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#91 MikePetersSucks

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 12:02 PM

His pagan behind.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 12:45 PM

But the Japanese version could have said something different. There ARE differences in the dialogue, from version to version even from v1.0, v1.1 to v1.2. :P And why does he HAVE to grow up again, anyways? And could'nt another Link be half Kokiri, instead? Such as ALTTP Link, or, (dare I seed the idea), TWW Link? After all, in the second quest of TWW, Link can understand the Hylian tounge. What does the Deku Tree say to him then? Does anyone know? And I should'nt have to point out that in PH, Link has a fairy companion, (possibly Navi). Oh, and before you rag on my "ALTTP Link might be half Kokiri" theory, you should check the BS Zelda Homepage's "Developing New Races For The Zelda Series" article, by Duke Serkol. Concerning the Kokiri it basically says this: The Kokiri are based off the twin lumberjacks from ALTTP, because an uncommon way to say lumberjacks, which is the one used in the game, happens to be Kikori. They also live near a forest. And I should'nt have to point out out the simmilarity of their clothing to the Kokiri. Truthfully, they may be Kokiri with fairies hidden underneath their hats. Notice that I did'nt quote it exactly, but well... you get the idea. Could'nt ALTTP Link have a fairy underneath his hat? I know that sounds crazy, but I still believe I could be right.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 12:55 PM

"Based off the Lumberjacks" does not = Kokiri. And a fanpage does not = canon. Fanpages always have their own theories that may or may not be backed up by Nintendo officially.

Link also had a fairy companion in the cartoon series. You gonna say now that our favorite "EXCUUUUUSE ME, Princess!" Link is a Kokiri too??

And Link HAS to grow up because he never had a childhood. He started out as a 10 year old and immediately went to 17 years old. That's... kind of fucked up. He never got to go through puberty, never got to enjoy the rest of his childhood, and after 7 years, no one in Hyrule except the sages knew who he was. All his childhood friends forgot him, thought he had disappeared. He had to go back and grow up with everyone he knew.

Seriously, shut the hell up. You don't know anything about the Zelda series. Every bit of your arguments comes off of fan theories. Read some magazine interviews, or write a letter to Nintendo, or visit some official websites. Stop going off of Zelda Shrines. No matter how big the site is or how much traffic it gets, their word =/= canon.

And learn to stop double posting and write some goddamned PARAGRAPHS. With your walls of text and inability to separate topics, there's no way you could have passed writing in English. How old are you, anyway?? You sound like a friggin 11 year old.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:03 PM

:deadlink: It's impossible to outsmart an idiot, so i'm just going to stop trying after this post.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:27 PM

"Based off the Lumberjacks" does not = Kokiri. And a fanpage does not = canon. Fanpages always have their own theories that may or may not be backed up by Nintendo officially.

Link also had a fairy companion in the cartoon series. You gonna say now that our favorite "EXCUUUUUSE ME, Princess!" Link is a Kokiri too??

And Link HAS to grow up because he never had a childhood. He started out as a 10 year old and immediately went to 17 years old. That's... kind of fucked up. He never got to go through puberty, never got to enjoy the rest of his childhood, and after 7 years, no one in Hyrule except the sages knew who he was. All his childhood friends forgot him, thought he had disappeared. He had to go back and grow up with everyone he knew.

Seriously, shut the hell up. You don't know anything about the Zelda series. Every bit of your arguments comes off of fan theories. Read some magazine interviews, or write a letter to Nintendo, or visit some official websites. Stop going off of Zelda Shrines. No matter how big the site is or how much traffic it gets, their word =/= canon.

And learn to stop double posting and write some goddamned PARAGRAPHS. With your walls of text and inability to separate topics, there's no way you could have passed writing in English. How old are you, anyway?? You sound like a friggin 11 year old.



First off, the cartoon is DEFINENTLY NOT canon! Can you imagine a Link who is a COMPLETE JERK!!!! Second off, we do'nt know exactly what age Link was at the beginning of the series or when he grew up! The game NEVER states what particular age he is at ANY given time! The only game we DO know what age Link is, is in AOL where he is around 15-16. (His mark appears around his 16th birthday). Third off, I DO know something about the Zelda series. I just think that Link does NOT deserve to grow old. And I am OLDER than 11 years old. I know most of you disagree with my theory, but I will continue to stick to it. :P It seems to me that you borrow as much from non-canonical sources as I do. Oh and by the way, that supposed "not-a-Kokiri" guy, sure seems to be a Kokiri to ME, even though he has no fairy, because the fairy COULD be in his pockets. Besides, his fairy would arouse suspicions, so maybe it's invisible. He even has a strikingly Kokiri resembling tunic, (belt and all). And even if you ask why he has no hat: is a hat REALLY a neseccity for a Kokiri?

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 04:55 PM

I can't take it anymore. :deadlink: You're not listening to anything anyone is saying, even the little bit about using paragraphs.

I still don't get how you reason that that that guy in Kakariko Village is a Kokiri. The fact that his model doesn't change could imply that he's already an adult.

Let me give you a tip: The Storyline section is for people that are serious about the Storyline of the Zelda games. They support their theories with as much evidence that they can find. Your idea is, as its been said over and over, a fan fic style idea. There is no evidence to support it in the games, and infact, there is evidence to go against it. Get out of the Storyline section until/unless you have theories that are backed up by evidence in games, or any other sources that are considered canon.
What I mean...I can't stop you form posting here, but you are really making a fool of yourself.

On another note, you really do sound like an 11 year old, and while you may know about the Zelda games, you don't seem to be mature enough to accept that your theory is not true, as well as to realize just how stupid you idea sounds. If you're going to stick with it, just write a fan fic. :deadlink:

Edited by LinksLove, 13 August 2007 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2007 - 05:46 PM

First, I'm sure he's older than 11. He's 11 and a half.

Second, I fail to see how you can discount the cartoon Link as not being canon but as soon as some fanficer posts something on a shrine you consider it Zelda gospel. You make my brain hurt.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:47 PM

If you're going to stick with it, just write a fan fic. :deadlink:


Or better yet Picman, since you believe in multiple realities why don't you go find one that agrees with you and go preach your theory to them and laeve us the hell alone. Kay, bye.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 01:46 AM

But the Japanese ver

sion could have said something different. There ARE differences in the dialogue, from version to version even from v1.0, v1.1 to v1.2.


The different versions say the same plot relevant things. It's not like the European version says he's a Zora, or anything.

And why does he HAVE to grow up again, anyways?

Because it proves he's a Hylian.

And could'nt another Link be half Kokiri, instead? Such as ALTTP Link, or, (dare I seed the idea), TWW Link?


Link is always Hylian.

After all, in the second quest of TWW, Link can understand the Hylian tounge. What does the Deku Tree say to him then? Does anyone know?

The second quest isn't canon, so who cares? As for what the Deku Tree says, he thinks that TWW Link is the Hero of Time.

And I should'nt have to point out that in PH, Link has a fairy companion, (possibly Navi).


It's not Navi, it's a fairy named Ceila, and so what? Fairy companions for a Kokiri are assigned at birth. This is just a random fairy that asks for Link's help to save her sisters.

Oh, and before you rag on my "ALTTP Link might be half Kokiri" theory, you should check the BS Zelda Homepage's "Developing New Races For The Zelda Series" article, by Duke Serkol. Concerning the Kokiri it basically says this: The Kokiri are based off the twin lumberjacks from ALTTP, because an uncommon way to say lumberjacks, which is the one used in the game, happens to be Kikori. They also live near a forest. And I should'nt have to point out out the simmilarity of their clothing to the Kokiri. Truthfully, they may be Kokiri with fairies hidden underneath their hats.

Just because Kokiri are based on them doesn't mean they actually ARE Kokiri. Especially since they're fairyless adults who are cutting down trees, which is like a cow that servers hamburgers.

Could'nt ALTTP Link have a fairy underneath his hat?


It would've been mentioned. Besides, LTTP Link is descended from the Hylian Knights. He can't be anything other than Hylian.

Come on, I know you're not this fucking retarded.

...Well, nevermind.

First off, the cartoon is DEFINENTLY NOT canon! Can you imagine a Link who is a COMPLETE JERK!!!!

It's an analogy, moron.

It seems to me that you borrow as much from non-canonical sources as I do.


Strawman.

sure seems to be a Kokiri to ME


He's an adult. Someone with Kokiri blood can never, ever, EVER grow up. Get this through your goddamned dumbass Wicca-Wetard head.

I hope you fucking die.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:26 AM

I fail to see how you can discount the cartoon Link as not being canon but as soon as some fanficer posts something on a shrine you consider it Zelda gospel.

I don't really consider myself a fanfiction writer. But by the same token, of course, I have never attempted to pass any of my theories and observation as canon.

And...

doesn't mean they actually ARE Kokiri. Especially since they're fairyless adults who are cutting down trees, which is like a cow that servers hamburgers.

that IS a very good observation and comparison :lol:

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:43 AM

And I'm the bitchy, arrogant one? Some of you guys are being a hell of a lot more vicious than I ever am.

Not that it isn't deserved, but still. Just making an observation. ^^;

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 03:22 PM

I fail to see how you can discount the cartoon Link as not being canon but as soon as some fanficer posts something on a shrine you consider it Zelda gospel.

I don't really consider myself a fanfiction writer. But by the same token, of course, I have never attempted to pass any of my theories and observation as canon.

And...

doesn't mean they actually ARE Kokiri. Especially since they're fairyless adults who are cutting down trees, which is like a cow that servers hamburgers.

that IS a very good observation and comparison :lol:


To the first one, I have no comment. But to the second one, I have simply this to say: their fairy companions (if they have them), could very well be in their hats. You said so yourself, Duke! :P And as for the "Link is descended from the "untainted" line of the Hylian knights" idea, I am pretty sure that what LionHarted said about them mingling with other races is true. And besides, MikePetersSucks, what makes you so sure that they ARE PURE Hylian? Can you quote your sources?

Edited by Picman, 14 August 2007 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 14 August 2007 - 05:47 PM

I never denied that I was bitchy and arrogant. I impale people with ice javelins. :D

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 06:01 PM

I never denied that I was bitchy and arrogant. I impale people with ice javelins. :D

I don't mean you Delphi, you're a person after my own heart. XP There can't be too much icey impalings.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 12:14 AM

I have simply this to say: their fairy companions (if they have them), could very well be in their hats.

If they had fairies, they'd be in plain sight. There's no reason at all to hide them. And it still doesn't explain why they're adult and cutting down trees, which are like...their cousins or something.

MikePetersSucks, what makes you so sure that they ARE PURE Hylian? Can you quote your sources?


I don't have to. Occam's Razor, along with a lack of evidence and umpteen games, have shown us absolutely NO half-breeds. Unless it's specifically stated, we have to assume a character is of pure blood. Thus, the Hylian Knights are Hylian and Hylian only unless there's proof otherwise. Same with Zelda, Link, etcetera.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 12:25 PM

MPS, is there really a need to bring out Occam's Razor on this poor fellow?

At any rate, I've been watching, and enjoying greatly, the hilariousness of this thread for a while. I've watched our friend, Picman, being spat on for almost four full pages. His theory, which holds absolutely no water, has been shot down by the first or second response, yet this entertaning charade continues. Before this thread is shut down completely, I beleive I'd like to knock some sense into Picman, here.

By the way, hello there, young n00b. I hope you enjoy your stay here. Make sure you're aware of the rules that you've been breaking in large amounts. Before you get into some (more) trouble. That said, your theory deserves perhaps three minutes of my (precious) time. And so now, I tell you that is does not work; not here, or in any reality.
  • Link wields the Master sword, thus he must be a true Hylian Knight. This is true for ALttP, OoT, TWW, and TP.
  • The Deku Tree Sprout tells us that Link is, and always has been, a Hylian.
  • Kokiri was not "invented" by the time of ALttP, so he could not be a Kokiri unless it was retconned, which it has not been.
  • Nor could he be a Kokiri in LoZ, AoL, LA, or the cartoons, for the same reason as ALttP; Kokiri weren't even a thought, then.
  • Nor could he be a Kokiri in LoZ or AoL because he was not from Hyrule. Thusly, he couldn't be Kokiri in the Cartoons because it is believed that the cartoons follow the same Link and Zelda as LoZ/AoL. (He does have a Fairy, though it is still impossible; Nintendo again chose to "give" link a fairy.)
  • Any Kokiri cannot age, which Link does in OoT. When he goes back in time, he also ages as he normally would: In MM, he is old enough to use a Hero's Bow, due to the fact that he's aged "about a year".
  • All Kokiri's recieve a Fairy at birth, which Link did not; both in OoT, MM, and the upcoming Phantom Hourglass. As said by several others, he "recieves" it.
  • Fairies do not hide under hats, or in pockets, for extensive periods of time. If Nintendo wishes to tell us who is Kokiri and who isn't Kokiri, then they do so deliberately with Faries that are in plain sight.
  • Link was sent back to enjoy the seven lost years of his childhood, not to "continue his eternal youth".
  • Kokiri are plants (the Koroks), and thusly could not impregnate anybody...though I don't think i'll be getting into that one in detail...
Anyway, you have been proven wrong. Please accept this, or else you will be continually tormented. And I will laugh. hahaha.
Good luck with fanfiction and whatnot.

Edited by D~N, 15 August 2007 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2007 - 12:27 PM

I have simply this to say: their fairy companions (if they have them), could very well be in their hats.

If they had fairies, they'd be in plain sight. There's no reason at all to hide them. And it still doesn't explain why they're adult and cutting down trees, which are like...their cousins or something.

MikePetersSucks, what makes you so sure that they ARE PURE Hylian? Can you quote your sources?

I don't have to. Occam's Razor, along with a lack of evidence and umpteen games, have shown us absolutely NO half-breeds. Unless it's specifically stated, we have to assume a character is of pure blood. Thus, the Hylian Knights are Hylian and Hylian only unless there's proof otherwise. Same with Zelda, Link, etcetera.




First off, have you even SEEN ANY official artwork depicting the Bumpkin Brothers, other than what you see on the screen? How do you know that they're adults? Those "mustaches" could be their mouths. And besides, I am willing to say that the technology would not allow for fairies flitting about their heads, in either of the versions, not to mention a fairy for Link! And besides, would fairies not arouse suspicion, especcially if no one believed the Kokiri still lived in Hyrule? As for the cutting down of the trees, well that very could well be the way they make tools. And they were not cutting the roots, so the tree might well grow back. And as for them being adults, which they might very well be: could not (I know this sounds crazy, but please bear with me) the magical air of the dark world, seeping through the portals, have changed their appearance? I know that sounds ridiculous, but I still think it is a possibility.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 12:49 PM

MPS, is there really a need to bring out Occam's Razor on this poor fellow?

At any rate, I've been watching, and enjoying greatly, the hilariousness of this thread for a while. I've watched our friend, Picman, being spat on for almost four full pages. His theory, which holds absolutely no water, has been shot down by the first or second response, yet this entertaning charade continues. Before this thread is shut down completely, I beleive I'd like to knock some sense into Picman, here.

By the way, hello there, young n00b. I hope you enjoy your stay here. Make sure you're aware of the rules that you've been breaking in large amounts. Before you get into some (more) trouble. That said, your theory deserves perhaps three minutes of my (precious) time. And so now, I tell you that is does not work; not here, or in any reality.

  • Link wields the Master sword, thus he must be a true Hylian Knight. This is true for ALttP, OoT, TWW, and TP.
  • The Deku Tree Sprout tells us that Link is, and always has been, a Hylian.
  • Kokiri was not "invented" by the time of ALttP, so he could not be a Kokiri unless it was retconned, which it has not been.
  • Nor could he be a Kokiri in LoZ, AoL, LA, or the cartoons, for the same reason as ALttP; Kokiri weren't even a thought, then.
  • Nor could he be a Kokiri in LoZ or AoL because he was not from Hyrule. Thusly, he couldn't be Kokiri in the Cartoons because it is believed that the cartoons follow the same Link and Zelda as LoZ/AoL. (He does have a Fairy, though it is still impossible; Nintendo again chose to "give" link a fairy.)
  • Any Kokiri cannot age, which Link does in OoT. When he goes back in time, he also ages as he normally would: In MM, he is old enough to use a Hero's Bow, due to the fact that he's aged "about a year".
  • All Kokiri's recieve a Fairy at birth, which Link did not; both in OoT, MM, and the upcoming Phantom Hourglass. As said by several others, he "recieves" it.
  • Fairies do not hide under hats, or in pockets, for extensive periods of time. If Nintendo wishes to tell us who is Kokiri and who isn't Kokiri, then they do so deliberately with Faries that are in plain sight.
  • Link was sent back to enjoy the seven lost years of his childhood, not to "continue his eternal youth".
  • Kokiri are plants (the Koroks), and thusly could not impregnate anybody...though I don't think i'll be getting into that one in detail...
Anyway, you have been proven wrong. Please accept this, or else you will be continually tormented. And I will laugh. hahaha.
Good luck with fanfiction and whatnot.


Well I for one, had a blast throughout this thread. It's not everyday you get to chew someone out for dissenting opinion and not feel like a total ass about it. Yeah it's like kicking a puppy but it's a puppy that keeps coming practically back for more. I doubt he's really that stupid though. I think he's just sitting there laughing at us for taking his halfbaked theory seriously. So I'm not to take any of this seriously. Anything to keep me from losing whatever little faith I have in humanity I have left.

In the event that he is serious though, his mom deserves to be slapped for producing such a retarded child.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 03:25 PM

Eesh, this has gone on long enough. Seriously, even if someone's theories are stupid, it's still not acceptable to insult them.
And if they are just trying to rile you up by posting, replying will only encourage them.

Edited by Showsni, 13 September 2007 - 05:07 PM.





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