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#1 canas is back

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 03:14 PM

if it has been asked before :P
I was pondering on this not only when making my game but on what it could mean for several of the games.

If they are literal decendants, link was somehow naughty as an adult and managed to get his line into there before he got sent back :blink: , or else there is some sort of inconsistancy there :ahh: .

If they aren't well it kind of makes some of my game blow up, and raises several questions that I do not feel like sharing.

also does link have ANY relation to the royal family (like one link did in fact have a relationship with zelda)

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 03:45 PM

*Massive speculation warning*

I think that it's possible Minish Cap Link got with Zelda and ended up as king of Hyrule, but I don't think that he's connected with any of the others except maybe Wind Waker Link.

I do not think that the Hero of Time is an ancestor of the Hero of Winds due to the translation thread. I think that the HoT is an ancestor of Twilight Princess Link though. TP Link living as a farmer with Epona suggests Hero of Time+Malon.

I'm not really sure on ALttP Link. He only had the blood of the Knights but it's still possible. Since he possessed the entire Triforce he could have married Zelda and became the King in the AoL back story.

LoZ Link seems to be just a wandering swordsman until AoL where he likely gets sleeping Zelda as hinted by the ending cut scene. That way Oracle Link could be descended from LoZ Link/Sleeping Zelda and Oracle Zelda could be descended from LoZ Zelda/Someone else. Now that I think about it I hope there are a few more generations in between there. :blink:

As for FS and FSA Link/s I have no idea.

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 06:13 PM

I think OoT Link is probably an ancestor of TP Link, especially as the Triforce of Courage would be handed down. Also, *waits for someone to explain to me why the Hero's Shade can't be OoT Link*. Other than that, there are no other similar cases of inheritance, so there's no evidence either way.

Edited by Impossible, 08 May 2009 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 08 May 2009 - 07:39 PM

I'm inclined to believe that all Link's in the child timeline are relatives, but as Impossible said, there's no real evidence.
That the Link of ALttP was born amogn the descendants of the Knights doesn't really say much since no game (FSA I'm looking at you) bothered to show him get knighted.

If that was the case though, this could explain why he wasn't back in the adult timeline.
I enjoy imagining the Goddesses going like "Oh **** that's what we forgot! This time we can't age him from 1 to 18... let's put a watery lid on this mess!"

Of course any games taking place after TWW may have Links descendant of that in TWW.

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 09:19 PM

I'd say they're all descended from the Hylian knights, though not necessarily related to each other.

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 09:38 PM

I've always assumed that they were descendants of one another, I've actually developed my own little pet theory that explains how they all got to be, where they are.

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 09:44 PM

I believe LttP Link is stated on the box or somewhere to be NES Link's ancestor, but I have no idea what Japan has to say on the issue. >_>

As for the knights thing, OoT Link was probably originally supposed to stand in for the knights but... uh... using that as evidence would get a little meta now.

TP Link and the Hero's Shade is pretty much a sure thing, though, and WW Link is implied to be totally unrelated to OoT Link, which kinda cleans up that inconsistency if we're to assume that each Link is directly descended from the last.

As everyone already said though, there's not really a lot of evidence to go around.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 03:36 AM

Easiest solution: The Goddesses have some weird, trippy selective breeding thing going on with the mortals of Hyrule, which causes the same Links, Zeldas, Malons, Happy Masks Salesman, ect to pop up in Hyrule's genetic pool. With some variations of course. None of them are necessarily related though they may be reincarnations of the same soul. If TMC is first then maybe they're all reincarnation of the Hero of Men. If not, they're all reincarnations of OoT Link. TP Link might be related to OoT Link and ALttP Link might be an ancestor of LoZ Link. But beyond that, I don't know and I don't think so.

They're all Hylains though and since Hylians are supposedly rarer in games that chronologically take place at later times, it's probably safe to say that whatever genes make up Link was kept "within the family."

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 07:53 AM

Yes. That's why they all look the same and can't speak. It's because they're all horribly inbred.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:25 AM

I believe LttP Link is stated on the box or somewhere to be NES Link's ancestor, but I have no idea what Japan has to say on the issue. >_>

The Japanese box does not speak of lineage... but then neither does the American one since predecessors =/= ancestors.

They're all Hylains though

Not a fact... and in actuality, the opposite may be true (according to ALttP, pure breed Hylians shouldn't exist anymore).
However they all have pointy ears, so if anything they all descend from Hylians.

Edited by Duke Serkol, 09 May 2009 - 08:26 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2009 - 01:19 PM

I always assumed they were just reincarnations. Only LTTP Link is technically required to be of any special lineage.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 11:54 AM

I always assumed they were just reincarnations.

Yeah, I agree on this one.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 04:15 PM

I recall seeing an interview with Aonuma where he said that it was always a different Link and Zelda (except with direct sequels) but the same Ganon in every game.

I always thought that they weren't related. They were just amazing people chosen/created by the Goddesses to combat evil. The only Links that might be related are OoT and TP Link, but I have a hard time picturing OoT Link settling down considering how his journey affected him and how he became a restless spirit after death (well, at least it's phenomenally likely that OoT Link is the Hero's Shade).

Edited by Average Gamer, 10 May 2009 - 04:18 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2009 - 07:25 PM

Doesn't the Hero's Spirit/Shade say that Link is part of the "bloodline of the hero"?

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 07:44 PM

I recall seeing an interview with Aonuma where he said that it was always a different Link and Zelda (except with direct sequels) but the same Ganon in every game.

I always thought that they weren't related. They were just amazing people chosen/created by the Goddesses to combat evil. The only Links that might be related are OoT and TP Link, but I have a hard time picturing OoT Link settling down considering how his journey affected him and how he became a restless spirit after death (well, at least it's phenomenally likely that OoT Link is the Hero's Shade).


Well Link doesn't necessarily have to settle down. He could, for example have boned Malon in a night of hot, steamy born sex, and was gone by morning, leaving her knocked up with Link's baby who would soon be TP Link's great (however many greats) grandparent. This is purely fanfiction on my part but I think this is exactly what happened and that OoT Link died in Lost Woods and a part of him came back as the Hero's Shade to be the father figure to TP Link that he never was for his child with Malon.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 07:59 PM

Well Link doesn't necessarily have to settle down. He could, for example have boned Malon in a night of hot, steamy born sex, and was gone by morning, leaving her knocked up with Link's baby who would soon be TP Link's great (however many greats) grandparent.


Maybe, but I've always struggled to see OoT Link even doing that in the end. The guy just seemed to be really messed up by his journeys, and being thrown into a timeline where Hyrule never experienced the hell he witnessed might have further isolated him from everyone. Besides, he never showed any true interest in people anyway.

OoT Link died in Lost Woods and a part of him came back as the Hero's Shade


The Hero's Shade appears to be a ghost, not a zombie, who manifests as a golden wolf in the world of the living. I doubt that he actually turned into a Stalfos. The way I see it, the form was meant to represent that he was merely a ghost, and it might have been awkward for TP Link to be taught by a guy who looked just like him anyway.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 10:28 AM

it's because the Oot Link was raped, [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img], by every girl who took a liking to him.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 03:32 PM

Well Link doesn't necessarily have to settle down. He could, for example have boned Malon in a night of hot, steamy born sex, and was gone by morning, leaving her knocked up with Link's baby who would soon be TP Link's great (however many greats) grandparent.


Maybe, but I've always struggled to see OoT Link even doing that in the end. The guy just seemed to be really messed up by his journeys, and being thrown into a timeline where Hyrule never experienced the hell he witnessed might have further isolated him from everyone. Besides, he never showed any true interest in people anyway.

OoT Link died in Lost Woods and a part of him came back as the Hero's Shade


The Hero's Shade appears to be a ghost, not a zombie, who manifests as a golden wolf in the world of the living. I doubt that he actually turned into a Stalfos. The way I see it, the form was meant to represent that he was merely a ghost, and it might have been awkward for TP Link to be taught by a guy who looked just like him anyway.


I didn't meamnn to say Link became a Stalfos. What I maen is that the Heros Shade is a part of OoT Link, possibly a personification of his regrets that were still tied with the mortal plain. In other words a ghost but only a part of his soul that didn't move on with the rest. If that makes sense. That part of himself needn't look exactly like OoT Link did as a mortal. It's a spiritual representation so it can look like whatever best represents that aspects of Link. In the Hero's Shade's case, it's a Stalfos Warrior and a Golden Wolf. Both represent the warrior in OoT Link.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 01:08 PM

Who says that the Hero's Shade has any connection to any Link at all? It doesn't look, act, behave, etc. like any of them, even when you account for Protagonist Mime Syndrome. It's not like Links are the only heroes in Hyrule, given the Knights of Hyrule, LTTP Link's Uncle, TMC Link's Grandpa...

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 03:35 PM

MPS has a point, the Hero's Shade isn't necessarily one of the previous Links. But I do believe him to be a member of Link's bloodline.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 03:00 AM

Who says that the Hero's Shade has any connection to any Link at all? It doesn't look, act, behave, etc. like any of them, even when you account for Protagonist Mime Syndrome. It's not like Links are the only heroes in Hyrule, given the Knights of Hyrule, LTTP Link's Uncle, TMC Link's Grandpa...


MPS, we alraedy had this debate hundreds of times.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 12:44 PM

I know we have, and it's still never been explained to my satisfaction why the Hero's Shade must be a Link.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 04:49 PM

Who says that the Hero's Shade has any connection to any Link at all? It doesn't look, act, behave, etc. like any of them, even when you account for Protagonist Mime Syndrome. It's not like Links are the only heroes in Hyrule, given the Knights of Hyrule, LTTP Link's Uncle, TMC Link's Grandpa...

not to mention that there being more "heroes" than just Link seemed to be a theme of TP

Also ditto the first scentence.

MPS has a point, the Hero's Shade isn't necessarily one of the previous Links. But I do believe him to be a member of Link's bloodline.

This would be my opinion on the subject.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 08:57 PM

I don't know why it has to be a previous Link. There may be evidence (or information that could be interpretable as evidence) that points to the shade NOT being a previous Link. I mean, there's the text in the TP graveyard in Hyrule Castle that talks about the "cursed swordsman", but that wouldn't fit any Link we know of. OoT Link wouldn't fit this because we'd have to assume with no warrant at all that he was "cursed". I'm actually curious as to what the arguments are FOR the Hero's Shade needing to be a previous Link.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 07:38 AM

I don't know why it has to be a previous Link. There may be evidence (or information that could be interpretable as evidence) that points to the shade NOT being a previous Link. I mean, there's the text in the TP graveyard in Hyrule Castle that talks about the "cursed swordsman", but that wouldn't fit any Link we know of. OoT Link wouldn't fit this because we'd have to assume with no warrant at all that he was "cursed". I'm actually curious as to what the arguments are FOR the Hero's Shade needing to be a previous Link.


Something to do with the fact that LInk turns into a wolf in the Twilight Realm because he's special. Chosen, that is. The Spirit must also be chosen and therefore, it is presumed that the spirit is Link's ancestor because we only ever see Link as a Chosen One.

I don't really like that logic, to tell you the truth.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 08:01 AM

I think the connection is that the Hero's Shade refers to himself as "the hero". In the context of Twilight Princess specifically, there is only one meaning for "the hero".

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 12:43 PM

Something to do with the fact that LInk turns into a wolf in the Twilight Realm because he's special. Chosen, that is. The Spirit must also be chosen and therefore, it is presumed that the spirit is Link's ancestor because we only ever see Link as a Chosen One.

I don't really like that logic, to tell you the truth.


Which is funny because it means people are completely missing the reason for the Wolf symbolism anyway.

I think the connection is that the Hero's Shade refers to himself as "the hero". In the context of Twilight Princess specifically, there is only one meaning for "the hero".


This is funny because this problem doesn't exist in the Japanese script, since "a" and "the" are pretty much the same word and translated interchangeably.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 02:18 PM

This is funny because this problem doesn't exist in the Japanese script, since "a" and "the" are pretty much the same word and translated interchangeably.


Fair enough then.

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 06:43 AM

I know we have, and it's still never been explained to my satisfaction why the Hero's Shade must be a Link.


Fortunately I don't have to prove anything to you as you're not the authority you sometimes make yourself out to be. Really it's getting annoying.

Even though the whole Hero's Shade thing is not a big issue with me (it does not affect the timeline either way) but since you're being so condescending about this, look at the blade of the Hero's Shade's sword. Look what hand he holds it in in the Gamecube version.

Edited by SOAP, 18 May 2009 - 06:44 AM.


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Posted 18 May 2009 - 01:17 PM

Fortunately I don't have to prove anything to you as you're not the authority you sometimes make yourself out to be. Really it's getting annoying.


I wear the authority of "typical fan well-versed in objective facts regardless of interpretation." Just because I'm vocal doesn't mean I'm arrogant or that my ideas are better. I just find it important that if an idea isn't convincing, it's not really worth considering. Since your only retort in defense of the theory is "I don't have to prove anything to you", I think that makes it pretty clear the hypothesis doesn't have shit to stand on.

Even though the whole Hero's Shade thing is not a big issue with me (it does not affect the timeline either way) but since you're being so condescending about this, look at the blade of the Hero's Shade's sword. Look what hand he holds it in in the Gamecube version.


OH MAH GAWD HES HOLDIN' IT IN THE SAME HAND LINK DOES

Just like Link's Uncle. That and it's obviously for the player's benefit, what with him mirroring moves and such.




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