever be actually shown with any part of the Triforce (the fragment of the Triforce of Wisdom), let alone the piece of Courage (in the end). Assuming any other kings had it is speculative.

Edited by LionHarted, 05 June 2007 - 03:57 PM.

[Person]

We are told of a wise king who ruled with the Triforce (whole) in the AoL manual. He sealed the piece of Courage in the Great Palace, and Zelda has Wisdom. Since the Prince inherited the Triforce "in part," he got Power.

We only have two games in which the Triforce is united, ALttP and OoX. Since the Triforce is still united in OoX, the Sleeping Zelda story must happen sometime after OoX.

I place TMC before OoT because it describes a fledgling kingdom and acts as an "origin story" for the Four Sword, Vaati, the hat, the Light Force, etc. Its backstory also does not mention a flood. It mentions wars, which the OoT backstory also references.