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[mmmmm_PIE]

But I will give one tidbit to timeline theorist out there - this game destroys the split timeline theory - so far as to say it pretty much renders it impossible.

(www.thehylia.com)

Twilight Princess Wins.
Flawless Vicotry.

Well, when I first read the annoucement, which suggests MM-TP connections, my heart asplode. But now that that little adventure is behind me, I thought it best to spread the word.
I guess we're losing a good 40% of timeline discussion in one fell swoop, though I'm sure SW argumnts will become more heated from now on. Personally, I can't wait.

See yall on the other side.

Edited by mmmmm_PIE, 13 November 2006 - 11:27 AM.

[SOAP]

The link doesn't work but that didn't stop me. Man, so many spoilers in one day. It was bound to happen.

That said, I don't think this is the death of the Split Timeline Theory. Rather, it could be what I've been suspecting for some time, that it takes place in the child timeline not the adult timeline.

Also, it seems I was right about the mirrors according to some other spoilers If that's the case, then Midna and the Twilight King are part of the Tribe of Darkness and the Twilight Mirror is obviously something that either once imprsioned them or will imprison them. Which maens, it could either take place after or lead into FSA, as opposed to being related to TWW.

[Darunia]

*yawn*

Does I told you so fit well here? Good thing I've held onto my Single-Timeline lineage for the duration. It looks like those of us that held out are about to be vindicated. We'll know in a few weeks. Once I get my Wii and TP, I'll be all over that.

Darunia - Sage of Legend

[SOAP]

We shouldn't jump the gun just yet. At least not on something so major.

Though, it would be funny if it did prove split timelines obsolete. Kinda like how TWW shut the lid on Single Link theories once and for all.

[Fyxe]

Great, as someone who hates spoilers, now I have to sit around wondering what the hell people are babbling about. I have to wait until Christmas before I can even begin to find out.

Edited by Fyxe, 13 November 2006 - 08:12 AM.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I don't believe anything that TSA puts up, with the exception of what he gets from other sites. He's 100% done with the game? He could still give his own detailed impressions without spoiling anything that was already put out--but he gives nothing. He probably won't give anything until other sites put something up, or when we all get the chance to play the game. No theory has been destroyed. Play for yourselves, that's the best way to do it--the old fashioned way--the only way.

[Arturo]

Until he tells us why it destroys the Split Timeline, I will not believe him.

[Sentient]

Well, now that the split timeline theory seems to have been obliterated by TP (how it did that is unknown, but who cares? As long as TP does obliterate it I'm happy), I think I'll return to discussion here. If there's no split timeline theory, I think I could get on better here with people, since when I joined, I was immediately attacked by Jumbie (split timeline theorist) for daring to go against the split timeline.

[SOAP]

What the hell people? Are we still at each other's throat about the split/single timeline arguement? When I left, people were pretty much neutral and a couple of people sported both types of timelines in their sigs. Now I come back and it's back to fighting again. If TP destroys the split timeline, fine. I still have my single timeline. If it doesn't, twice the more fun for me. What the hell people?

Edited by SOAP, 13 November 2006 - 12:15 PM.

[Sentient]

Oh no, no one's at each others throats (as far as I know) I was just saying that when I first joined here, Jumbie immediately attacked me for daring to oppose the split timeline and I was hoping that I could get on better with people here now that TP has (supposedly) destroyed the split timeline.

[SOAP]

Maybe not at each other's throats but there does seem to be some sort of grudge taht wasn't there before and I dont really understand Darunia's attitude at all.

Edited by SOAP, 13 November 2006 - 12:32 PM.

[Alardonin]

Ok people, i'm trying to avoid that! So i will only ask one question. This thing about destroying the Split Timeline, is it because TP might continue from the Past Timeline? Because if that is the case then lets just say i can think of [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of explanations. Also this is really a question i want to ask. Is there really any solid proof (outside of our continued assumptions) that TP will tell us the story of the Great flood? If there is something that can tell me that, can you point it out? It seems that a great cataclysm might indeed happen in TP, but, is there really any solid proof that it will be the Great Flood? Also, if this does not have any connection at all with what is written there, then don't tell me anything .

[LionHarted]

If TP so certainly and completely destroys the Split Timeline, it most likely references both the events of Adult OoT and the events of MM within the context of the main story.

Edited by LionHarted, 13 November 2006 - 01:57 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Certainly I'm a bit concerned, but I'm gonna wait until the game is actually out and/or not in TSA's hands.

[Hero of Winds]

I don't believe anything that TSA puts up, with the exception of what he gets from other sites. He's 100% done with the game?

No, he only finished the main game. Good job reading.

He could still give his own detailed impressions without spoiling anything that was already put out--but he gives nothing.

Uh... no he can't? He's contracted by NDAs not to reveal anything past the Goron Mines.

He probably won't give anything until other sites put something up, or when we all get the chance to play the game.

Because that's when the embargo will be up, and he'll be free to reveal unknown bits about the game. GOOD JOB.

Until he tells us why it destroys the Split Timeline, I will not believe him.

He can't say why because it involves revealing story elements that obviously follow the Goron Mines, which he's contracturally obligated NOT to talk about.

[LionHarted]

He's spoken to other webmasters about it in his chatroom, and they all agree with his conclusion. [James from ZU comes to mind.]

[Chaltab]

A Zelda game that could destroy the Split-Timeline theory?

I'm not sure people are letting it sink in enough--for someone to even SAY this, even if reports of its death turn out to be exaggerated... This would have to mean that this thing touches on plot and the connections with previous games even more than Wind Waker did.

And I'm not going to make my final judgement until I hear it myself, but I've no reason to be skeptical. Ninendo finally destroyed the few remaning Single-Linkers with TWW. Dropping a Plot Bomb is not past them.

[Darunia]

Maybe not at each other's throats but there does seem to be some sort of grudge taht wasn't there before and I dont really understand Darunia's attitude at all.

Heh. I've been away a while. Probably too long. I have always been an avid Single timeliner, so for someone to come tell me that all of my ideas were BS first thing is somewhat unnerving. You'll just have to pardon my lack of enthusiasm when someone just tells me that my theories on the timeline are crap. I don't tell anyone any such of a thing. I am completely aware that there may be a split in the timeline; I just choose not to believe that. For someone to get all uptight about it, and tell me that my ideas are bunk, is just a little affronting, and I'll respond in kind.

So please, so long as you weren't the object of my frustration, take no offense. If I mistakenly directed some hostility towards you, please disregard it, as it was unintended.

Darunia - Sage of Legend

[Tri-Enforcer]

He can't say why because it involves revealing story elements that obviously follow the Goron Mines, which he's contracturally obligated NOT to talk about.

Ok, that's cool. Seeing is still believing, so excuse the skepticism.

(Alardonin) Ok people, i'm trying to avoid that! So i will only ask one question. This thing about destroying the Split Timeline, is it because TP might continue from the Past Timeline? Because if that is the case then lets just say i can think of [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of explanations.

Exactly, if that spoiler was referencing anything like that then, you couldn't draw a conclusion about existence of a split timeline. I'm not saying that's what it is. We'll just have to see for ourselves without any biased.

Edited by Tri-Enforcer, 14 November 2006 - 06:25 AM.

[spunky-monkey]

This doesn't make any sense. Why would Nintendo do a U-turn on their Split-Timeline ending in OoT? They pretty much confirmed years ago that it did in fact have two endings anyway.

[LionHarted]

This doesn't make any sense. Why would Nintendo do a U-turn on their Split-Timeline ending in OoT? They pretty much confirmed years ago that it did in fact have two endings anyway.

In order to explain that TWW didn't feature the same Link as MM, yes. Which, if you recall, was the primary accomplishment of TWW--it abolished all single-Link theories forever. "Two endings" in no way automatically suggests two "alternate endings", which means it in no way suggests a split timeline. That was ya'll that interpreted it that way.

=S

Edited by LionHarted, 14 November 2006 - 08:35 AM.

[Chaltab]

In order to explain that TWW didn't feature the same Link as MM, yes. Which, if you recall, was the primary accomplishment of TWW--it abolished all single-Link theories forever. "Two endings" in no way automatically suggests two "alternate endings", which means it in no way suggests a split timeline. That was ya'll that interpreted it that way.

Um... huh? I'm a single-timeliner and that made no sense to me at all. Yes, Ocarina clearly has two endings and Nintendo implied the possibility of a split timeline. But they never confirmed that their was one, just suggested it.

[LionHarted]

OoT has two endings.

MM comes after the "child ending" (but not after the adult ending); TWW comes after the "adult ending" (interpreted by split timeline theorists to exist on a separate continuity from the child ending).

"Two endings" in a Single timeline:
OoT (past) - Child Ending - MM - OoT (Future) - Adult Ending

In a Split timeline:
OoT (past) - Child Ending - MM
OR
OoT (past) - OoT (future) - Adult Ending - TWW

Edited by LionHarted, 14 November 2006 - 04:47 PM.

[Hero of Winds]

This doesn't make any sense. Why would Nintendo do a U-turn on their Split-Timeline ending in OoT? They pretty much confirmed years ago that it did in fact have two endings anyway.

Two endings =/= two timelines

Besides, TWW already disproved the split-timeline theory by referencing both OoT and MM. I don't see where there's room for debate.

[Arturo]

There are ways to disprove it. THe Legend of Fairy is hardly a proof, since Termina had nothing to do with the timeline split, so one person from Termina could end in either the Adult or Child Hyrule. Jumbie and I spoke about that in the article.

[Hero of Winds]

There are ways to disprove it. THe Legend of Fairy is hardly a proof, since Termina had nothing to do with the timeline split, so one person from Termina could end in either the Adult or Child Hyrule. Jumbie and I spoke about that in the article.

But that's obviously not Miyamoto and Aonuma's intention in including the Legend of the Fairy. It was meant to be an allusion to the events of MM. The idea that people are trying to refute that with theories like Termina being immune to the timeline split, or the legend referring to Navi but was rewritten by Tingle, etc. is just ridiculous and completely counterproductive to actually creating a timeline.

It's those kinds of situations that forced me out of the Storyline forum - because a lot of you guys don't want to solve anything, you just want to argue.

[LionHarted]

***SPOILERS***











TSA reveals *part* of the equation to why TP "destroys" a split timeline.

TP takes place after the OoT Child events (approx. a century, like Trinen said). I have not heard anything one way or the other about whether or not it takes place after the Adult events. Since the Sages are featured, I would assume so, but I know many of you will just write this off as proof of a timeline transcending seal.

Edited by LionHarted, 15 November 2006 - 09:20 AM.

[Arturo]

But that's obviously not Miyamoto and Aonuma's intention in including the Legend of the Fairy. It was meant to be an allusion to the events of MM. The idea that people are trying to refute that with theories like Termina being immune to the timeline split, or the legend referring to Navi but was rewritten by Tingle, etc. is just ridiculous and completely counterproductive to actually creating a timeline.

It's those kinds of situations that forced me out of the Storyline forum - because a lot of you guys don't want to solve anything, you just want to argue.

The thing is that we CANNOT use the Legend of Fairy is a determinant factor, since it was more like a bonus. The Split Timeline has been implied by Aonuma and it is the only way to reconcile OoT as the Seal War and OoT as TWW's prequel. And there is no reason why the split happens in Termina, because it is a universe independent to Hyrule, and its timeline was repaired at the end of the game.

***SPOILERS***
TSA reveals *part* of the equation to why TP "destroys" a split timeline.

TP takes place after the OoT Child events (approx. a century, like Trinen said). I have not heard anything one way or the other about whether or not it takes place after the Adult events. Since the Sages are featured, I would assume so, but I know many of you will just write this off as proof of a timeline transcending seal.

If that is the major thing I see it as hardly a proof. Remember in ALttP, (suppossedly in the Child Timeline) we see the descendants of teh Seven Sages. They should have come from someone.

[LionHarted]

If that is the major thing I see it as hardly a proof. Remember in ALttP, (suppossedly in the Child Timeline) we see the descendants of teh Seven Sages. They should have come from someone.

Where would they have come from? Ganon was sealed by the Sages in the Adult Timeline, not the Child Timeline. Even if it's a timeline-transcending seal, there are no Sages in the Child Timeline to do the sealing, and there should be no Hero remembered with respect to the sealing. Now, the definitive proof would be if this game takes place after the Child ending, and the Master Sword is referenced as being used before.

Edited by LionHarted, 15 November 2006 - 10:18 AM.

[Arturo]

The definitive proof would be showing the Hero of Time and the Flood.

And they were awakened by the goddesses, as Sheik says. They don't need the help of the hero to awaken (and in fact, Rauru, Impa, Saria and Zelda didn't) because the evil doesn't stop them from hearing the awakening voice. And the Hero would be remembered if Link told Zelda the events of OoT.