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[MikePetersSucks]

Well, since you ask, MikePetersSucks, I met this boy at a pagan meeting (ca'nt give out his name, that would be an invasion of privacy, I am confident that he would'nt want that) that shared the very same views I do. And plus, I read a fanfic on Ganon's Tower that, (despite being a fanfic), also agrees with me. Admittedly, that fanfic also says Navi stayed with him, because of him being half Kokiri, which I do'nt agree with, seeing as that even if Link was NOT annoyed with her, THREE fairies definently WOULD do the trick, and secondly, she HAD to make him go to Termina somehow, and she might not have had the time on the adventure. P.S. The writers of the stories are listed near the fanfics.

I'm sorry, but you'll have to do better than fanfictions and some kid you can't even give the name of you met IRL who, as a religious pagan, is biased anyway assuming he even exists.

Cite someone who believes that Link's Kokiri heritage is a CANON fact like you do that I can actually fucking talk to.

He was saying that Link may or may not be full Hylian in ANY of the Zelda games.

Which is entirely different from saying he's part Kokiri.

I view the mangas as alternate realities to the "mainstream reality". And I do'nt agree that my arguments are any less plausible than the mangas. And oh, by the way, I do like the mangas (especially Cagiva Ataru's mangas), but I disagree with some elements in the mangas by "Himekawa Akira" (At least as far as the "mainstream reality" goes). Oh, and just for the record, MM shows us that alternate realities DO exist at least in Zelda, so my (actually I borrowed it from a person from the BS Zelda Homepage) "manga being alternate realities" suddenly has verified canon support. tongue.gif And I know that the Gossip Stones have information pretty much EVERYBODY KNOWS, but that just goes to show that sometimes, at least, Gossip Stones CAN have accurate information. tongue.gif And I do'nt know what you mean by them being "unreliable".

Alternate realities that have no canon basis in the Zelda Multiverse, so it still doesn't matter.

Then you agree with me? And the way I see it he has slightly green skin as well. Of course that may not be what you see in the picture. But I definently get the Kokiri vibe from him.

Are you really so dense as to not be able to understand emoticons? Kokiri don't have green skin anyway, so that's not even a valid point. And "vibes" aren't a reliable source of information.

[Picman]

Well, since you ask, MikePetersSucks, I met this boy at a pagan meeting (ca'nt give out his name, that would be an invasion of privacy, I am confident that he would'nt want that) that shared the very same views I do. And plus, I read a fanfic on Ganon's Tower that, (despite being a fanfic), also agrees with me. Admittedly, that fanfic also says Navi stayed with him, because of him being half Kokiri, which I do'nt agree with, seeing as that even if Link was NOT annoyed with her, THREE fairies definently WOULD do the trick, and secondly, she HAD to make him go to Termina somehow, and she might not have had the time on the adventure. P.S. The writers of the stories are listed near the fanfics.

I'm sorry, but you'll have to do better than fanfictions and some kid you can't even give the name of you met IRL who, as a religious pagan, is biased anyway assuming he even exists.

Cite someone who believes that Link's Kokiri heritage is a CANON fact like you do that I can actually fucking talk to.

He was saying that Link may or may not be full Hylian in ANY of the Zelda games.

Which is entirely different from saying he's part Kokiri.

I view the mangas as alternate realities to the "mainstream reality". And I do'nt agree that my arguments are any less plausible than the mangas. And oh, by the way, I do like the mangas (especially Cagiva Ataru's mangas), but I disagree with some elements in the mangas by "Himekawa Akira" (At least as far as the "mainstream reality" goes). Oh, and just for the record, MM shows us that alternate realities DO exist at least in Zelda, so my (actually I borrowed it from a person from the BS Zelda Homepage) "manga being alternate realities" suddenly has verified canon support. tongue.gif And I know that the Gossip Stones have information pretty much EVERYBODY KNOWS, but that just goes to show that sometimes, at least, Gossip Stones CAN have accurate information. tongue.gif And I do'nt know what you mean by them being "unreliable".

Alternate realities that have no canon basis in the Zelda Multiverse, so it still doesn't matter.

Then you agree with me? And the way I see it he has slightly green skin as well. Of course that may not be what you see in the picture. But I definently get the Kokiri vibe from him.

Are you really so dense as to not be able to understand emoticons? Kokiri don't have green skin anyway, so that's not even a valid point. And "vibes" aren't a reliable source of information.

First off, I do'nt know any personal information on him, except that his name is Drew. And I made myself quite clear when I said "POSSIBLE" instead of "FACT"! I do'nt think you caught that little detail, that I was trying to be reasonable. But Koroks do have green skin, and the reason I think Link does'nt have it is because of his very strong Hylian heritage. And what makes you so sure that vibes are not a reliable source of information?

[Picman]

I don't mean to be rude (I really don't) but is English not your first language, Picman? I don't think you're understanding what CID said. Because I'm going to assume that smiley face means he's being sarcastic/facetious. It's hard to pick up online but the use of smiley faces do help. Which I believe is happening here.

Actually, it is my first language, Delphi.

[CID Farwin]

I have found someone completely immune to sarcasm. (my powers are leaving NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!)

I understand that sarcasm is harder to portray over the internet, which is why I think that there should be some sarcasm tags, but regardless, I thought this would send the right message because it correctly portrays the look on my face.

That guy isn't Kokiri.
Not every person wearing green is Kokiri.

That clear enough?

Edited by CID Farwin, 09 August 2007 - 04:38 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

First off, I do'nt know any personal information on him, except that his name is Drew. And I made myself quite clear when I said "POSSIBLE" instead of "FACT"! I do'nt think you caught that little detail, that I was trying to be reasonable. But Koroks do have green skin, and the reason I think Link does'nt have it is because of his very strong Hylian heritage. And what makes you so sure that vibes are not a reliable source of information?

Alright, fine. Why should I consider that this "Drew" is as reliable as, say, Miyamoto, who made it quite clear that Link is a Hylian?

Oh, it's a POSSIBILITY. Well by that logic it's POSSIBLE that the entire Zelda series is a drugged up hallucination Link is having as a normal ten year old on Earth due to trying Crystal Meth. Of course, no one here who isn't an idiot would consider the idea seriously as anything more than fanfiction.

Koroks have green skin. Okay. Kokiri don't. Okay. Also, some Korok are BROWN, racist.

"Vibes" are not reliable sources of information. They're basically hunches, so they're basically Guesses with a mystic-sounding label.

Actually, it is my first language, Delphi.

All doubts in my mind about your intelligence have been washed away.

[Fyxe]

except that his name is Drew.

You what? Where did this come from?

[Picman]

First off, I do'nt know any personal information on him, except that his name is Drew. And I made myself quite clear when I said "POSSIBLE" instead of "FACT"! I do'nt think you caught that little detail, that I was trying to be reasonable. But Koroks do have green skin, and the reason I think Link does'nt have it is because of his very strong Hylian heritage. And what makes you so sure that vibes are not a reliable source of information?

Alright, fine. Why should I consider that this "Drew" is as reliable as, say, Miyamoto, who made it quite clear that Link is a Hylian?

Oh, it's a POSSIBILITY. Well by that logic it's POSSIBLE that the entire Zelda series is a drugged up hallucination Link is having as a normal ten year old on Earth due to trying Crystal Meth. Of course, no one here who isn't an idiot would consider the idea seriously as anything more than fanfiction.

Koroks have green skin. Okay. Kokiri don't. Okay. Also, some Korok are BROWN, racist.

"Vibes" are not reliable sources of information. They're basically hunches, so they're basically Guesses with a mystic-sounding label.

Actually, it is my first language, Delphi.

All doubts in my mind about your intelligence have been washed away.

First off, Miyamoto generally does not have much to do with the storyline (ca'nt remember who does, but I know Miyamoto generally avoids it). Where and when did Miyamoto state that Link was a Hylian, IN PERSON (And just for the record, I do'nt deny that he is a Hylian, I just deny he is FULL Hylian, something the creators never actually confirmed or denied). But you were definently right about one thing on this post that I'm quoting: I was mistaken about the green skinned Kokiri thing. Some DO have brown skin. And, NO, I am NOT a racist: I simply was mistaken about their "skin" color.

[MikePetersSucks]

First off, Miyamoto generally does not have much to do with the storyline (ca'nt remember who does, but I know Miyamoto generally avoids it).

He's STILL more reliable than this "Drew" asshole.

Where and when did Miyamoto state that Link was a Hylian, IN PERSON (And just for the record, I do'nt deny that he is a Hylian, I just deny he is FULL Hylian, something the creators never actually confirmed or denied).

The series continually expresses the idea that Link is one of the few pure Hylians, like Zelda. That doesn't work if he's part Kokiri (which doesn't work, since he was already born before his mother gave him to them.)

And, NO, I am NOT a racist: I simply was mistaken about their "skin" color.

That's how it always begins, doesn't it?

[LionHarted]

Since when has any game ever stressed that anybody was "pure Hylian", much less Hylian at all (outside OoT)?

Edited by LionHarted, 10 August 2007 - 03:03 PM.

[Fizzbit]

As far as I know, none of the Zelda games have ever treaded upon Hybrids. Every Zora we meet is a pure Zora, every Goron a pure Goron, every Kokiri a pure Kokiri, every Sheikah a pure Sheikah, every Gerudo a pure Gerudo, and every Hylian a pure Hylian.

Usually something as unusual as a hybrid would DEFINITELY be noted in the game, or by makers.

[Showsni]

As far as I know, none of the Zelda games have ever treaded upon Hybrids. Every Zora we meet is a pure Zora, every Goron a pure Goron, every Kokiri a pure Kokiri, every Sheikah a pure Sheikah, every Gerudo a pure Gerudo, and every Hylian a pure Hylian.

Usually something as unusual as a hybrid would DEFINITELY be noted in the game, or by makers.

Zora, Goron, Kokiri, Sheikah and Gerudo, maybe, but not Hylian.

They say the Hylia people controlled mysterious powers, as did the seven wise men. But the blood of the Hylia has become thin over time.We who carry the blood of the seven wise men do not possess strong power any more, either.

[LionHarted]

ALttP mentions the blood of the Hylians thinning; TWW features the evolution of the races over time.

Connection?

Edited by LionHarted, 10 August 2007 - 04:30 PM.

[Kairu Hakubi]

Wow.. this is, like, becoming the worst thread ever.. XD
Hylians are hardly a species, they're a race of a species. Sheikah are almost certainly another race of the same species, Round-eared humans obviously are the same species, though probably not constituting a distinct race, and the gerudo might be a race of this species as well.
Korogs are Kokiri. How much this says about Kokiri is up for debate, but visually they have zero in common, so it's kinda silly to even guess as to whether one is really the other inside.. and Kokiri are obviously visually identical to hylians anyway, so there could never be any kind of evidence other than dialogue that Link could be one or the other.

[Picman]

First off, Miyamoto generally does not have much to do with the storyline (ca'nt remember who does, but I know Miyamoto generally avoids it).

He's STILL more reliable than this "Drew" asshole.

Where and when did Miyamoto state that Link was a Hylian, IN PERSON (And just for the record, I do'nt deny that he is a Hylian, I just deny he is FULL Hylian, something the creators never actually confirmed or denied).

The series continually expresses the idea that Link is one of the few pure Hylians, like Zelda. That doesn't work if he's part Kokiri (which doesn't work, since he was already born before his mother gave him to them.)

And, NO, I am NOT a racist: I simply was mistaken about their "skin" color.

That's how it always begins, doesn't it?

Well, to that first comment, I am not sure Miyamoto would exactly agree with you, because he never said "he is full Hylian" IN PERSON! And I do'nt know what makes you think someone is a "you-know-what" simply based on the theories they believe in, that would be PREJUDICE, would'nt it! And besides, I am pretty sure that the series NEVER, IN ANY OF THE GAMES, says "Link is full Hylian", just that he has VERY strong Hylian blood! And the Deku Tree could have sent out a Kokiri to impregnate Link's mother obviously BEFORE he was born, and that might be the Kokiri that the gossip stone mentions (hey, I know you do'nt trust it, but it DOES possibly telepathically tell you the time, and besides, what other magic besides telepathy would cause it to tell you things, when it could NOT before? In my opinion, it HAS to be telepathy). And I was NOT saying that the Koroks were superior OR inferior to the Kokiri, just stating what some of them look like.

[Selena]

Sent a Kokiri to impregnate....




You're saying that Link's mother is a pedophile? And I thought my LA family was screwed up. :S

[Fyxe]

You must be wondering why only
you have grown up!
Well, as you might have already
guessed, you are not a Kokiri!
You are actually a Hylian!
I am happy to finally reveal this
secret to you!

End discussion.

[CID Farwin]

Funny how this argument turns ambiguous as soon as I completely refute your main evidence.

You must be wondering why only
you have grown up!
Well, as you might have already
guessed, you are not a Kokiri!
You are actually a Hylian!
I am happy to finally reveal this
secret to you!

End discussion.

THANK YOU FYXE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why did nobody post this 7 days ago!?

Edited by CID Farwin, 11 August 2007 - 11:13 PM.

[Delphi]

While I believe that the quote above ends this little bit of insanity I have to ask:

Do you even listen to yourself Picman?

[MikePetersSucks]

Well, to that first comment, I am not sure Miyamoto would exactly agree with you, because he never said "he is full Hylian" IN PERSON!

He doesn't need to, the games say it.

And I do'nt know what makes you think someone is a "you-know-what" simply based on the theories they believe in, that would be PREJUDICE, would'nt it!

My god, you have no fucking sense of humor at all, do you?

I am pretty sure that the series NEVER, IN ANY OF THE GAMES, says "Link is full Hylian", just that he has VERY strong Hylian blood!

And it never says he's a Kokiri, so by your logic, why should we believe he is even in part?

And the Deku Tree could have sent out a Kokiri to impregnate Link's mother obviously BEFORE he was born

....Are you condoning pedophilia? You're a freak.

End discussion.

The only way I can properly thank you for that quote is by giving you a piece of my body. Would my heart suffice, or would you like something else?

Do you even listen to yourself Picman?

Of course he doesn't. He compares the Emperor of Japan to Jesus.

[Picman]

I still believe my theory, or at least that he was destined to GAIN eternal youth after getting sent back in time! And besides, the Deku Tree Sprout might have just have not told him BECAUSE he was grown-up. But he would tell him after him being sent back in time, because Link would have more wisdom than when he was grown-up. The reason he grew up is because he had Hylian heritage, and was'nt that door called the "door of time"? That could easily be a metaphor. And Zelda/Sheik mentioned something in front of the Spirit Temple that the Master Sword was something like "the boat that one may travel up and down the river of time". Then the Master Sword could be a key to Link growing older. Oh and by the way, in at least two of the Beta versions of OOT, Link WAS a Kokiri! And "virgin birth" stories were/are common among world mythologies and religions, so why not in Zelda? I think for the sake of negotiation we'll say that he was destined to GAIN eternal youth upon being sent back in time. Although, I STILL think my hybrid theory is true in one reality or another. Oh and by the way, what version of Zelda: OOT was that? Oh and that guy could STILL be a Kokiri, even IF there is no proof: that still does not rule out the possibility.

Edited by Picman, 12 August 2007 - 05:01 PM.

[Picman]

As far as I know, none of the Zelda games have ever treaded upon Hybrids. Every Zora we meet is a pure Zora, every Goron a pure Goron, every Kokiri a pure Kokiri, every Sheikah a pure Sheikah, every Gerudo a pure Gerudo, and every Hylian a pure Hylian.

Usually something as unusual as a hybrid would DEFINITELY be noted in the game, or by makers.

Zora, Goron, Kokiri, Sheikah and Gerudo, maybe, but not Hylian.

They say the Hylia people controlled mysterious powers, as did the seven wise men. But the blood of the Hylia has become thin over time.We who carry the blood of the seven wise men do not possess strong power any more, either.

That was the maiden imprisoned in the Ice Palace. If the Deku Tree Sprout told him he was half Kokiri, then he would have to tell him how he would be sent back in time, and that would reveal who Sheik was and he just could'nt tell him that, seeing that if Zelda were found out, then that would be on the Deku Tree Sprout's well... branches. Besides, those events ARE linked, because if it was revealed to Ganondorf, then Zelda would be in BIG TROUBLE, seeing that Link would NOT be able to rescue her that early in the game, seeing as how he had neither the neccessary meddallions OR equipment, assuming that a spy of Ganondorf's found out. And that the Deku Tree Sprout could not afford to risk it that early.

[Selena]

Please stop double posting.

[MikePetersSucks]

I still believe my theory, or at least that he was destined to GAIN eternal youth after getting sent back in time!

Believe whatever you want, you're still wrong.

And besides, the Deku Tree Sprout might have just have not told him BECAUSE he was grown-up. But he would tell him after him being sent back in time, because Link would have more wisdom than when he was grown-up. The reason he grew up is because he had Hylian heritage, and was'nt that door called the "door of time"? That could easily be a metaphor.

Now you're just ignoring in-game facts. If the Deku Tree says he's not a Kokiri, he's not a goddamned Kokiri. When you start ignoring trustworthy figures like the Deku Tree, then why bother theorizing about the storyline at all?

And Zelda/Sheik mentioned something in front of the Spirit Temple that the Master Sword was something like "the boat that one may travel up and down the river of time". Then the Master Sword could be a key to Link growing older.

It's the key to time travel. Kokiri don't age, ever.

Oh and by the way, in at least two of the Beta versions of OOT, Link WAS a Kokiri!

Proof?

And "virgin birth" stories were/are common among world mythologies and religions, so why not in Zelda?

What does a Virgin Birth have to do with our topic?

I think for the sake of negotiation we'll say that he was destined to GAIN eternal youth upon being sent back in time.

No, screw you. I'm not negotiating when the facts are facts. You accept what we all know to be true or you can go to hell with your wrong theories.

Although, I STILL think my hybrid theory is true in one reality or another.

It's not, so suck off.

Oh and by the way, what version of Zelda: OOT was that?

What would it matter? It's not like there's multiple versions with different canon info or anything.

Oh and that guy could STILL be a Kokiri, even IF there is no proof: that still does not rule out the possibility.

He's an adult, so he's not a Kokiri. It's impossible.

[SOAP]

Although, I STILL think my hybrid theory is true in one reality or another.

Well in this reality it isn't. You can believe in whatever reality that exists solely in your own mind but here in this reality, you're wrong. The evidence proves you're wrong. No one even remotely agrees with you. You can ignore the evidence and believe whatever grand delusions you make for yourself all you like but for the love of God, stop pushing your theory on us!

[Delphi]

The door was called the Door of Time. Not the Door of F***ed Up Hybridization.

I find your virgin birth in the beta version to be a little far fetched. And this is coming from a good Christian girl.

[SOAP]

The door was called the Door of Time. Not the Door of F***ed Up Hybridization.

I find your virgin birth in the beta version to be a little far fetched. And this is coming from a good Christian girl.

OMG! This is a bit pervy but that last sentence gave me heterosexual thoughts for some reason...

[MikePetersSucks]

T.M.I., Soap.

[Fizzbit]

He was sent back in time again so that he would be able to age properly and enjoy the rest of his childhood and proper transition into adulthood. The Deku Tree didn't do that. Zelda did.

[Delphi]

I'm just that good.

[Nevermind]

My god....this is like Fanon.....X-TREEEEME! Where the hell is any of this coming from, that's what I wanna know o_o