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[SOAP]

i wish i could fight the rainbow guy.

Me too. He's the most annoying straight guy ever. XP

[coinilius]

I am actually working on creating a translation for the entire Zelda Box. I haven't gotten to the character notes on Aryll yet (I am skipping around a bit, to keep things interesting), but I'll skim over it in a bit and see if I see anything about gulls or Marin in there.

Thanks Beno! Maybe I just imagined it, or maybe that website was just wrong - but I'm sure there was something like that mentioned somewhere before (gee, can I be any more vague when describing that?)

[Beno]

Here we go, I found it.... There is more about Ariru but this is the only part about her name. It was a quick translation so there may be some minor errors, but this is the basic idea. (And this is Aonuma talking)

"As for the origin of Ariru's name, in the beginning we wanted the name to be similiar to Marin in "Sleeping Island" and Maron in "Ocarina of Time". At first she was called "Mariru", but it was finally changed to Ariru."

[coinilius]

Ahh, thanks for that Beno! It stands to reason then that the seagull thing was a holdover from when she was Mariru (I wonder, would that have been translated to Maryll, like the pokemon?), what with the Marin/Seagull connection...

[Beno]

Yeah, it's exactly the same except there is a "MAH" sound instead of an "AH" sound. So Maryll is probably what NoA would have gone with.
It's possible that because the Pokemon Marill has that name that they decided to not go with Maryll. Maybe they didn't want everyone to think of the adorable little blue animal, whenever Link was worried about his sister?

[coinilius]

It could have worked - Marill's adorable, Aryll's adorable...

Also, it could have lead to some more storyline discussion as well - with her name being a deliberate reference to Malon and Marin, it might have prompted people to suggest she was a descendant of Malon and OoT Link...

[Husse]

I always thought there was something oddly familiar about Aryll!

I hadn't played LA since I was 7...

[monique]

It could have worked - Marill's adorable, Aryll's adorable...

Also, it could have lead to some more storyline discussion as well - with her name being a deliberate reference to Malon and Marin, it might have prompted people to suggest she was a descendant of Malon and OoT Link...

dude the freaken guy timetravelled away, he didn't had time for sex!

[Kairu Hakubi]

there's always time. it's not like it takes all that long. i really like the idea of link and malon having kids.. think how cute they'd be! all orange-headed and blue-eyed..

[SOAP]

Marill means "Bitter."

[monique]

there's always time. it's not like it takes all that long. i really like the idea of link and malon having kids.. think how cute they'd be! all orange-headed and blue-eyed..

OH NO THE IMAGES ARE IN MY HEAD!!!! hahaha just kidding!
Poor Malon >_> her decendents would have a cruel faith because of their father....

Ganondorf: RAWR!!! *bites head off from one of Link's decendents!*

[Hana-Nezumi]

imo he returned to hyrule after oot then settled down with malon after realizing his feelings for her in mm. and the hero did not appear because ww takes place in the adult timeline which was sealed off when link put the master sword back into the pedistal.

[Husse]

imo he returned to hyrule after oot then settled down with malon after realizing his feelings for her in mm.

Me sentiments exactly. It's all fanfic, but that's what I got from MM.

[coinilius]

dude the freaken guy timetravelled away, he didn't had time for sex!

Dude, I was saying that it would lead others to suggest it, not that I WAS suggesting it

Although, if you were going by a single timeline, it would be possible, as Malon and him could have gotten it on after MM (and when they were grown up a bit, obviously). In a split timeline, it wouldn't work unless you also assumed that Link and Malon hooked up at some point during the events of OoT and you just didn't see it...

[monique]

Link and Malon could have a thing for eachother in Mm, but so could Link and Zelda...
Thats the whole debation about.. >_> in Windwaker; Zelda probably married a peasant, and so did Malon. XD both didn't had Link then. But Tetra has windwaker Link now!

[SOAP]

can someone please tell me what "IMO" means?

In My Opinion. There's also IMHO too which is slightly more polite.

[Husse]

Mm-hm. Monique, again, you make no sense. OoT Zelda marrying a PEASANT? Tis to laugh.

Another reason why I don't like split-timeline: leaveth no room for romance...

[monique]

Hello, in windwaker there wasn't stated that another land then Hyrule drowned with it.
Plus Princesses can marry peasants. It still happends here all the time! But I don't know where you live.. >_> Probably in a country where you have a president or something.
But in Europe a lot of Prince and Princesses just marries some peasant.
wether you like it or not, there is a split timeline, and I really don't believe zelda married a hussy Prince. Because Ganondorf was searching girls with pointy ears!
And I believe that only Hyrule is the country that have pointy ears to hear the gods whisperings. Like Malon in Ooa and Oos she didn't live in Hyrule thus she doesn't have pointy ears like she did in Ocarina of time!
What makes nosense is believing there isn't a split timeline!!

Plus like you know if Zelda married someone higher.. hahahahaha because you don't!
So you can't say if it's nonsense because it's not your game! Just your theorie and I find you theorie as well nonsense!

[coinilius]

Darkseid: Actually, the Hylian Text helps to suggest a split-timeline, it's the translated creator comments that go along with it that don't suggest a split-timeline. The Hylian Text states that Link travelled the flow of time and left the country behind (slight paraphrasing), which is more consistent with the idea of the Hylian scrolls being written in a post adult timeline universe - as that's where he journied into the time-stream again and dissapeared. The Creator comments then suggest that Link leaving the country behind and Ganon's return are the period of time that is Majora's Mask, but it's interesting to note that the creator comments seem more reactionary than authoritive - ie, it seems more like the commentator is giving his/her impression of what the scrolls mean, rather than a definitive answer to what they are conveying.

[monique]

Yea and it was stated in an Interview where Eiji Aunoma even explains the situation!!
Anyway Malon lived in Hyrule in Minishcap..

[Vazor]

And Link and Zelda were around in LoZ. And LTTP. And OoT. And FS. Point: Characters with similar looks and identical names aren't necessarily one in the same.

And split-timelines...ugh.
All this talk about going back in time and creating a new timeline is utter fanwank. He ERASED THE FUTURE. That's why Zelda sent him back, remember?
And why wouldn't that be celebrated? If you defeated an evil being in the future and went back in time to prevent it from happening, when the tale was passed on people would still talk about the grueling battle and your victory!

[Hana-Nezumi]

And split-timelines...ugh.
All this talk about going back in time and creating a new timeline is utter fanwank.  He ERASED THE FUTURE.  That's why Zelda sent him back, remember?
And why wouldn't that be celebrated?  If you defeated an evil being in the future and went back in time to prevent it from happening, when the tale was passed on people would still talk about the grueling battle and your victory!

and where does it say that the future was erased? zelda said that the path between timelines would be SEALED. sure, to link it would SEEM as if the future was erased, but why would it just dissapear like that for no reason? and if it was erased, then everybody at the lon lon ranch partay should be gone too!

[Hana-Nezumi]

the future was erased. it doesn't make sense. you can't go into the future and come back and still have the future there. that's why I think he was sent back before he took the master sword, then ganon couldn't enter the sacred realm and destroy everything.

yes, the future is like it was never there, but games can still take place there even though is supposed to be gone. anything's possible in a fictional videogame!

the future had to of been erased. if i slept for seven years, woke up and then killed someone worse than ganon, let's say... a pop music star, and then i went back in time 7 years, the pop star would be alive again.

the pop star would be alive again to you and everyone else you ask, but he/she could be dead in some alternate universe, which nobody can ever see. it's called science fiction. i remember some miyamoto quote about things being more than they seem, but i don't remember it exactly. ^^;

i think the future was erased, except in link's mind, because he just went back in time and his body got younger, but his memory is still there. but then, that doesn't make sense either... hmm... w/e

yes, its still there in memories. but no, there's no way for link to know that it still exits physically, unless he interprets zelda's quote about the future being sealed.

[Vazor]

the pop star would be alive again to you and everyone else you ask, but he/she could be dead in some alternate universe, which nobody can ever see. it's called science fiction. i remember some miyamoto quote about things being more than they seem, but i don't remember it exactly. ^^;

Legend of Zelda is fantasy, not science fiction.

yes, its still there in memories. but no, there's no way for link to know that it still exits physically, unless he interprets zelda's quote about the future being sealed.

She was just talking poeticly (sp?). When I played through OoT, I didn't even think about the future world still existing, I just assumed automatically that she meant it would be destroyed, which I'm pretty sure is what the developers meant.

[Hana-Nezumi]

Legend of Zelda is fantasy, not science fiction.

so your saying they can't have some sci-fi elements? the game creators can do whatever they want, there aren't any specific genre guidlines they have to follow. and you don't think termina is sciencefictionish?

She was just talking poeticly (sp?).  When I played through OoT, I didn't even think about the future world still existing, I just assumed automatically that she meant it would be destroyed, which I'm pretty sure is what the developers meant.

then how do you explain the partay at lon-lon? i'm seriously starting to think the developers haven't even made up their minds!