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Posted 12 February 2005 - 10:26 PM

The key segment in the Hylian Scrolls is -

The people anxiously waited for the legendary hero to appear once more, but since he traveled the stream of time and left the country behind, he did not appear.

So, it is being told from a perspective that is able to talk about how he 'travelled the stream of time' - this is the events at the end of OoT, when Link was sent back in time. It's a bit of a stretch to say that he 'traveled the stream of time' when he went to Termina, as he was crossing dimensions not time in that instance.

I don't believe in a split or a single, as I don't really care at this point in time (not enough info and I can't be bothered theorising). But that comment really does, to me, sound more like it is refering to Link time travelling at the end of OoT more than it does him travelling to Termina.

If anything, the entire line seems to imply that it is refering to the end of OoT AND the beginning of MM, as if you are supposed to take them exactly as they happened (Link travelled back in time, then leaves the country behind when he goes to Termina), but that particular wording could be more of a translation issue rather than a deliberate attempt to word it that way (not faulting your translation, Beno). It seems to me that the intention is that him travelling the stream of time and leaving the country behind are intended as a singular event, with him 'leaving the country behind' after 'travelling the stream of time' which is more consistent with the end of OoT than him leaving for Termina (after all, he left the country behind after he went back in time as well).

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 02:44 AM

If anything, the entire line seems to imply that it is refering to the end of OoT AND the beginning of MM, as if you are supposed to take them exactly as they happened

That is pretty much how I take the line.

It seems to me that the intention is that him travelling the stream of time and leaving the country behind are intended as a singular event, with him 'leaving the country behind' after 'travelling the stream of time' which is more consistent with the end of OoT than him leaving for Termina (after all, he left the country behind after he went back in time as well).


That wasn't shown at the end of the game. At the end of OoT we see Link in the courtyard with Zelda. He doesn't leave the country till the events of Majora's Mask.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 02:53 AM

No, I ment that from the perspecive of the people in the future, he still 'left the country behind' when he travelled back in time - and the line refers to him travelling the stream of time, which seems to be refering to the sequence in OoT when he left the future - I ment that it seems to be taking him travelling the flow of time and leaving the country behind as a singular event (him going back in time, out of the country as far as the people are concerned, in the end of OoT), rather than him going back in time and then leaving the country behind.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 03:27 AM

Okay I get what you are saying now. Thanks for clearing that up. Though I am still a single timeline guy, but the main reason that I want to keep my answers short and sweet is because last time I went into the discussion of the single, split, or multiple timelines my head almost exploded from overthinking.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 06:30 AM

That's ok, I wasn't trying to promote a split timeline or a single timeline, especially not in a thread about Marin being a better character than Malon :)

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 04:36 PM

Split timeline is not fan!



Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall timeline of the Legend of Zelda?

Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the ending in which Link was an adult.

p0wnz major it's a fact!

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 04:39 PM

wind waker fits in after the OOT and MM (thats all i know, cause i don't play the 2d games)... and whats a split time line? is that like 2 dimensions?

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 06:43 PM

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Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall timeline of the Legend of Zelda?  

Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the ending in which Link was an adult.

p0wnz major it's a fact!


That statement is a bit off in translation. It should have said that the Wind Waker takes hundreds of years after the events of Ocarina of Time, not just one hundred years. King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule even states in the game that it takes place a hundreds of years after the events of Ocarina of Time. Although that has nothing to do with a split or single timeline, I just thought I would point that out ;).

Yeah the game does have two endings, but the King of Red Lions recalls both the events of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. He recalls the childhood, adulthood timeline of the legend of the Ocarina of Time, and also mentions of him going on a personal journey that seperated him from the Triforce of Courage.

wind waker fits in after the OOT and MM (thats all i know, cause i don't play the 2d games)... and whats a split time line? is that like 2 dimension


The spilt timeline is a theory devised from having to different timelines in the Zelda series.

Most split timeliners will say that the OoT happened and then the Wind Waker follows later in one timeline, but the events that happen in the OoT were the ones from the childhood adventure I do believe.

The second timeline comes from the adulthood timeline, in which Ganon was sealed in the Dark World and then comes along A link to the Past.

I think that is how most of them would suggest it, but I could be wrong, you might want to ask someone who believes in the split-timeline.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 07:32 PM

I always thought it went that the Wind Waker followed the adult timeline, since that's what Aonuma said in his interview (there's two interviews where they mention the multiple ending thing - that one above and one where Myamoto is in on the discussion as well).

The child timeline, the one where Link goes into MM, is the one that then goes on to become aLttP's timeline, with perhaps a 'real' IW happening some time after MM which more closely follows the events of the IW from aLttP.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 07:53 PM

Yeah that is how it goes. I just forgot. I have had it explained to me before, and I know it was either one or the other. And Miyamoto and Aonuma may have said there was two different endings but they didn't say that the series had a split or multiple timeline. He was just making a reference as to where after the events occured which was supposed to be after the events of the adult timeline of Ocarina of Time, despite what happened in the actual game suggests. Also the statement was made before the game was released.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 08:18 PM

Was there two times that was stated though? The quote Monique posted doesn't seem to be the interview where both Miyamoto and Aonuma are talking, it just seems to be Aonuma - or has someone edited out the Miyamoto parts from taht interview?

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 08:24 PM

Was there two times that was stated though?  The quote Monique posted doesn't seem to be the interview where both Miyamoto and Aonuma are talking, it just seems to be Aonuma - or has someone edited out the Miyamoto parts from taht interview?


Actually I say that she just didn't post the whole conversation. Though Miyamoto doesn't really even comment on it, he just says that it is confusing even for them. Aonuma was the one going on about the two different endings.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 09:22 PM

Split-timeliners tend to make the timeline go like this:
Ocarina of Time - WW
Ocarina Of Time - MM
They claim that WW happens long after OoT in the adult timeline because that's what they mentioned in the interview. Also, according to this theory, in the original timeline Link goes on the MM quest at the end of OoT.
BUT WAIT! MM is mentioned in WW! So the two have to be in the same timeline! Thereby, disproving the notion of a split timeline.

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 10:53 AM

Monique: Making statements like "there is a split timeline" or "what makes no sense is there not being a split timeline" is unacceptable. Unless you back up your claims, don't make them, and trying to state them as absolute fact is always unacceptable. Period. If you continue doing so, I will have to suspend your account.

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 10:53 AM

the interview is on Zelda.com!! So if you want to read it. >_> go there and then behind the legend!

eeek x_x suspend my account!!
I'm just backing Eiji up >_> protecting Eiji Aunoma's statement is hopefully not against the rules here.

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 07:04 PM

So did Zelda.com paraphrase the other interview, or are there two different interviews were Aonuma talks about the 'two endings' thing?

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 03:48 PM

monique I can understand you backing up Aonuma's statment, but he didn't confirm a split-timeline anywhere in that article.

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 07:54 PM

We've established that. Monique, like myself, still carries n00bish tendencies but *cracks knuckles* we CAN seperate the women from the girls!

I personally don't even know what interview she's speaking of besides the WW interview which is old news and can be taken either way. You need a specific link, Monique.

P.S. OT, but heh heh, there's a snobbish old cat in Animal Crossing named after you...that's classic. Whoop, now they're going to suspend me. x_x

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 04:20 AM

In Link in link link? at Zelda.com link? Or in Link Link Link Link.. into Link hero of time?
Lol nvm, but doesn't he say's that there is actually a split timeline. And with split timeline I mean x_x two timelines seperated.. Funky-part is OoA and Oos suits for after Majora's mask. Because Twinrova is there too! Ah what the heck we should make a new topic and debate it there. I may sound n00bies but I can't state my point good in english. -sigh- why did the stupid Netherlands gave Newyork away for freaken money v_v;; otherwise dutch would be world language! (now that I could live with.)

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:41 AM

Eh?

I don't personally buy the piece of shit that is split timelines, but what some have argued is:

TWW and LTTP are at the same place in the two timelines. Ganon breaks free. In one, the Hero appears and in another he does not.

Some say FSA and LTTP are opposites.

Some say LoZ and LTTP happen oppositely, why I don't know.

And I bet some will say Z2005 and LTTP are opposites.

Split-timelines are just a copout to give LTTP some relevance in the timeline, which FSA has done quite well within the parameters of a signle timeline.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 02:52 PM

Split-timelines are just a copout to give LTTP some relevance in the timeline, which FSA has done quite well within the parameters of a signle timeline.


*sighs*

I've said that many a time. I mean, duh...but to me it made sense w/o FSA. Where does FS come into play?

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 05:40 PM

We've established that. Monique, like myself, still carries n00bish tendencies but *cracks knuckles* we CAN seperate the women from the girls!


Ooo! A little fiesty there are we? You don't happen to a have some Puerto Rican in you do you?

Another interpretation of the article is that maybe Mr. Aonuma wanted to get the numbers right since you have to take in account the seven years in OoT. They were merely using OoT "two endings" as reference point so some whackjob doesn't go and try to come up with weird numbbers like 93 or 107 years after OoT and cause a bunch of confusion. Of course this before they decided screw it and just put in "hundreds and hundreds."

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:05 PM

No, MJ, I'm Kentuckian, but besides skin color, what's the diff? We both talk funny and kick @$$.

Well, yeah, that's generally accepted, that theory you stated, except by those radical timeline theorists.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:21 PM

You don't happen to a have some Puerto Rican in you do you?

No.


Do you want one in you? :spam:

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:25 PM

Holy shite. MJ's sexuality is forever baffling.

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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:32 PM

It's just one of the great mysteries of life. I perfer to ignore it and eat pizza.

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 08:57 PM

*Just had pizza and waves it infront of Vazor, but he can't have any because of his fugged up TMC theory ^^* and what's this about MJ's baffling sexuality? that's MY job! (maybe he's bi?)

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 09:35 PM

*Just had pizza and waves it infront of Vazor, but he can't have any because of his fugged up TMC theory ^^*

Er...the Light Force is certaily not the Triforce...yeah...can I have the pizza now?

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 10:42 PM

Mario jr said he was bi on another thread, for those getting confused ;) I didn't know you had baffling sexuality, MikePetersSucks.

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 12:23 PM

Yes. I'm bipolar.




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