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#61 SOAP

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 06:26 PM

Yeah unfortunately I have none of my precious Zelda games with me. There has been a recent crime spree on campus and I left all my prized posessesions back with my 'rents. I would've left my bike and my computer with them too but yea I need those for college. You could ask someone else. I believe it's on the back of the box... you know, the where the "reliable" info is. ;)

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 06:30 PM

It does indeed mention Vaati was sealed for an unspecified amount of years. I guess we'll have to find out what the Japanese box says on the matter. If it's not on the Japanese box then it doesn't count.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 06:55 PM

It's probably something as equally cryptic. You know, not [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of thought goes into the back of those things. Just a basic jist of the story to get you interested and whatever new features are in the game and whatnot. Which is why I take the back of the ALttP box with a grain of salt. Especially seeing as ALttP has very little to do with LoZ and AoL's BS.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:04 PM

Ok heres a delema. OoT is first then MM. You say that lttp/la is generations after OoT, but the NES Links are the same link as OoT, as said in the ssbm trophy. so this is what it looks like:

|OoT-MM|(generations later comes)ALttP-LA|(generations later comes) Nes games (but is the same link as OoT|

????o.0 ???? Any one else confused?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:18 PM

SSBM Trophy=Not canon. Though I personally have no beef with making OoT and LoZ Link the same guy.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:27 PM

It's probably something as equally cryptic. You know, not [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of thought goes into the back of those things. Just a basic jist of the story to get you interested and whatever new features are in the game and whatnot. Which is why I take the back of the ALttP box with a grain of salt. Especially seeing as ALttP has very little to do with LoZ and AoL's BS.


Imagine we're in 1992. Youd've just expected the third Zelda game to happen shortly after the second one right? Just like the second took place shortly after the first. That's how series usually work. So when the box says that the game is infact set generations before the previous two I'd say that's a pretty big deal, especially as the intro to the game gives the origin of the main villain, Ganon, in a way that couldn't logically incorporate the previous games.

Now imagine we're in 1998. The fifth Zelda game has just been released and it shows the origin of Ganon in the way the third game's intro had described. By all means OoT was the "origin" story for the series and a lead in to LttP.

The NES games took place long after LttP in 1992, it was further cemented in 1998 and now we're in 2008 and still nothing has contradicted it. It doesn't matter how many Wind Wakers you throw into the mix, the NES games remain where they have always been chronologically until we are told otherwise.

Ok heres a delema. OoT is first then MM. You say that lttp/la is generations after OoT, but the NES Links are the same link as OoT, as said in the ssbm trophy. so this is what it looks like:

|OoT-MM|(generations later comes)ALttP-LA|(generations later comes) Nes games (but is the same link as OoT|

????o.0 ???? Any one else confused?


The N64 Link is not the NES Link. The trophies were only differentiating "Child Link" and "Adult Link".

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:35 PM

Aha! I got it. This realy depends on Z'05 and it's plot, but in another thread I read that "It would be interesting if the Z'05 link was OoT link, and he had a seal on him for a long time, quite like ganon does." Now if this is true, than this works:

OoT-MM
ALttP-LA
WW-Z'05-LoZ-AoL-OoX
MC
FS-FSA

Now even that isn't perfect, it probably has something wrong with it, but it still can't be my time line since that -specific- game isn't out yet :(. If Z'05 is about that, this is so my timeline*locks up timeline in vault* :)

But for now I'll leave it as this, until we get quotes on LttP's box...

OoT-MM-LoZ-AoL-Oox
ALttP-LA
WW-Z'05
MC
FS-FSA

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:50 PM

Aha! I got it. This realy depends on Z'05 and it's plot, but in another thread I read that "It would be interesting if the Z'05 link was OoT link, and he had a seal on him for a long time, quite like ganon does." Now if this is true, than this works:

OoT-MM
ALttP-LA
WW-Z'05-LoZ-AoL-OoX
MC
FS-FSA

Now even that isn't perfect, it probably has something wrong with it, but it still can't be my time line since that -specific- game isn't out yet :(. If Z'05 is about that, this is so my timeline*locks up timeline in vault* :)


286: Young Link [The Legend of Zelda]
[07/87]
"Link's younger incarnation is often considered to
be the true Link: he was a young boy in the very
first Legend of Zelda game, and he has appeared
as a youth in most of the subsequent
games. Since his debut on the original NES in 1987,
Link's appearance has changed over and over
again, each time adding to the mystique of his
incomparable story."


The description isn't saying that NES Link is OoT Link, it's saying that Link has been YOUNG Link in almost all of the games, including the original. Not that it matters too much anyway, as SSBM also says that the Master Sword made its debut in Ocarina of Time.

There are still other major flaws to that theory though, such as the state of the Triforce inbetween Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, the fact that Zelda introduces herself to Link in the Oracles and that there's a Palace of the Four Sword in LttP GBA.

But for now I'll leave it as this, until we get quotes on LttP's box...


I think it was Beno or Zethar-II who semi-recently re-confirmed that it is indeed mentioned on the Japanese box. They're both very reliable.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:58 PM

Oh I forgot to tell you thanks for reminding me, I didn't count the palace of the four sword in ALttP 'cause it's a throw-in.

OK crazy penguin, you win. This is it, here we go *dramatic music plays*:

OoT-MM
ALttP-LA
WW-Z'05
LoZ-AoL
OoX-MC
FS-FSA

Now if this doesn't work, I'm screwed, cause of the stupid placement of the triforce at the end of OoT, I still have to look into the whole triforce thing. Oh, and if this is someone else's timeline, i'll think of a new one, because I hate stealing other peoples ideas.
EDIT:crap, now I have 6 links. So much for being individual :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:05 PM

That's not a new timeline! That's a Crazy Penguin timeline! Boo!

*glares angrily at CP*

Only joking guys... :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:07 PM

Is it realy? Curses! He has succeded in persuading me into the believing of his own timeline! Or do you say that because he basicaly told me where everything goes?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:18 PM

Basically.... That and I had no problem with OoT Link being the LoZ Link.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:26 PM

Nah, that's not exactly the theory I go by, I wouldn't ignore Palace of the Four Sword for one thing.

There is one remaining problem though, and that's the Triforce's state between Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.

At the end of Ocarina of Time Ganon had Power, Zelda had Wisdom and Link had Courage.

In WW we're told that Courage left the Hero of Time and split into eight pieces when he embarked on another adventure.

As we actually see in-game in WW Ganon still possesses Power from OoT, the royal family had still been keeping Wisdom and Courage was still split into eight pieces.

This shows that nothing much happened to the Triforce inbetween OoT and WW, so any of the other games don't really fit inbetween. Most of Ganon dialogue also implies that nobody had messed with him since OoT and most of the legend stuff implies that there had been no great hero since the Hero of Time.

Oh, and if this is someone else's timeline, i'll think of a new one, because I hate stealing other peoples ideas.
EDIT:crap, now I have 6 links. So much for being individual


It's not about being unique, it's about analyzing and discussing the facts of the storylines and drawing logical conclusions.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:31 PM

You can be logical and analyze the facts AND not follow the crowd, Crazy Penquin.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:38 PM

You can be logical and analyze the facts AND not follow the crowd, Crazy Penquin.


But trying to be different for the sake of being different does not help things, it's an interfering agenda.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:38 PM

to mario jr-yeah! thats what i'm talkin' about!

What about this? i put LoZ and AoL after ALttP, like so:
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OoT-MM
ALttP-LA
LoZ-AoL
WW-Z'05
OoX-MC
FS-FSA
******
This way ToC is in 8 shards, royal family has ToW and Ganon could still have power after being defeated. Still, my favorite is the one where OoT link is sealed, then unsealed in Z'05. So is the above stared one the best proposed theory of mine so far?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:46 PM

Best so far, however Link claims the full Triforce at the end of LttP.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:52 PM

I don't have an agenda. And I don't see how daring to be different is unhelpful. I think it's great that somebody every now and then brings something new and fresh to the table. But to have it molded right back the same old crap that's been said over and over... now that's unhelpful. If everyone's theories were the same it'd be [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] less confusing... but no where near as fun.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:17 PM

The back of the FSA box says - 'For years, the mighty Fougr Sword sealed away an evil force... until one day, a dark shadow tricked young Link into drawing the sword from it's resting place.'

If anything, that's further proof that there WASN'T generations between FS and FSA, and that they feature the same Link - by saying just 'years' it implies a fairly short amount of time.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:33 PM

Even so, even if we were to say it was three years at least, and we assume that in FS, LInk was the same age as TWW Link, that'd make Link 15. [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] happens to a child's body between 12 and 15, especially to boys. Link's aging would be very obvious. In fact he's look something like Z05 Link. Yet he's the same scrawny little boy he was FS. Anyways, my point is, whta' on the back of a box can't always be trusted.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:42 PM

Oh indeed, Link doesn't look any different, but at the same time, the way it is worded doesn't really imply a great length of time (And you can assume that it was two years at a minnimum).

It's a very moot point though, as I don't really think that the back of the boxes are the best place to be looking at for storyline answers either.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:03 PM

Then I'm just preaching to the choir here. ;)

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:09 PM

Heh, probably - I didn't actually read all the posts, just noticed people talking about what the back of the FSA box said, without anyone actually typing out what it said for other people to read.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:40 AM

Ypu can't put so many games between OoT and TWW - TWW follows on directly from OoT. And I disagree with anyone who says that OoT is the Imprisoning War from ALttP's backstory.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 10:02 AM

Aaaah. I'm losing my mind! Heres yet another refurbished timeline.

OoT-MM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~5 links
WW-ALttP-LA-Z'05 ~~~~~~5 zeldas
LoZ-AoL~~~~~~~~~~~~~1 ganon
OoX-MC~~~~~~~~~~3 (4?) Tingles
FS-FSA~~~~~~~~~1 single timeline

I'll change my sig. If y'all aprove....
Well, there goes my whole ''there are games between OoT and WW'' thing. This is ~so~ not like my original timeline <_< .

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 12:18 PM

OoT-MM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~5 links
WW-ALttP-LA-Z'05 ~~~~~~5 zeldas
LoZ-AoL~~~~~~~~~~~~~1 ganon
OoX-MC~~~~~~~~~~3 (4?) Tingles
FS-FSA~~~~~~~~~1 single timeline


This timeline's a bit better. Tingle isn't really an important factor, so you don't have to put that in. TWW Link and LTTP Link are centuries apart, and TMC and FS/FSA can't be at the end like that, but this is the best one yet. >.> The Light Force isn't the Triforce of Wisdom.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 12:52 PM

OoT-MM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~5 links
WW-ALttP-LA-Z'05 ~~~~~~5 zeldas
LoZ-AoL~~~~~~~~~~~~~1 ganon
OoX-MC~~~~~~~~~~3 (4?) Tingles
FS-FSA~~~~~~~~~1 single timeline


This is your best timeline yet. Still, I don't think it's possible TWW and AlttP are the same Link. That would require, in approximately four year's time based on Link's age.

-Flood ravaged Hyrule to be drained an reubuilt
-The MasterSword to be retrieved from Ganon's head and hidden in the lost woods where it has supposedly been for centuries so long that only Sasrhala remembers where it is.
-The Triforce making it's way to Ganon's hand in the Sacred realm in time for him to corrupt into the Dark World.
-The imprisoning war to start, finish, and become a distant memory
-Link's grandmother to vanish and be replaced by a mysterious uncle
-The Triforce developing sentience
-The Backstory involving Aghanim and the monsters
-A desert in the area where outset Island used to be? Yeah, right.

There is nothing wrong with wanting your timeline to be unique, but it needs to be well researched too. You can't just throw games somewhere because you like the order. (Well I guess you can, but...) For example, Oracle happens right before AlttP in my timeline, but I have reasons for that. I didn't chose that just to be unique. :ph34r:

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 02:21 PM

I didn't just throw 'em in a random order, or MM could be at the end, and OoT in the middle, and stuff like that, but, I didn't put ~that~ much thought into it.... The ligh force can be the ToW, if it were her psycic powers, than how could it be stolen from her. We see in WW that it is posible to phisicaly take the triforce.

I see your points :rolleyes: )*

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 02:30 PM

I thought I'd contribute a little to the thread even though I'm supposed to be working...

Aaaah. I'm losing my mind! Heres yet another refurbished timeline.

OoT-MM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~5 links
WW-ALttP-LA-Z'05 ~~~~~~5 zeldas

Putting OoT first is good, and MM is a given so that's fine.
As for aLttP after WW as the same Link, I believe that would be impossible. In aLttP, Ganon has been sealed in the Sacred Realm for hundreds of years before Link encounters him, so how does that follow the same Link having put a sword in his head and turning him to stone? even if you forget the whole hundreds of years thing, Ganon was in the Light World when it happened so how did he get sealed for aLttP?

LoZ-AoL~~~~~~~~~~~~~1 ganon
OoX-MC~~~~~~~~~~3 (4?) Tingles
FS-FSA~~~~~~~~~1 single timeline

I guess this is mostly possible. Some would argue that OoX has the MS in it, and so it would contradict the 'MS Sleeps Forever' line in aLttP ending. I always thought there was a reason why TMC had to come early on, but I guess there isn't. Nothing I can think of at the moment in anycase (though thats probly coz I'm tierd right now).

I'll change my sig. If y'all aprove....
Well, there goes my whole ''there are games between OoT and WW'' thing. This is ~so~ not like my original timeline <_< .

I don't think you can get everyone to approve so go with what you think is correct. Also, games can occur between OoT and WW. In my timeline, TMC comes between them and I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't work.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 03:04 PM

OoT-MM
WW-MC-Z'05
ALttP-LA
OoX-LoZ-AoL
FS-FSA


Oracles, LoZ then AoL can't be the same Link - in Oracles the Triforce is whole, but in AoL and LoZ the ToC has been hidden for centuries.




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