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[lord-of-shadow]

If you want pretty from Intelligent Systems, Super Paper Mario will cover that. FE is about gameplay and plot and hawt peoples.

I disagree. FE7 was an absolutely beautiful game, at least in terms of the portraits and battle animations, and it was perfectly fine everywhere else. Path of Radiance is ugly as hell, in all areas except the portraits. It looks like this one will take after PoR.

[Mystic Kitsune]

More stuff, below. I think thats Tibarn. Highly likely, even if he looks younger anyhow. People disagree for some reason saying its not him.

http://i35.photobuck...m/Fe10cap04.jpg
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Zelgius.

http://i35.photobuck...m/fe10cap08.jpg
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[Sety II]

http://www.nintendo....rfej/index.html

Probably better just linking to the official site since the intro movie is there and god...just looking in character section the in game graphics look like crap.

More stuff, below. I think thats Tibarn. Highly likely, even if he looks younger anyhow. People disagree for some reason saying its not him.

Because people are idiots, plain and simple. That much was blatantly obvious back when the first FE10 shots showed up.

Edited by Sety II, 03 February 2007 - 10:03 AM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

Yeah...people can be weird.

I forgot to mention that trailer ^^;

[Fyxe]

Enough about the graphics already. Yeesk. It's getting old now. Who the hell cares? It looks the same as PoR. We've known this for, like, half a year. The graphics always look bad when you're looking at still images of the characters in close up, anyway, it's partly cel-shaded, remember? The wolf laguz looks great, and as long as they look fine in motion, I couldn't give a damn.

No, PoR was not some great work of beauty, but quite frankly, neither were many of the old FE games. Why does it matter?

Oh, and the cutscenes are likely going to be just as excellent as the ones in PoR, and the music will probably be just as great too, so enough complaining. Nobody plays FE for the graphics, nobody ever has, nobody ever will.

[TJ]

This place is kinda behind the times in the FE news, so I'll be updating.

The new FE commercials -
http://wii.com/jp/mo...-emblem-movie1/
http://wii.com/jp/mo.../wii-cm-soft21/

and some new scans. ^^
http://www.velthomer...?...post&id=532
http://img.photobuck...FE10/410482.jpg

[Fyxe]

Jill! It's Jill! And look at her hair! I loves Jill.

She looks *cool*.

Oh look, that creepy guy from the tower is back. How unsurprising. ^^;

[Mystic Kitsune]

I saw these ones already, but I stopped posting seeing as the game will be out soon...

[TJ]

So, as far as we know, the list of returning characters is:
Sothe, Elincia, Geoffrey, Lucia, Jill, Devdan, Calil, and Ilyana(the sprite on the top right of the second magazine scan is hers).

Ranulf, Maurim, Izuka, and probably all the countries royalties will make it back, but we don't know if they'll be playable.

Did I miss anyone?

Edited by TJ, 10 February 2007 - 10:48 PM.

[lord-of-shadow]

Enough about the graphics already. Yeesk. It's getting old now. Who the hell cares? It looks the same as PoR. We've known this for, like, half a year. The graphics always look bad when you're looking at still images of the characters in close up, anyway, it's partly cel-shaded, remember? The wolf laguz looks great, and as long as they look fine in motion, I couldn't give a damn.

No, PoR was not some great work of beauty, but quite frankly, neither were many of the old FE games. Why does it matter?

Oh, and the cutscenes are likely going to be just as excellent as the ones in PoR, and the music will probably be just as great too, so enough complaining. Nobody plays FE for the graphics, nobody ever has, nobody ever will.

Actually, one of the main reasons I got into the series was the beautiful sprites in the battles for 6 and 7. Not the mention the character art, of course. The gameplay itself is pretty good, but not enough to carry the game on its own.

PoR's gameplay was even less engaging than Rekka's was, and the graphics - which were a main draw for me, as I said - were utter shit. And this looks like it's going to be exactly the same; more of an expansion set than a sequel, all the flaws of the previous fully intact.

[Mystic Kitsune]

more of an expansion set than a sequel, all the flaws of the previous fully intact.

Thats my biggest complaint about the game...there are way too many returning characters..and yeah, expansion-like, not much of a sequel...

Sothe, Elincia, Geoffrey, Lucia, Jill, Devdan, Calil, and Ilyana(the sprite on the top right of the second magazine scan is hers).

Ranulf, Maurim, Izuka, and probably all the countries royalties will make it back, but we don't know if they'll be playable.

If you count non-playables, and just returning characters, there was Zelgius as well.

[Fyxe]

Actually, one of the main reasons I got into the series was the beautiful sprites in the battles for 6 and 7. Not the mention the character art, of course. The gameplay itself is pretty good, but not enough to carry the game on its own.

PoR's gameplay was even less engaging than Rekka's was, and the graphics - which were a main draw for me, as I said - were utter shit. And this looks like it's going to be exactly the same; more of an expansion set than a sequel, all the flaws of the previous fully intact.

Firstly, the character art is still as excellent as always.

The cutscenes are wonderful.

The in game graphics are not 'utter shit'. That's just sodding wrong. No, it's hardly RE4, but they're not utter shit at *all*. I think they look absolutely fine and I don't know what you're exactly expecting.

Also, it's very odd that you got into it just because of the sprites. Well, feh. o.o Go and play some of the SNES games and see what FE games are really about.

Look, I'm tired of the graphic bashing, because quite frankly, it's really, really nitpicky. The graphics are FINE. They're *not* ugly or 'utter shit'. When moving it all looks rather nice. As good as many other RPGs. I don't mind people complaining about problems with the linearity, or things like that, but complaining about the graphics just seems really... Childish.

Oh, and you know what makes up for any lackluster graphics? The rather beautiful music.

[Mad Scrub]

Nintendo aren't about high quality graphics *pictures a realistic Mario with plumbers crack and shudders*. But regardless, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and in my opinion the graphics are fine. I do prefer the GBA games though because I seem to be better at them .

[Neon Z]

PoR's gameplay was even less engaging than Rekka's was

What...? I really, really disagree there. Anything is better than a rehash that barely changes anything from its predecessor, besides adding mission objectives back (a feature which existed previously, anyway, but had disappeared in the first GBA game).

PoR has even more varied mission objectives (especially considering the Bonus Exp requirements), added skills back in a nice way, as items, and fixed the support system(not requiring dumb positioning of units to raise its level anymore).

However, considering how you've stated that you don't like FE gameplay, I can see why everything doesn't matter much, if there aren't "good" graphics...

And this looks like it's going to be exactly the same; more of an expansion set than a sequel, all the flaws of the previous fully intact.

Eh... not really. While it's obvious this is just a port of a GC game, the biggest problem with Radiance's graphics were the poor battle animations, and those seem to have been improved in this game, both the animations themselves and the way the enemy reacts to the damage (some attacks have been shown to knock down the enemy).

They also seem to have dropped "generic models" for playable characters bit considering how even Devdan now has his own model- though it could be they just haven't shown any generic playable character yet.

Edited by Neon Z, 12 February 2007 - 05:48 AM.

[lord-of-shadow]

Oh please, Zeon. I never said that I didn't like FE's gameplay. I said it wasn't enough to carry the game on its own. As for Rekka being a rehash.. I admit, it was my first FE game. It seemed fresh and interesting to me, but I'm sure I overrate it because it was my first.

Fyxe: The cutscenes look nice, but it's hard to enjoy them when I'm wincing at the horrendous voice-acting the whole time. And yes, the graphics were shit. I'm talking battle graphics here, for clarification, and I don't see how anyone could argue that they're anything but utter shit. They should have just stuck to 2D; their artists are actually good at that, and managed to create some beautifully stylistic and flowing animations with it.

And I wouldn't say that complaining about graphics is childish. If I were complaining about low polygon counts or the lack of high-tech lighting environments... then yeah, that would be a bit ridiulous. What I am in fact complaining about is the way that the series took a step backward in the stylistic department, going from the aforementioned flowing, beautifully done 2D sprites to shoddy 3D battles that look like they were spewed forth from an old, stylistically dead N64 game. And yes, graphics are a perfectly valid aspect of a game to take into account and judge, and always have been. Gameplay may be king, but it's not alone.

And did I ever say that the graphics were the only reason I liked Fire Emblem? No. I loved the characters, and the story, and the music of Rekka, and the gameplay was good too; it led me to go out and find out more about the series. PoR's characters weren't as well done; they lacked support conversations, and weren't as interesting to me as a whole. The writing was thoroughly uninspired. Not the plot itself, but when it was put into words and text... meh. I don't know whether to blame the original writers or the localization team, but either way, something went horribly wrong.

I wasn't too impressed with PoR's music, either. Rekka had some really sweet tunes which I spent a lot of time messing with in the soundroom. I especially enjoyed What Comes From Darkness and the Black Fang theme. Very good music.

Of the old FEs, the only one I've played was Geneaology of the Holy War, which was an amazing game. The gameplay was a blast, but it was the atmosphere, story, and characters that really made it what it was. And it had the extremely cool generation thing going on, which I wish more games would take inspiration from. Did PoR have any similarly cool or interesting story/gameplay elements? No. It didn't.

[Fyxe]

*Hugs Neon Z for making her feel less alone in her support for the much maligned PoR*

You seem to be right about the generic model thing, too.

However, criticism of Rekka isn't fair, though. Rekka No Ken is very similar to the previous game because it was the first one released outside of Japan, which is why they didn't go overboard with the complexity. Also, it has a wonderful and remarkably deep plot (especially for those lucky sods who've played both Elibe games).

Edit: Well, damn, l-o-s posts while I do.

Fyxe: The cutscenes look nice, but it's hard to enjoy them when I'm wincing at the horrendous voice-acting the whole time.

Come on, there was like, virtually zero voice acting and the last game, and as dubs go, it isn't that bad. I didn't like Ike's voice, but that's horrendously nitpicky. Greil's voice was great, for one thing.

And yes, the graphics were shit. I'm talking battle graphics here, for clarification, and I don't see how anyone could argue that they're anything but utter shit. They should have just stuck to 2D; their artists are actually good at that, and managed to create some beautifully stylistic and flowing animations with it.

No, offense, but yawn. They're not 'utter shit'. I have no idea what you're expecting. They've made PoR now, this is a direct sequel, do you think they should create an entirely new graphic engine? Yeah, if you don't mind waiting another year for a direct sequel.

And I wouldn't say that complaining about graphics is childish. If I were complaining about low polygon counts or the lack of high-tech lighting environments... then yeah, that would be a bit ridiulous. What I am in fact complaining about is the way that the series took a step backward in the stylistic department, going from the aforementioned flowing, beautifully done 2D sprites to shoddy 3D battles that look like they were spewed forth from an old, stylistically dead N64 game.

No, they look like they're homaging the old, realistic styled sprites from the SNES games, namely Seisen No Keifu. That is what the graphics are based on. They quite closely imitate the graphic from those old games, and they're NOT utter shit. Just because they're not flashy 2D sprites, that doesn't mean they're shit. It's a style difference, not a quality difference. Like TWW compared to TP. Besides, what if they DID do the sprites, hm? It would look just like one of the GBA games played on the Game Boy Player. I don't want that. I want something *different*. They've released three GBA games already.

And yes, graphics are a perfectly valid aspect of a game to take into account and judge, and always have been. Gameplay may be king, but it's not alone.

The problem is that you're going ON about it. It's like, the biggest criticism of PoR and that's not fair on the game. It's childish that people just turn off the game just because the graphics are not to their taste. I thought the graphics were fine. I didn't even think they looked bad. I thought some of the animations were a bit stilted, but that's it, and they've FIXED that for the new one.

they lacked support conversations,

Eh? No they didn't.

and weren't as interesting to me as a whole.

There's actually a reason for this. Rekka No Ken is playing off a massive backstory from the first game. PoR is, like the FE6, setting up for the sequel. I think you'll find that the characters are generally more interesting in this sequel. Personally I found the characters in PoR fairly interesting anyway.

The writing was thoroughly uninspired. Not the plot itself, but when it was put into words and text... meh. I don't know whether to blame the original writers or the localization team, but either way, something went horribly wrong.

Um, quite honestly, I didn't notice this whatsoever. The writing seems exactly the same quality as the previous FE games. There's just a bit more of it. I don't know what you're talking about here. I think your memory of Rekka must be seen through rose-tinted glasses.

Of the old SNES FEs, the only one I've played was Geneaology of the Holy War, which was an amazing game. The gameplay was a blast, but it was the atmosphere, story, and characters that really made it what it was. And it had the extremely cool generation thing going on, which I wish more games would take inspiration from. Did PoR have any similarly cool or interesting story/gameplay elements? No. It didn't.

No, but neither have any of the other FE games. And I'd actually criticise Seisen No Keifu's gameplay for simply being too vague and too relying on luck, at least in the early stages.

Not that I've played much of Seisen yet, the translation bugs me.

Edited by Fyxe, 12 February 2007 - 05:37 PM.

[TJ]

I really didn't want to join in on this, but do I have to say a few things. I'm not gonna quote because there's too much going on. XD

The first thing I'd like to address is that graphics. The battle graphics are average at best, especially considering that this is now a next gen system they're being put on. The PoR graphics fall under the same category, but I thought that excusable since it was FE first 3D game. This newest game doesn't have that as a crutch to lean on. But at the same time, you have to remember what kind of game this is. This is a SRPG, and I very rarely seen anything pretty from those guys. It's also from from being game damaging, since the portraits and cutscenes are visual candy. =p

Oh, and about the voice acting, I'm totally desensitized. I've been playing baten kaitos. >.>;

About the character's being weak, I really don't see what is meant by that. FE has never really had deep character's (with the exception of some FE7's, but thats only available through supports), but I think that those in PoR were some of the best, personally. They had some really interesting people in your party, and their dialogue was kept smart and in character, which was a joy sometimes (looks at Shinon and Soren ^^). But PoR did really disappoint me for one thing character wise. one of my favorite parts of the GBA FE's was the supports and their little stories at the end. There are no stories at the end (which is of course because they're gonna be resolved in this game), but the support selection was horrible. And to add insult to injury, a good hunk of PoR supports were taken away from the English version.

For the gameplay complaints, I really don't see the problem. >.>; I know gameplay is really subjective, but apart from some small nitpicky things, there's not much to change for me. And if those were changed, it wouldn't affect the greater scheme so much. xp

[Mystic Kitsune]

The problem is that you're going ON about it. It's like, the biggest criticism of PoR and that's not fair on the game. It's childish that people just turn off the game just because the graphics are not to their taste. I thought the graphics were fine. I didn't even think they looked bad. I thought some of the animations were a bit stilted, but that's it, and they've FIXED that for the new one.

Opinion Fyxe...opinion. Leave it alone.

Eh? No they didn't.

I agree with "lacked" in the aspect that they weren't too lengthy or in-depth.

[lord-of-shadow]

Meh. I enjoyed PoR, and I'll buy and enjoy Goddess of the Dawn. I'm just a bitter dissapointed pseudo-FE fan who likes to complain and prefered the style of 6 and 7 to PoR. I'll shut up now.

[Neon Z]

Oh please, Zeon. I never said that I didn't like FE's gameplay. I said it wasn't enough to carry the game on its own.

That seems to me basically a "I don't like FE's gameplay".

My first Fire Emblem was Monshou no Nazo and I played that game to the end basically only for the gameplay (and the soundtrack).

Meh. I enjoyed PoR, and I'll buy and enjoy Goddess of the Dawn. I'm just a bitter dissapointed pseudo-FE fan who likes to complain and prefered the style of 6 and 7 to PoR. I'll shut up now.

Just one bit... Have you seen videos of the battle animations of this game? Do you really think they're as bad as PoR's?

Edited by Neon Z, 13 February 2007 - 06:50 AM.

[Fyxe]

Opinion Fyxe...opinion. Leave it alone.

Kitsune, that's my *point*. People shouldn't state it as an ultimate fact that the graphics are bad if they just didn't like the style. I'm sorry if it gets me riled up, but it's been an annoyance to me ever since TWW was announced and people complained like crazy about the 'shit' graphics.

I agree with "lacked" in the aspect that they weren't too lengthy or in-depth.

Hm. I thought they were pretty long. Sometimes too long. They weren't as in-depth as Blazing Sword, but they were an improvement on most of Sacred Stone's conversations (although I still love Sacred Stones anyway).

The lack of alternate endings based on supports *is* bad though, although since they planned a direct sequel, I can see why they cut it.

Edited by Fyxe, 13 February 2007 - 08:15 AM.

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

tWW...

>.>

<.<

*Flame Shield*

Me, I've only played The Wind Waker and liked it a lot. By only played The Wind Waker I mean that its the only LOZ game I've played through. I've gotten a way through TP for GC, but I'm waiting to finish it until the opportune moment, say once I get it for Wii. I know so many people think WW was horrible... but why? If you don't have any other Zelda Games to compare it to... then its fun.

EDIT: Sorry for digressing...

Anyway...

*Uber Flame Shield*

Why don't you just enjoy the game? Try to ignore what you thought about previous games. Rather then saying, "wow this sucks", pass it by and go to something you like. You know, you should just play to have fun. I liked pwning with Boyd in FE9 so much that by chapter 16 he was a warrior (normal mode). Now I admit it was troubling later, but games are made for fun, for living for the moment, doing things you can't do in real life. Working incredibly hard to get the best party and best play-through, go ahead if its fun for you. I don't see why graphics matter so much anyway. Don't think "oh that looks dumb..." think "heh, thats different". In WW everyone says "ugh it looks dumb now i have to be a moron and ooooooze through the game and not have any fun because it looks different." You know what I was doing, Calling to my brother "Hey, Ben, look at this! isn't that kinda funny?" LOZ and FE are absurd anyway, A kid going out against impossible odds and winning, a band of teenage children going out and fighting. In FE7, Lyn, Eliwood and Hector can be over 18. When Lyn gets hit with a sword wearing cloth and she doesn't die, isn't even hindered in her attacks, is that very realistic? No. It isn't like that because that wouldn't be as fun. Its stupid anyway, but we still play it. Kinda why people watch Mel Brooks movies... *ahem* Now I know what I'm saying is going to anger people, but I'm trying to get you to play a game for what it is. Look up game on dictionary.com: 1. an amusement or pastime: children's games. It's not something to get that worked up over.

I know someone is going to say, "then why are you getting worked up over it?" I'm getting worked up over people getting worked up and arguing and saying things that most likely aren't very true. If a game has less than great graphics, do you stop playing? Most people I know play it anyway. Later you say it sucks, but if it did why did you play it? What you mean is it wasn't as fun as you expected. So stop lying and saying that FE9 has terrible total shit graphics. I didn't even play with animations because I wanted to get back to the gameplay!

Now if you excuse me, I have to go to bed if I don't want to drop dead by third period.

Ta.

Edited by Jack Sparrow, 15 February 2007 - 11:10 AM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

Unfortunately, you're the only one who seems to play games that way. You have a life, I'm happy for you.

LOZ and FE are absurd anyway, A kid going out against impossible odds and winning, a band of teenage children going out and fighting

Japan = Teen heroes. No one wants to see an old man as a hero. I mean, why are you complaining about this when they have blue/light blue/green hair, neh?

I know so many people think WW was horrible... but why? If you don't have any other Zelda Games to compare it to... then its fun.

I love it! With/without comparison I loved it.

But yes, I don't want to go quote by quote, but there's something about our games that get everyone worked up over, I mean, face it, you can't get everyone to agree with you on the "treat it like a game thing".

...its like telling the zelda story-liners to stop with their storyline speculations and such.

On a side note: Are you who you think you are? You sound a lot like him.
^disregard if you're not who I think you are.

[Fyxe]

No one wants to see an old man as a hero.

I'd actually like that. That'd be cool. We need more kickass Jaigans, rather then Jaigans who become sucky.

[Mystic Kitsune]

That would be awesome, yes.

I was talking about most people in general. Why you guys hate Marcus?

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Unfortunately, you're the only one who seems to play games that way. You have a life, I'm happy for you.

Untrue and untrue. 1) I know quite a bit of people who play like me, theres just a lot who don't... 2) What's this life thing you speak of?

On a side note: Are you who you think you are? You sound a lot like him.

If you mean the Jack Sparrow thing... What can I say, Pirates of the Caribbean is my favorite movie. There are just a lot of people around me who enjoy my imitation of Cap'n Jack. Really, I sound just like him (in real life). Some people have me do it over and over because it's so funny when you apply it to real life.

Japan = Teen heroes. No one wants to see an old man as a hero. I mean, why are you complaining about this when they have blue/light blue/green hair, neh?

I'm not complaining. I love FE. All im saying is that I accept that it is absurd that they are so young. But like i said before, blow over what you don't like and focus on what you do. The hair color, absurd, yet awesome.

I love it! With/without comparison I loved it.

WHOOOOOO!!!!!! YOU ROCK THE WORLD, GIRL!!!!!

But yes, I don't want to go quote by quote, but there's something about our games that get everyone worked up over, I mean, face it, you can't get everyone to agree with you on the "treat it like a game thing".

I know that. Not to sound self-centered, just posting common thought of my friends and family, I am pretty smart. I realize that hardly anyone will really view games differently, they are them, not me. I just wish that people would stop lying. Some of these people sound like it pains them to play the game! It makes me want to shoot an undead monkey.

...its like telling the zelda story-liners to stop with their storyline speculations and such.

they will speculate until the end of the universe and every time they get something solid, something else will mess it up.

Edit:

I don't hate marcus, i hate the game designers for making him worthless after 2 chapters, savvy?(overstatement, i know)

Edited by Jack Sparrow, 15 February 2007 - 09:29 PM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

No, I meant you sounded like someone close to me in real life, but yeah. Sorry about that ^^;

Untrue and untrue. 1) I know quite a bit of people who play like me, theres just a lot who don't... 2) What's this life thing you speak of?

Yeah...I was speaking of the majority who don't. I'd like to see people who think the way. The life thing? Well being able to take the game for what it is instead of starting a mass murder streak in several neighborhoods for people who disagree with you.

WHOOOOOO!!!!!! YOU ROCK THE WORLD, GIRL!!!!!

Thank you ^^;

I know that. Not to sound self-centered, just posting common thought of my friends and family, I am pretty smart. I realize that hardly anyone will really view games differently, they are them, not me. I just wish that people would stop lying. Some of these people sound like it pains them to play the game! It makes me want to shoot an undead monkey.

Friends and family? I wish I had friends and family like yours ;_; A game never pains me until I calculate the money spent, how fun it was, and if there was any other game that I should've bought instead.

Well, anyways the new FE game is going to be out in a couple of days and Ill just snag it whether its good or not.

I don't hate marcus, i hate the game designers for making him worthless after 2 chapters, savvy?(overstatement, i know)

Thats true. Unless you use him later in the game..with the more advance people, where as he gets better training then he would earlier.

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Yeah...I was speaking of the majority who don't. I'd like to see people who think the way. The life thing? Well being able to take the game for what it is instead of starting a mass murder streak in several neighborhoods for people who disagree with you.

Heh, mass murder streak...

Friends and family? I wish I had friends and family like yours ;_;

Meh, family sure. I wish I had friends like you think I do. More properly would be: My family believes I'm smart. I also have aquaintances who grimly accept that it is so.

Edited by Jack Sparrow, 15 February 2007 - 11:58 PM.

[Fyxe]

My family believes I'm smart. I also have aquaintances who grimly accept that it is so.

Why, so modest too. ¬.¬

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Has Jack Sparrow ever been shown being modest?

I know that. Not to sound self-centered, just posting common thought of my friends and family, I am pretty smart.