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[LionHarted]

They don't need the help of the hero to awaken (and in fact, Rauru, Impa, Saria and Zelda didn't) because the evil doesn't stop them from hearing the awakening voice.

There's never a threat of evil, so the Sages won't ever need to awaken at all.

When evil rules all, an awakening voice from the Sacred Realm will call those destined to be Sages

And the Hero would be remembered if Link told Zelda the events of OoT.

Fanfiction.

Edited by LionHarted, 15 November 2006 - 10:24 AM.

[Arturo]

There's never a threat of evil, so the Sages won't ever need to awaken.

They are needed to keep the seal, as it was shown in ALttP, so they needed to awaken

Fanfiction.

No, it's just the most logical thing. If Link and Zelda meet at the end of OoT, what do you want them to do? To stand silent?

[LionHarted]

They are needed to keep the seal, as it was shown in ALttP, so they needed to awaken

Again, fanfiction.

No, it's just the most logical thing. If Link and Zelda meet at the end of OoT, what do you want them to do? To stand silent?

Fanfiction, still.

Edited by LionHarted, 15 November 2006 - 10:27 AM.

[Arturo]

ALttP:

To do this, one has to sacrifice the maiden descendants of the seven sages to break the seal.

The descendants have to be sacrificed to break the seal. Thus, they are necessary for the Seal, and the Seven Sages too. It's not fanfiction that teh descendants are needed to keep the seal, it's a fact. And they have to be descendants of someone.

And it's not fanfiction saying Link told Zelda everything. It's an assumption. A safe one. It's much unsafer to say they didn't speak at all.

[LionHarted]

The descendants have to be sacrificed to break the seal. Thus, they are necessary for the Seal, and the Seven Sages too. It's not fanfiction that teh descendants are needed to keep the seal, it's a fact. And they have to be descendants of someone.

How do you justify ALttP being on the child timeline, then, when there are no Sages in the child timeline involved with the seal (the ones in the Adult timeline cast it)?

And it's not fanfiction saying Link told Zelda everything. It's an assumption. A safe one. It's much unsafer to say they didn't speak at all.

Why would Link tell Zelda anything about his adventure if nothing needed to be said?

[SOAP]

If it takes place after the child ending, it still doesn't disprove the Split Timeline, only that TP may not be a prequel to TWW as presumed. It might not have anything to to with TWW at all. The only way it could destroy the Split Timeline is if it ended with the ToC shattering and Hyrule getting frozen in Time and flooded. Otherwise, you'll still having people defending their timeline. All this, however, makes me want to play it even more.

[Raien]

TSA's use of the term "Child Ending" could simply be referring to the fact that MM is integral to TP's storyline, which disproves the split timeline.

If you read MM's script, take a look at the plot behind the creation of Majora's Mask. Notice the connection between that, TP (from spoilers) and FSA? This could actually validate the "Midna = Majora" theories to an extent.

Edited by jhurvid, 15 November 2006 - 02:09 PM.

[Hero of Winds]

TSA's use of the term "Child Ending" could simply be referring to the fact that MM is integral to TP's storyline, which disproves the split timeline.

It's not TSA's using the term "child ending," it'll Bill Trinen (the head of NOA's localization department and a HUGE Zelda fan). Couple this with the fact that Miyamoto and Aonuma have already said that the game occurs between OoT and TWW.

TP isn't even released yet and it's already broken the split timeline theory.

[spunky-monkey]

If it takes place after the child ending, it still doesn't disprove the Split Timeline, only that TP may not be a prequel to TWW as presumed. It might not have anything to to with TWW at all. The only way it could destroy the Split Timeline is if it ended with the ToC shattering and Hyrule getting frozen in Time and flooded. Otherwise, you'll still having people defending their timeline. All this, however, makes me want to play it even more.

Exactly, I don't understand why everyone would even want a single timeline when there isn't one. TP can easily take place hundreds of years after the events of Majora's Mask, whereas TWW occurs several hundred years after OoT's adult ending. Even if this Link has a Triforce part it doesn't mean this completely destroys the 'Split Timeline' as we've already seen a spare ToC at the child ending of OoT.

EDIT: unless of course the storyline of TP somehow rejoins the alternate timelines once more (unlikely).

Edited by Ricky, 15 November 2006 - 04:58 PM.

[LionHarted]

It's not so much that TP is after the child ending, but the fact that it's after the child ending while clearly featuring events from the adult ending and clear throwbacks to OoT:

the seal, Sages, items wielded by the Hero of Time, etc.

Edited by LionHarted, 15 November 2006 - 06:44 PM.

[Hero of Winds]

What was given probably wasn't even true or at least misinterpreted. From what was said (I didn't read it exactly and don't want to) of this so called spoiler, there was still more that hadn't been revealed or spoiled. So there's still more that we don't know about--which is the way it's supposed to be for an unreleased game. So this is not final at all, and if that's all that spoiler reveals then you can't draw such a conclusion about the split timeline. Lets all wait and straighten this out for ourselves. So, I'll see for myself without any biased opinion. I really don't care if this game ruins whatever theory, as long as it helps to understand the flow of the chronology.

Whose talking about spoilers? Bill Trinen said the game occurs after OoT's child ending, and Aonuma (maybe it was Miyamoto, but I doubt it) said the game takes place between OoT and TWW. No spoilers there, just comments from two of the most knowledgeable guys regarding TP.

[Hero of Winds]

That's what I was getting at

No, it wasn't. You're saying that I'm making my conclusion based on spoilers, when all I've done is cited comments from Trinen and Aonuma.

(do I talk another language to you?).

You may as well be, since that sentence wasn't English.

If that was the cusp of what that guy had to spoil...then it wasn't much of one.

"Do I talk to another language to you?"

Seriously, you absolutely fail at reading comprehension. I wasn't talking about spoilers at all, I was citing TP's placement in the timeline according to Bill Trinen and Eiji Aonuma.

[Raien]

Exactly, I don't understand why everyone would even want a single timeline when there isn't one.

That's a rather arrogant statement. If you avoid the inconsistencies of OoT's ending by creating a split timeline, you end up creating inconsistencies further down the timeline, which only TWW is able to negate.

EDIT: unless of course the storyline of TP somehow rejoins the alternate timelines once more (unlikely).

If you read LionHarted's spoilers, more than likely.

[Alardonin]

Hmm after reading some of the responces.... Let me turn the table. With all of these child timeline storys. Let me just tell you that TP could just as easily reinforce the Split Timeline theory and there are many reasons for that as well.

[LionHarted]

Ergo, ALttP cannot be in the child timeline; the seven sages are not awakened by Link in the child timeline. Well, if you count Impa, Rauru and Saria as awakened, well, maybe, but that still doesn't account for Ruto, Darunia and Nabooru.

Nabooru, specifically, since she is brainwashed by Twinrova, and only spared this brainwashing in an adult timeline.

Edited by LionHarted, 17 November 2006 - 12:40 PM.

[spunky-monkey]

That's a rather arrogant statement. If you avoid the inconsistencies of OoT's ending by creating a split timeline, you end up creating inconsistencies further down the timeline, which only TWW is able to negate.

Well, being a Zelda-fan and having played said games for well over a decade has taught me fundamentals that Ocarina of Time was an absolutely incredible adventure of epic proportions whereas Wind Waker is an ugly little thing that alienated veteran gamers, has so much wasted potential, and of course is full of plotholes. [sarcasm]At least those Triforce charts were so addictively entertaining.[/sarcasm]

If I claim the sky to be blue am I being arrogant?

[LionHarted]

Am I the only one who sees TWW as an improvement in the flow of storyline between OoT and ALttP?

Anyway, almost all of my predictions regarding TP and the timeline have been proven true. Now we just have to prove that TP takes place in the Child timeline using evidence that we've observed ourselves, and everything will be as it should be. lol

[SOAP]

I don't see it as an improvement but certianly not the worst game. My only beef is that it had [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of potential that it didn't live up to. The first half of the game was awesome, but as soon as you get to Hyrule it just goes downhill from there. It's as if they took their time polsihing the first half but had to meet a daedline so they half-assed the rest of it. The game would've been slightly better if at least GreatFish or Outset had a dungeon. Jabun just gives the pearl to you, what the hell?

TWW is important to the series because it killed Single Link theories forever, and it was the first time a game actually tried to make a connection previous game other than the typical sidequest. While it's hard to connect to rest of the series the connection to OoT is pretty obvious.

[Hero of Legend]

Well, being a Zelda-fan and having played said games for well over a decade has taught me fundamentals that Ocarina of Time was an absolutely incredible adventure of epic proportions whereas Wind Waker is an ugly little thing that alienated veteran gamers

If you think that you are not a Zelda fan. A fanboy, perhaps, but not a fan.

has so much wasted potential

Like what? More dungeons?

and of course is full of plotholes.

That's just plain false.

If I claim the sky to be blue am I being arrogant?

Exactly, I don't understand why everyone would even want a single timeline when there isn't one.

You are blind, little man. You cannot see the sky.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 17 November 2006 - 05:38 PM.

[spunky-monkey]

Now that's just ridiculous.

Your constructive feedback on the other hand...

If you think that you are not a Zelda fan. A fanboy, perhaps, but not a fan.

Sticks and stones. OoT will always be greater than TWW anyday.

That's just plain false.

To name but a few; Ganondorf escaped from the Sacred Realm…TWICE. It was even implied that another evil force somehow revived him but never properly explained. The Master Sword was pathetically weak and it never depended upon the Gods to work before. The King of Hyrule stupidly said 'the Hero of Time left for another land' (Termina) when in actual fact he returned to the past instead.

You are blind, little man. You cannot see the sky.

That was a rhetorical question kid. You weren't supposed to answer it.

[Arturo]

In TWW he didn't escape twice. He escaped once from the SR and another time from the Flooded Hyrule.
And tell me crazy, but I loved TWW. It was a great improvement for OoT (in some aspects), IMO. And I loved the story.

[Alardonin]

It could, but evidence so far suggests that it will not.

-DarthCucco

Evidence suggesting? No, evidence gives us facts and if they are not giving us exactly that, then... I will wait to play the game and then possibly como to the conclusion that the "evidence" was entirely wrong and if it isn't? Why should i care. But, personally my vision in the legends remains more beatifull with opened possibilities not with closed ones.

[Hero of Legend]

Sticks and stones. OoT will always be greater than TWW anyday.

Except it's not.

"Look, I can make ignorant statements too!"

To name but a few; Ganondorf escaped from the Sacred Realm…TWICE.

Not in TWW.

It was even implied that another evil force somehow revived him but never properly explained.

That he was "revived" does not mean there was another evil at work. He could have revived himself for all we know.

And that's not a plot hole anyway. A plot hole is a designer's oversight that causes the game to contradict itself. TWW has none of those, but your beloved OoT has plenty.

The Master Sword was pathetically weak

No it wasn't. It was never anything more than a normal sword without the Power to repel Evil.

and it never depended upon the Gods to work before.

Of course it did! They were the ones who told the Hylians to forge it in the first place! They are the ones who send a Hero with the power to wield it whenever evil strikes!

The King of Hyrule stupidly said 'the Hero of Time left for another land' (Termina) when in actual fact he returned to the past instead.

What the hell is that kind of shitty ignorant statement? Obviously, the fact that the King says so proves that he WASN'T talking about how he "returned to the past", you dolt.

That was a rhetorical question kid. You weren't supposed to answer it.

Dude, I wasn't answering your question. I said you have as much right to claim the sky is blue as a blind man, because you can't see the problem from any other perspective then your own fix idea. In other words, your opinion means shit.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 18 November 2006 - 08:06 AM.

[Neon Z]

Fanfiction, still.

Huh? MM states that the royal family knows about those events in its intro. I don't see how that's any fanfiction.

The Master Sword was pathetically weak

You must be kidding. It actually broke a giant magical barrier after getting its power and isn't outdone by some random blade made by a giant.

The King of Hyrule stupidly said 'the Hero of Time left for another land' (Termina) when in actual fact he returned to the past instead.

The Hylian text in the intro states that the Hero of Time disappeared in the flow of time or something close to that.