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[Mystic Kitsune]

For anyone whos intrested:

http://gonintendo.co...os/up166500.jpg

^obviously Lucia, Elincia, and Geoffrey

http://gonintendo.co...s/fireem_01.jpg

^someone said Ike, but it seems more like Zelgius to me.

http://gonintendo.co...os/up166499.jpg

^two peoples I haven't seen before

I aplogise if you people have seen this stuff already.

Edited by Mystic Kitsune, 19 January 2007 - 01:02 AM.

[Sety II]

Its pretty obvious its Zelgius.

Of another note the JPN release date is 22nd of February.

Some more screens







I think I'll be personally holding off for a while on this, it looks pretty damn ugly to be honest not to mention it doesn't seem they've added anything major yet.

[Mystic Kitsune]

I think I'll be personally holding off for a while on this, it looks pretty damn ugly to be honest not to mention it doesn't seem they've added anything major yet.

Ill do you the favor of getting it on release. Ill tell you if anything's changed or not. 22nd of Feb? Ill be sure to start saving up for that.

When's the US release?

[Fyxe]

That blonde archer guy is SO CUTE. *Drool*

I'm getting this as soon as it's released (which, given that I live in Europe, could be a loooong time from now). Path of Radiance *needed* a proper finish. The plot was never completed. Hopefully this game will finally make sense of all the unfinished plot threads, and I'm sure it'll have a darker tone to it.

Who cares if it doesn't look much different to the previous edition? Feh. Fire Emblem is about pretty character designs and interesting twisting plots.

...Seriously, Leonardo (the Archer) is so pretty.

Edit: Also, lookie! There's a laguz girl in that first scan that Kitsune gave. Floofy. Ohhhh, according to Wikipedia, she's a new type of laguz, a Wolf.

Edited by Fyxe, 19 January 2007 - 07:50 AM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

Who cares if it doesn't look much different to the previous edition? Feh. Fire Emblem is about pretty character designs and interesting twisting plots.

I really don't care. I'm not the type who prefers change anyway. Im quite interested to see the wrap-up though. I want to see another GBA or a new DS release though....I like FE like that much better for some reason.

Edit: Also, lookie! There's a laguz girl in that first scan that Kitsune gave. Floofy. Ohhhh, according to Wikipedia, she's a new type of laguz, a Wolf.

Now the question is why they just didn't put in a Kitsune -.-

Edited by Mystic Kitsune, 19 January 2007 - 08:02 AM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

EDIT: Huh? That was a weird double post O.o

Edited by Mystic Kitsune, 19 January 2007 - 08:03 AM.

[Fyxe]

I was referring to Sety, who said it looked ugly. But how can anything look ugly with such pretty characters?

If you want pretty from Intelligent Systems, Super Paper Mario will cover that. FE is about gameplay and plot and hawt peoples.

Anyway, yes, I agree, they need a DS version. I personally would like a sequel or prequel to Sacred Stones, but that's just me.

[Mystic Kitsune]

To answer my own question, most sites are saying Q4 2007 for the US release, and unknown for UK.

Oh, and I saw there were two FE games (Seisen no Keifu and Mystery of the Emblem) on the virtual console, but Im not sure if thats only within Japan or not.

[Fyxe]

Only Japan so far, to my hatred of the universe.

[Sety II]

If you want pretty from Intelligent Systems, Super Paper Mario will cover that. FE is about gameplay and plot and hawt peoples.

Somehow I think FE/Super Paper Mario are completely different uncomparable games....

The graphics just look poor in general, they're virtually identical to the GCN version except it looks worse since we're on a brand new console with last generation graphics. I'd rather they'd go back to using dynamic 2D sprites in a Namco/Banpresto style combined with 3D elements and go for better flow than if they're gonna do only passable pure 3D that looks awkward.

Gameplay, pah...GCN was a glorified GBA game which was just pretending to be a S-RPG. It was lacking most of the things in FE5 a game from two generations ago, is only starting to bring back now. I never minded the downgrades on the GBA games simply because they were handheld. Had no replay value so to speak due to no route splits, alternating paths and that the second half of the game was tedious as hell. Terrain is looking to almost be as much a throwaway gameplay element as the last two games and they'd better actually give pushing some actual usuage this time. I was a fan of FE for gameplay and its the lack of it as of late which is putting me off.

Least they could do is try animating the portrait abit in the scenes this time. >_>

Also plot is questionable when it wasn't even finished in FE9. That and half the supports in the game were never added, if the plot was actually done as well as the last few games than I wouldn't be so dissapointed.

Oh, and I saw there were two FE games (Seisen no Keifu and Mystery of the Emblem) on the virtual console, but Im not sure if thats only within Japan or not.

JPN only. They released them both over Xmas as I recall.

Anyway, yes, I agree, they need a DS version. I personally would like a sequel or prequel to Sacred Stones, but that's just me.

DS version would be wonderful. Though in terms of a plot, I'd like another darker epic like the Judgral world of FE's heyday. It'd definitely help the graphics point at least if they went back to what they did best. Way I see it, its better to perfect something they're good in then make a blind stab at something you obviously aren't.

Edited by Sety II, 19 January 2007 - 09:24 AM.

[Sety II]

Just another note.

But it seems that Production I.G. are doing the CG movies for FE again. At least the FMV's will be nice from that fact alone, I.G. are gods of animation.

[Fyxe]

Somehow I think FE/Super Paper Mario are completely different uncomparable games....

Did I say that? No.

The graphics just look poor in general, they're virtually identical to the GCN version except it looks worse since we're on a brand new console with last generation graphics.

Your logic defies reason. It doesn't look worse.

I'd rather they'd go back to using dynamic 2D sprites in a Namco/Banpresto style

Ew. Ew ew ew. Sprites, yeah, fine, but in that hideous stupid chibi style? No thanks.

combined with 3D elements and go for better flow than if they're gonna do only passable pure 3D that looks awkward. Pretty people isn't really any good if it only applies to them in portraits.

For goddess's sake, I don't know why people go on about this. The battle models looked fine in Path of Radiance. Everyone was recognisable and looked good and it had this nice slightly cel-shaded style. The animations themselves were styled on those of Seisen and Thracia.

Gameplay, pah...GCN was a glorified GBA game which was just pretending to be a S-RPG.

The heck? The GBA games WERE Strategy RPGs. Glorified or not it's still the same damn system. I'd argue that most of the missions in PoR involved much more varied play styles than in the GBA games anyway.

It was lacking most of the things in FE5 a game from two generations ago, is only starting to bring back now. I never minded the downgrades on the GBA games simply because they were handheld.

4 and 5 were great games, but they weren't that amazing. FE5 didn't have *that* much that made it so different from the GBA games. The GBA games have lots of features that make them possibly more enjoyable than FE5. FE4 is a different issue, as it seems to use a very different style. I wouldn't mind a return to that, but so far that's not happening.

Had no replay value so to speak due to no route splits, alternating paths and that the second half of the game was tedious as hell. Terrain is looking to almost be as much a throwaway gameplay element as the last two games and they'd better actually give pushing some actual usuage this time.

Bah, terrain. Terrain terrain terrain. People blather about terrain but ignore all the new things that PoR added, like the laguz, the return of the skills and varied mission objectives and in Japan, crazy difficulty. Yes, I'd agree though, the lack of alternate missions and paths was a hinderance. But PoR was a big game on it's own. And, like I mentioned, Japan had the 'Maniac' mode or whatever it was.

Also plot is questionable when it wasn't even finished in FE9.

That's because they were always, clearly, planning to do a sequel that ties everything up.

DS version would be wonderful. Though in terms of a plot, I'd like another darker epic like the Judgral world of FE's heyday. It'd definitely help the graphics point at least if they went back to what they did best. Way I see it, its better to perfect something they're good in then make a blind stab at something you obviously aren't.

I'd say some of the recent games have been plenty dark. I don't want to insult a good game, but like OoT, FE4 is overrated in the FE community. It's not perfect, not by any means. It's very clever and very good but it's not perfect.

My argument for Goddess of Dawn is that since they're obviously not worrying about the game engine or the graphics, the fact that they're not doing something from scratch, that it's actual missions and plot will surpass PoR to a good deal. For one thing, Dark magic is back. That can only be a good thing in my book.

I think, put together, both games can make up an epic.

Edited by Fyxe, 19 January 2007 - 09:35 AM.

[Sety II]

Did I say that? No.

You implied it by randomly bringing it in. So yes.

Your logic defies reason. It doesn't look worse.

Its proportionate. You take a game which looked only average last time, then put it on a much better console without even fixing all those jagged edges and bland textures then it does. Hence why I'm waiting on opinions of whether they fix the damn gameplay first before I consider buying it, its the only thing its got going for it right now.

Ew. Ew ew ew. Sprites, yeah, fine, but in that hideous stupid chibi style? No thanks.

Referring more to 'dynamics' than chibis. IS are perfectly capable of full sized sprites, they've proven that before with FE5, all they'd have to do is refine themselves.

The heck? The GBA games WERE Strategy RPGs.

You missed the point. FE8 and FE9 had little in the way of 'strategy'. It was simply levelup and massacre with absolutely no restraints which makes it feel more like a RPG. There wasn't really many additions to justify the jump to home console when it was fine on handheld.

For goddess's sake, I don't know why people go on about this.

Because if the gameplay lacks than people would expect better graphics at least?

FE5 didn't have *that* much that made it so different from the GBA games.

-More refined capture system.
-Better stealing system.
-Way more balance.
-No gimmicky systems thrown in without being used. (Looking at you pushing)
-Varies mission objectives more.
-Less linear, you had multiple ways of going about some missions.
-Multiple routes.
-Skills were less luck based due to higher activations.
-Money didn't come like a flood with no effort put in.
-Ranking gave you some reason to replay
-Leadership.
-Better level design.
-Staves having greater effect.
-Enemies that didn't run in and die blindly....
-Recruiting new units actually took abit of effort. FE9 virtually gave them on a silver platter except for like 2.

Bah, terrain. Terrain terrain terrain. People blather about terrain but ignore all the new things that PoR added, like the laguz, the return of the skills and varied mission objectives and in Japan, crazy difficulty.

-Laguz were throwaway half-baked wannabe Mamkutes
-Skills either got nerfed except for a certain two or three which were appallingly broken.
-Varied mission objectives were thrown out the window halfway through the game for kill everything.
-The Maniac mode was only hard was like the first few chapters until your units promoted since all they had was inflated stats and numbers but were dumber than a rock.
-Terrain was a true double edged sword which was used well. In FE9 virtually nothing stands a chance since they have nothing you do and you get everything.

That's because they were always, clearly, planning to do a sequel that ties everything up.

Not really. Its known FE9 was delayed by a year or two because the first version was regarded horrible so they had to remake it. Even those who've dived into FE9's data have found all kinds of unfinished convo's, supports, units and event data which suggest that they just wrapped up what they could and ran with it.


I wish you just wouldn't jump on me like a rabid fangirl everytime I voice my opinion. I have my own reasons for not liking the game.

Edited by Sety II, 19 January 2007 - 01:22 PM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

Speaking of FE9 problems, the support system was not too good this time around.

...yeah, kinda small comment after these past few posts.

[Sety II]

Speaking of FE9 problems, the support system was not too good this time around.

...yeah, kinda small comment after these past few posts.

Short posts are nicer anyway.

But supports was something I liked in FE9. They were easier and quicker to get this time round and had abit more reward. They were just abit limited and the conversations really ran on.

[Mystic Kitsune]

Yeah, the easyness was good, but not being able to read them later, and the fact they didn't really explain much made me not like it too much.

The way Taureneo...(sp?) and Rolf's support was going, it sounded almost as if Taureneo was Rolf's father o.o

That was probably one of the only supports that made me want to read the next one.

Did you complete maniac mode in FE9, by the way?

[Sety II]

Yeah, I completed it way back when the game originally came out. Though I was playing completely blindly back then.

Actually I have a screen I made from way back on my first Maniac playthrough.

EDIT:
http://img.photobuck...you/haarbad.jpg

That'd be it. Those kind of scenarios were rather common in Maniac mode. Ignore the text if you can, it was because of a joke someone made about him being a pirate that I stuck it on... n_n;

Edited by Sety II, 19 January 2007 - 03:50 PM.

[Fyxe]

For once I'd like to talk to someone on this board other than Sety about FE. I can't be damned to deal with his overly biased criticism. I'm not kidding. I'm not even going to start to rebute those points because you're so blatantly biased against any positives of PoR whatsoever.

I mean, you do realise that it was the first console Fire Emblem released outside of Japan, right? You do realise they took that into account when they made it? You understand that FE5 was a long time ago, right? I don't think ya do.

[Mad Scrub]

I've never actually completed any of the Fire Emblem games. I keep making mistakes, a character dies and I reset the machine (because I don't want any of my characters to die) and it gets frustrating sometimes. I seem to be having more of a hard time with PoR than I did with the GBA games. Still I'll keep at it, complete it eventually and buy the sequel.

[Mystic Kitsune]

For once I'd like to talk to someone on this board other than Sety about FE. I can't be damned to deal with his overly biased criticism. I'm not kidding. I'm not even going to start to rebute those points because you're so blatantly biased against any positives of PoR whatsoever.

I dont exist? -.-

I've never actually completed any of the Fire Emblem games. I keep making mistakes, a character dies and I reset the machine (because I don't want any of my characters to die) and it gets frustrating sometimes. I seem to be having more of a hard time with PoR than I did with the GBA games. Still I'll keep at it, complete it eventually and buy the sequel.

Not even the GBA ones? You could ask for help, you know.

Yeah, I completed it way back when the game originally came out. Though I was playing completely blindly back then.

Actually I have a screen I made from way back on my first Maniac playthrough.

EDIT:
http://img.photobuck...you/haarbad.jpg

That'd be it. Those kind of scenarios were rather common in Maniac mode. Ignore the text if you can, it was because of a joke someone made about him being a pirate that I stuck it on... n_n;

Yeah...maniac mode sucked. A lot.

Playing blindly? All this time I thought you understood japanese text ^^;

[Sety II]

I can't be damned to deal with his overly biased criticism. I'm not kidding.

And you're not biased? You use 'pretty character designs' as a point. I recognize FE9's good points but I also recognize its flaws. Its not even anything to do with that, you just jump on me kicking and screaming like a fangirl with rabies whenever I say anything that is to your disliking regardless.

Playing blindly? All this time I thought you understood japanese text ^^;

Not fluently, I understand bits and bobs. By blind I meant more I dived into the deep end without playing through it first or checking out any spoilers, wanted to keep it a new experience for myself y'know? I like being a perfectionist but its never really worth going for it first time round.

I've never actually completed any of the Fire Emblem games. I keep making mistakes, a character dies and I reset the machine (because I don't want any of my characters to die) and it gets frustrating sometimes.

I'd suggest just don't reset. Sometimes its just not worth it, you can always come back on a second playthrough and be more prepared if you honestly. Or focus on smaller groups of characters rather than spreading levels evenly.

Edited by Sety II, 20 January 2007 - 09:12 AM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

Not fluently, I understand bits and bobs. By blind I meant more I dived into the deep end without playing through it first or checking out any spoilers, wanted to keep it a new experience for myself y'know? I like being a perfectionist but its never really worth going for it first time round.

Ah...all this time I thought you were japanese ^^;

I see what you mean though.

Which was the first FE game you played? 7?

[Fyxe]

And you're not biased? You use 'pretty character designs' as a point.

Hi, I'm called Lighthearted Comment. Occasionally I exist within text. Try to spot me.

I recognize FE9's good points but I also recognize its flaws. Its not even anything to do with that, you just jump on me kicking and screaming like a fangirl with rabies whenever I say anything that is to your disliking regardless.

Yes, that's precisely what happened Sety. Precisely. I didn't just dismiss you out of hand due to your unwaveringly one-sidedness, instead I lept on you and beat you up and acted like a 'fangirl'. The doctors have your pills now.

Edited by Fyxe, 20 January 2007 - 09:37 PM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

...so I still don't exist? x.x

[Sety II]

Ah...all this time I thought you were japanese ^^;

I see what you mean though.

Which was the first FE game you played? 7?

I play enough random games to eventually work my way round, it helps that I used to understand chinese, so yeah. Throw in abit of common sense and its not too hard.

Technically it was 3, the FE remake/sequel. But I actually didn't like it at all, I never bothered playing more than a few chapters. The first FE I beat was FE5. The capture/steal system, gritty atmosphere and music really was what got me hooked along with just how well made some missions were, the prison chapter I'm fond of especially.

This was during a time where I was in a SNES emulation craze and was trying out as many games I could in hopes of finding hidden gems. You tend to get lots of time to kill when your in your first two years of High School. Also I had a relative who'd sent me imported GBA games so I got a hold of FE6 as well.

Edited by Sety II, 21 January 2007 - 08:42 AM.

[Fyxe]

...so I still don't exist? x.x

Who said that?

No, I'm sorry, you do exist, of course you do. But I've talked to you outside the board, I just meant specifically on the board, it seems that Sety's the only one who knows a jot about FE here, and he's always so critical of any game other than the Judgral ones, an attitude that's just getting a bit tiresome because it's not just limited to Sety. It just reminds me of how everyone still goes nuts about OoT despite it being a lesser game to the other 3D Zeldas. Not that I'm saying FE4 and 5 are lesser, anyway. To be honest, the majority of differences between each individual FE game are so minimal, really (except for FE4 and Gaiden, I suppose) that there's not much point in criticising games that don't, in whoever's opinion, come up to par, because it's still the same basic enjoyable system with minor tweaks here and there.

Edited by Fyxe, 21 January 2007 - 06:02 PM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

Hmm...well I dont comment on games I never beat. So If I seem to revolve around FE6-10, dont hurt me. >.>

To be honest, the majority of differences between each individual FE game are so minimal, really (except for FE4 and Gaiden, I suppose) that there's not much point in criticising games that don't, in whoever's opinion, come up to par, because it's still the same basic enjoyable system with minor tweaks here and there.

Yes, as far as 6-10 go, there aren't too many differences.

And differences are good sometimes too ^^

[Sety II]

and he's always so critical of any game other than the Judgral ones

Actually its only the Magvel/Telius ones. I liked Lycia and Valencia. Akaneia I'm impartial to.

It just reminds me of how everyone still goes nuts about OoT despite it being a lesser game to the other 3D Zeldas.

And now completely off topic....Majora's Mask is my favourite.

So If I seem to revolve around FE6-10, dont hurt me. >.>

Unfortunately I'll have to torture you until you tell me your corporate secret of how you got a unreleased game.

These look familiar to you?

http://img147.imagev...2_122_488lo.jpg
http://img40.imageve...1_122_468lo.jpg
http://img109.imagev...9_122_480lo.jpg
http://img12.imageve...8_122_520lo.jpg
http://img165.imagev...7_122_476lo.jpg

The information says theres 44 chapters too...ringing any bells huh? HUH?!

Edited by Sety II, 22 January 2007 - 02:56 PM.

[Mystic Kitsune]

I meant 9, dammit! Well, 10 in a month. But yeah.

And now completely off topic....Majora's Mask is my favourite.

Mine too ^^

[Fyxe]

Mine three.

Must be a FE fan thing.