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[TheAvengerLever]

No, but the bit before it, which states, "On the day the LORD gives you relief from suffering and turmoil and cruel bondage, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon," (Isaiah 14:3-4) kinda implies that the words in Isaiah 14:12-15 are about and deliberately directed at the King of Babylon. After all the taunt that starts at Isaiah 14:5 doesn't really end until Isaiah 14:24.

You're forgetting double fufillment...Isaiah could be illustrating the manners of the King of Babylon by relating him with the story of Satan...this goes for Ezekiel and the King of Tyre, even though that makes clear references to the Garden of Eden and the anointed Cherub.

No, it's quite apt, because if you had read the bit before it, you would have known that Isaiah 14:12-15 is part of a taunt against the King of Babylon.

I've read the bit before it...I know that it's a reference to the King of Babylon. But that still doesn't make "Once, I was stoned" apt at all, since you clearly understand what he's talking about.

God-inspired and completely accurate are two different things, however. The Bible cannot be completely accurate, because it states that hares chew the cud (they don't) and that bats are birds (which they aren't), amongst a few other inaccuracies that defy reality.

Read this:Click

[spunky-monkey]

It's pointless trying to nitpick on small details like that in the Bible, the only thing that worries me about it's accuracy is the lacking of the Gospel of Jesus. It's existence is quoted several times in the other books as the only proper guide that can establish true faith (i.e. lift mountains, heal the sick, cast out demons, save you from this world)

How can somebody tell me that God is just not a fallible being, when this person in itself does not know or cannot possibly understand what the hell he is talking about, concerning God itself. If you take into consideration that the word perfect cannot be defined, then how can the world fallible as a hole? How can you possibly definine as a hole, the word Error? How can people define what an error or the word false is, when they themselves cannot define the ultimate truth or the word truth as a hole?

Problem is it's folly for us mortals to ignore our own flaws and call the eternal God 'fallible' when he/she isn't. God is GOD afterall. Not to mention the Bible demonstrates there is all too clear distinction between corruptable and incorruptable, flesh and spirit, we fell from grace and got cut off from God as a result. The Son of God understands our condition perfectly because he took on all of mankind's sins and (for three days) was ignored by his own father because sin is abominable to the Holy One.

[TheAvengerLever]

I only remember reading that Noah took his family and two of every animal. Not every little kid in the entire world.

Let's look at this logically.

First, let's start with the basic facts:

God is God. That means he can do no wrong.

Man isn't God. Man is imperfect and born with sin.

God sends the flood waters down onto the Earth and it kills these children.

God said in the Bible "I wish everyone were like little children, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these." God loves children.

Child dies. Child is recieved into the Kingdom of Heaven because child is innocent which would mean he is without sin and therefore is in Heaven.

Child is dead. Boohoo. But he's in heaven now so why should you care anyway?

[Selena]

Child is dead. Boohoo. But he's in heaven now so why should you care anyway?

I don't suppose we can use that same statement in abortion debates and get away with it, can we?

But, hey, a god sending down a wall of water to eliminate all but a sliver of humanity is another common theme among all old world religions and mythologies, so it's not that outlandish a story. Especially for the Old Testament badass version of the Biblical god that kicked ass and didn't bother to take names.

(He took therapy in between the Old and New Testaments, y'see)

The main reason I would not take the Biblical stories to be literal truth (well, aside from not being a believer...) is because their morals are the far more important part of the story. And if people focused more on that rather than digging through the snows of mountain peaks to find a boat, it'd probably be better for everyone. Nor do I truly approve of people desperately trying to disprove it in order to say 'ha ha! I told you!'

[TheAvengerLever]

The cold hard truth, Lena, is that some people are so busy trying to disprove it out of their own reason that they can't see what moral is in Biblical stories in the first place.

BTW, about the whole Ararat deal...if they find something, good for them. Until then I'm just going to sit back and watch them make fools of themselves trying.

Edited by TheAvengerButton, 17 December 2006 - 06:25 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Child is dead. Boohoo. But he's in heaven now so why should you care anyway?

Not if he didn't accept Christ

[Fyxe]

The cold hard truth, Lena, is that some people are so busy trying to disprove it out of their own reason that they can't see what moral is in Biblical stories in the first place.

I think you'll find that most people understand and accept the morals in the Bible, except, for, y'know, the whole 'gay people are evil' and 'women are subordinate' and 'thou shalt only haft two cows' stuff.

I don't think murderers, for instance, are that bothered with trying to spend their time disproving the Bible.

[Alardonin]

Let's look at this logically.

First, let's start with the basic facts:

God is God. That means he can do no wrong.

Man isn't God. Man is imperfect and born with sin.

God sends the flood waters down onto the Earth and it kills these children.

God said in the Bible "I wish everyone were like little children, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these." God loves children.

Child dies. Child is recieved into the Kingdom of Heaven because child is innocent which would mean he is without sin and therefore is in Heaven.

Child is dead. Boohoo. But he's in heaven now so why should you care anyway?

No wrong, in what literal sense? No wrong as in our definitions and views of what is wrong? No wrong as in, can an evil decision actually be a right one? Can you actually criticise everything you might se as wrong, as the trully right way? If God exits how could people possibly know the deapths of it, when Gods ways were seen and translated by Human ways and words.

We know that god defines sin as a wrong doing, only because of what you heard from a fellow imperfect being....... If i had to commit a sin in orther to save someones life, i would consider my actions as the right way, maybe not the God's ways.

If God has ways and if God considers Human actions as wrong or right as in sins, how can he be considered as a perfect being outside of our imperfect reasoning of what is wrong/right, truth/false, imperfect or perfect. How can the laws of God or better our reasoning of things, be the only real truth? If God can only be considered as perfect, only in our imperfect(if such even exits) ways..........

There is no other possible way, you can only see God as perfect, from you're own limits and because of these you cannot define them or understand them or even judge them, so how can you judge God as a perfect and a do no wrong being? How can you possibly know and understand, that what you are saying are facts? How can you define to me what logic is, specially concerning God?

[Fyxe]

Why would a perfect god not try and see existence through the eyes of humanity when he decides to judge us?

It is unfair to judge a person based on morals and judgements that no mortal could actually comprehend.

I'll say again though, perfection and infallibility is a philosophical and physical impossibility.

[TheAvengerLever]

Not if he didn't accept Christ

God always does what is right. For a person who cannot accept Christ--since a child cannot comprehend such an idea as God or understand the sacrifice of Jesus then the child automatically goes to heavne when it dies. Do you think handicapped people go to hell if they die? They can't possibly understand or comprehend God or Jesus.

There is no other possible way, you can only see God as perfect, from you're own limits and because of these you cannot define them or understand them or even judge them, so how can you judge God as a perfect and a do no wrong being? How can you possibly know and understand, that what you are saying are facts? How can you define to me what logic is, specially concerning God?

You aren't looking at it logically. How can God not be perfect? He can't.

Why would a perfect god not try and see existence through the eyes of humanity when he decides to judge us?

Helloooooo, Jesus? JESUS.

Edited by TheAvengerButton, 18 December 2006 - 06:20 PM.

[Selena]

Why would a perfect god not try and see existence through the eyes of humanity when he decides to judge us?

It is unfair to judge a person based on morals and judgements that no mortal could actually comprehend.

I thought the point of it all was to strive to be better than what simple mortal rules would dictate? I'm also quite sure that the Christian god is well aware of what humanity sees when it comes to morality and temptation. It's supposed to be difficult, trying and something that requires a lifetime of devotion.

As for morals that no mortal could comprehend? I don't know, I can comprehend all of the moral codes written down in the Bible. Even the stranger cultural ones. I just do not agree with them enough to be willing to devote myself to the belief system, nor do I agree with the religion as a whole, despite it having several codes worthy of living by.

Yes, it's impossible to be perfect. Thus the whole reason the big man sent down Jesus, which is when I really do get iffy about the religion, as anything that says 'I am the only way or you suffer' turns me away immediately. Nor do I enjoy the feelings of servitude it throws out. But, if you're willing to believe, you accept him and attempt to follow him as best you can. Both he and god understand that humans aren't perfect just fine. They just try to make you strive to be better than your average carbon monkey.

I personally favor Judaism to Christianity, although I follow neither, but that's just me. Regardless, I don't find it too difficult to understand or grasp. But I stop myself before I cross over to that line of "I don't like it or agree with it, so it must be wrong." Because quite frankly, I don't think anyone has the right to say that about any religion. Not even followers of one or the other.

I've done my ten rounds with the religion before, and now find myself at a comfortable place of acknowledging that it's there, understanding it, but keeping my distance willingly. That's what they believe, and it's fine with me. Just so long as they don't pressure me into anything or shove stuff down my throat, which, no, true followers aren't supposed to do, it's all fine and dandy. Or influence the government. Big fan of separation of church and state, especially in such a diverse country . Well, okay, the other ones too .

[Veteran]

God always does what is right. For a person who cannot accept Christ--since a child cannot comprehend such an idea as God or understand the sacrifice of Jesus then the child automatically goes to heavne when it dies. Do you think handicapped people go to hell if they die? They can't possibly understand or comprehend God or Jesus.

Free ticket to heaven.

[Fyxe]

As for morals that no mortal could comprehend? I don't know, I can comprehend all of the moral codes written down in the Bible. Even the stranger cultural ones. I just do not agree with them enough to be willing to devote myself to the belief system, nor do I agree with the religion as a whole, despite it having several codes worthy of living by.

I don't mean the ones we *can* comprehend. I'm talking about original sin and the flooding of mankind and all that jazz that we've been speaking about. The concept that God has morals far beyond human understanding that we all have to follow. I haven't been Babtised so if I die, no matter how nice I am, I go to hell due to original sin (cos women are ebil and can't resist a good apple), something which ticks me off for the same reason you don't like the whole Jesus ultimatium thing.

These are things that many Christians see as important morals. Believing in Jesus and being Christianed and all that. More important than *not being evil* or not casting stones and all that.

[Alardonin]

Helloooooo, Jesus? JESUS.

Wouldn't that in itself make him incomplete in relation to us? If God is what it is, you shouldn't have even considered fyxe using the word "try". There is just so many ways to see all of this.......

As for morals that no mortal could comprehend? I don't know, I can comprehend all of the moral codes written down in the Bible. Even the stranger cultural ones.

That's exactly my point! You can definitely comprehend what is written down in the bible, Why? Because it was written by a moral way comprehendable to you. What i'm saying is that it was written by a human. Only just as an example, if God's morals were impossible to comprehend as a hole by any human vocabulary, feeling and anything concerning human, how could you possibly comprehend its depth, by any human word(Bible)?

[wisp]

No...he tried to be higher than God and that...just...didn't...work. God didn't drown any innocent children or animals. If there were innocent children they probably would've been brought on the ark with Noah, and all the animals were brought on the ark too. Now you're not thinking very logically and this is not an attack on your person. Obviously you need to reread the Bible because you're just not getting it.

I was going to say this:

I only remember reading that Noah took his family and two of every animal. Not every little kid in the entire world.

I definitely remember reading that Noah took his family only. And I'm sure that there were more innocent children than just those in Noah's family.

[Chikara Nadir]

*ponder* Maybe all those lost kids are proof that God is a strong believer in collateral damage. [/sarcasm]

*shrug* Even as a believer in him, I still think that the flood was more a myth than a reality based on a much smaller but still very devastating flood in one of the seas to the southeast of main Europe. But that's for a different debate. XP

[Wolf O'Donnell]

You're forgetting double fufillment...Isaiah could be illustrating the manners of the King of Babylon by relating him with the story of Satan...this goes for Ezekiel and the King of Tyre, even though that makes clear references to the Garden of Eden and the anointed Cherub.

That's a weasel argument and you know it very well

I've read the bit before it...I know that it's a reference to the King of Babylon. But that still doesn't make "Once, I was stoned" apt at all, since you clearly understand what he's talking about.

Read this:Click

That's a weasel argument and you know it. It still doesn't change the fact that the Bible says that bats are birds and that hares do not have split hooves. It still doesn't change the fact that it calls the moon, a light, when it's not a light, Noah's Ark is way too small to fit every animal on Earth in pairs and sevens.

In Genesis 8:20-21 kills the "clean beasts", which according to Genesis 7:8 would result in the extinction of all the clean beasts, since only two of each were taken into the Ark.

Job 9:7 speaks of the solar system as a geocentric model, when we clearly know that it is heliocentric. Job 39:13-17 lies about the parenting skills of ostriches. Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the Earth as a circle, not a sphere. This Biblical "fact" is emphasised by the description of Heaven as a tent over the Earth. The Heavens cannot form a tent shape, unless the Earth is a flat disc.

etc. etc.

It takes a lot of excuse making to say that the Bible is infallible.

[Korhend]

God always does what is right. For a person who cannot accept Christ--since a child cannot comprehend such an idea as God or understand the sacrifice of Jesus then the child automatically goes to heavne when it dies. Do you think handicapped people go to hell if they die? They can't possibly understand or comprehend God or Jesus.

Following that logic, If we kill all children, no one would go to hell. Would you be willing to follow up your own reasoning?

[TheAvengerLever]

That's a weasel argument and you know it very well

I've read the bit before it...I know that it's a reference to the King of Babylon. But that still doesn't make "Once, I was stoned" apt at all, since you clearly understand what he's talking about.
That's a weasel argument and you know it. It still doesn't change the fact that the Bible says that bats are birds and that hares do not have split hooves. It still doesn't change the fact that it calls the moon, a light, when it's not a light, Noah's Ark is way too small to fit every animal on Earth in pairs and sevens.

In Genesis 8:20-21 kills the "clean beasts", which according to Genesis 7:8 would result in the extinction of all the clean beasts, since only two of each were taken into the Ark.

Job 9:7 speaks of the solar system as a geocentric model, when we clearly know that it is heliocentric. Job 39:13-17 lies about the parenting skills of ostriches. Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the Earth as a circle, not a sphere. This Biblical "fact" is emphasised by the description of Heaven as a tent over the Earth. The Heavens cannot form a tent shape, unless the Earth is a flat disc.

etc. etc.

It takes a lot of excuse making to say that the Bible is infallible.

You're still not thinking very clearly. To those who were living way back when things could have a different meaning or could be called by different names.

Here you go.

That's a weasel argument and you know it very well

Hmm...should I take offense?

Following that logic, If we kill all children, no one would go to hell. Would you be willing to follow up your own reasoning?

Murder is bad...just so you know.

[SOAP]

God has had people kill his name for no reason other than they simply don't believe in him... just so you know.

[TheAvengerLever]

You don't get it either o.o

[MikePetersSucks]

God always does what is right. For a person who cannot accept Christ--since a child cannot comprehend such an idea as God or understand the sacrifice of Jesus then the child automatically goes to heavne when it dies. Do you think handicapped people go to hell if they die? They can't possibly understand or comprehend God or Jesus.

Kids are fully capable of accepting Christ. The fact that you're comparing children to mentally handicapped people is repugnant and disgusting.

You aren't looking at it logically. How can God not be perfect? He can't.

There's plenty of gods in mythology that are imperfect. The only criteria to be a God is to be the creator of, or atleast co-creator, of the Universe.

God has had people kill his name for no reason other than they simply don't believe in him... just so you know.

You don't get it either o.o

I love how you say that whenever you can't answer something. It's not about people not "Getting" it. We get it. We just get it well enough to see total flaws in people's logic. God HAS killed people for the sake that they were "lyke rebellious, yo."

Need I remind you how when the Egyptians were enslaving the Jews, God killed the innocent first born children who had absolutely nothing to do with the affair, just to get at the parents? Yea, that's fair.

Need I remind you how God flooded the world, including all the innocent children and animals and stuff, because there were some half angels/really bad people around? (take your pick of reason)

Need I remind you how God destroyed quite a few towns for being gay, even when he said he wouldn't as long as Lot was there, then forced Lot out of town so he could weasel out of his promise and smite sum bitches down?

Need I remind you how God has inspired more wars, evil, sin, cruelty, racism, sexism, discrimination, and hatred than anything else in human history? (You don't see anyone doing that stuff in "The Name of Satan.")

Need I remind you how God destroyed the Tower of Babylon and cursed humanity to speak different languages and have different cultures, leading to all the world's conflicts, wars, battles, etc. over the course of Human History for something God knew they weren't gonna pull off anyway?

Need I remind you how God kicked out Adam and Eve and doomed humanity to a history of sin, evil, hatred, and suffering for something he could've avoided as easily as making the apple not so damn delicious, and it was something he knew 100% would happen?

Need I remind you how God allows Lucifer to rebel and cause all the bullshit in the Cosmos, even though Angels aren't supposed to have free will, thus implying God orchestrated the whole thing?

Need I remind you how Jesus was able to save Mankind only through severe amounts of sado-masochism?

Need I remind you how Jesus killed a tree for not bearing fruit, even though it wasn't a fruit-bearing tree?

Need I remind you how God damns people in hell with his love infinitely for finite crimes, including people who's only sin was not being a part of a really hateful, oppressive religion that's only existed for 2000 years, dooming billions of people who died before the Advent of Christ who never even got the chance?

Need I remind you how God told Abraham to kill Isaac as a sacrifice, then told him to stop at the last minute for shits and giggles?

Need I remind you how God says things like "I come not with peace but a sword" and "Cutting your hair is punishable by death?"

I can go on forever, but this is sufficient. Your God is a total asshole who's more evil than the so called "Enemy" of mankind. All Satan does is coax people. God actually does it.

[spunky-monkey]

Need I remind you how when the Egyptians were enslaving the Jews, God killed the innocent first born children who had absolutely nothing to do with the affair, just to get at the parents? Yea, that's fair.

I was told the last plague (the worse of all) was one where the pharaoh himself was directly responsible for because he planned to kill the Jews firstborns so naturally this curse rebounded on the Egyptians themselves.

Need I remind you how God destroyed quite a few towns for being gay, even when he said he wouldn't as long as Lot was there, then forced Lot out of town so he could weasel out of his promise and smite sum bitches down?

God has also promised to restore Sodom in his own time. *I can't find quote just yet*

Need I remind you how God has inspired more wars, evil, sin, cruelty, racism, sexism, discrimination, and hatred than anything else in human history? (You don't see anyone doing that stuff in "The Name of Satan.")

Satan, the serpent, is the one who caused all this to happen MPS. Man enjoys doing wicked things and God doesn't delight in the death of the wicked.

Need I remind you how God kicked out Adam and Eve and doomed humanity to a history of sin, evil, hatred, and suffering for something he could've avoided as easily as making the apple not so damn delicious, and it was something he knew 100% would happen?

In paradise God gave us one command, not ten or two golden rules, just ONE and we couldn't even follow that one. We're to blame for deliberately cutting ourselves off from our God and being ashamed. God cannot have communion with those that sin.

Need I remind you how God damns people in hell with his love infinitely for finite crimes, including people who's only sin was not being a part of a really hateful, oppressive religion that's only existed for 2000 years, dooming billions of people who died before the Advent of Christ who never even got the chance?

The Lake of fire is age-lasting, not eternal. Even God can't stay angry with bad people forever as its not in his merciful nature. When the ages finally come to an end we'll know the truth.

Need I remind you how God told Abraham to kill Isaac as a sacrifice, then told him to stop at the last minute for shits and giggles?

We're supposed to put God first above all else. If the Angels were commanded to kill every human they would do so, doesn't mean they'll enjoy doing it, but faithfulness and serving God is paramount.

I can go on forever, but this is sufficient. Your God is a total asshole who's more evil than the so called "Enemy" of mankind. All Satan does is coax people. God actually does it.

Our lack of faith doesn't change the fact that God currently loves us as much as Jesus Christ, his eternal son. It is Satan who seeks to deceive nations and peoples, have you forgotten that the devil hates us?

Edited by Ricky, 20 December 2006 - 05:57 AM.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

You're still not thinking very clearly. To those who were living way back when things could have a different meaning or could be called by different names.

Chewing the cud means chewing the cud, not eating dung. There's nothing to support that it could have meant something else, so by Occam's Razor, we must conclude that it never meant something else.

Hmm...should I take offense?

No, but it is a disingenious argument.

You state that Isaiah 14:12-15 must be a double prophecy. Why? Because you believe that Satan tried to usurp God and was punished by being thrown down from Heaven; he fell. Why do you believe that? Because Isaiah 14:12-15 can be construed to mean that. It's circular logic.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Bible to suggest that Satan was thrown out of Heaven because he tried to usurp God's dominance yet people still believe this claptrap.

Need I remind you how God destroyed quite a few towns for being gay, even when he said he wouldn't as long as Lot was there, then forced Lot out of town so he could weasel out of his promise and smite sum bitches down?

May I point out the passage in Ezekiel, which states clearly what the sins of Sodom were?

Now this was the sin of Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Notice how being gay wasn't listed?

[Steel Samurai]

I can go on forever, but this is sufficient. Your God is a total asshole who's more evil than the so called "Enemy" of mankind. All Satan does is coax people. God actually does it.

I could answer each and every one of your "reminders". If you really want me to, I will. But first, I got one question for you. You don't believe in God. That much is obvious. What makes God evil if there's no god to define good and evil?

[Goose]

I was talking to my gal the other day while we were skipping class, and she was like, well, asking me all these questions cuz she like new that i loved jesus and stuff.

she asked me bout what Jesus said was important to do and stuff

And so i sez to her, i sez.

One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).

And so she asks me, she' asks me

"Like, i got this friend, right, and she like calls herself christian right, but she's like a total bitch to everyone who dont get her places. I saw her be a real cow to that boy in class the other day, just because he's not a total babe like ryan smith, who is, by the way, really really hot, and she's really two faced. is she really christian?"

and so i sez to her

In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.' "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?" The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise." (NIV, Luke 10:25-37 )

so i sez, to her i sez,

"As Jesus lovers, we are like, told to like, go out and love people, even though they may not love us, even though they may be complete slags to us and stuff, thats whats important. She wasn't acting the way christians should, We aint supposed to go and shove it in peoples faces or kill them like God told people to like totally do thousands of years ago"

and then she like asks me, "How can like, your god, send people to hell, when they like, didn't even get a chance to choose?"

and so i sez to her

"I dont like have an easy answer to that one, but like God like, so totally gives us a choice when we enter at like the pearly gates. Even though we like totally stuff things up all the time, he forgives us if we accept him as our saviour and stuff. He'll like, give us a chance when we die, thats what Limbos for, and not like the dance, but like, the big line you have to go in to see the big guy upstairs, kinda like a nightclub line, with St peter as the bouncer. If you already joined the club, he lets you skip the queue"

and so she's like

"Does god really love us, like even though i called tracy a slag the other day, beause she like is, and stuff like that.?"

and i, i sez

"Yeah, he like sent his son down to earth to die for all the like shitty things we do, he loves us that much. "

and shes like

"Cool"

Edited by Goose, 20 December 2006 - 07:37 AM.

[Nevermind]

Need I remind you how when the Egyptians were enslaving the Jews, God killed the innocent first born children who had absolutely nothing to do with the affair, just to get at the parents? Yea, that's fair.

Need I remind you how God flooded the world, including all the innocent children and animals and stuff, because there were some half angels/really bad people around? (take your pick of reason)

Need I remind you how God destroyed quite a few towns for being gay, even when he said he wouldn't as long as Lot was there, then forced Lot out of town so he could weasel out of his promise and smite sum bitches down?

Need I remind you how God has inspired more wars, evil, sin, cruelty, racism, sexism, discrimination, and hatred than anything else in human history? (You don't see anyone doing that stuff in "The Name of Satan.")

Need I remind you how God destroyed the Tower of Babylon and cursed humanity to speak different languages and have different cultures, leading to all the world's conflicts, wars, battles, etc. over the course of Human History for something God knew they weren't gonna pull off anyway?

Need I remind you how God kicked out Adam and Eve and doomed humanity to a history of sin, evil, hatred, and suffering for something he could've avoided as easily as making the apple not so damn delicious, and it was something he knew 100% would happen?

Need I remind you how God allows Lucifer to rebel and cause all the bullshit in the Cosmos, even though Angels aren't supposed to have free will, thus implying God orchestrated the whole thing?

Need I remind you how Jesus was able to save Mankind only through severe amounts of sado-masochism?

Need I remind you how Jesus killed a tree for not bearing fruit, even though it wasn't a fruit-bearing tree?

Need I remind you how God damns people in hell with his love infinitely for finite crimes, including people who's only sin was not being a part of a really hateful, oppressive religion that's only existed for 2000 years, dooming billions of people who died before the Advent of Christ who never even got the chance?

Need I remind you how God told Abraham to kill Isaac as a sacrifice, then told him to stop at the last minute for shits and giggles?

Need I remind you how God says things like "I come not with peace but a sword" and "Cutting your hair is punishable by death?"

I can go on forever, but this is sufficient. Your God is a total asshole who's more evil than the so called "Enemy" of mankind. All Satan does is coax people. God actually does it.

Need I remind you that dude....you just manipulated the FUCK out of all of those examples o_o

Seriously. Dayum!

[TheAvengerLever]

Kids are fully capable of accepting Christ. The fact that you're comparing children to mentally handicapped people is repugnant and disgusting.

As disgusting as calling God an asshole?

I love how you say that whenever you can't answer something. It's not about people not "Getting" it. We get it. We just get it well enough to see total flaws in people's logic. God HAS killed people for the sake that they were "lyke rebellious, yo."

I love how you automatically assume that I can't answer something. Wait a minute, I just remembered that I don't love that. Besides, if you could understand the concept of God you could probably grasp it.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

Anyway, to get back on topic, all the above posts have merely proved that being Christian cannot be the free ticket to Heaven. There's so many variations of belief in the Bible and God that being Christian is far too vague to be of any use as a determining factor of whether you go to Heaven or not.

[TheAvengerLever]

Not if the Bible is your main source of belief. But the Bible did warn Christians not to be divided in Corinthians...and I think Christians should heed that warning.