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#1 Picman

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 09:28 PM

I think Link is actually part Kokiri, due to a few facts, including: (I think this aplies to the Jap. version as well) the Deku Tree Sprout said that Link (to quote from the American version, at least) "was always meant to leave the forest" even though the Kokiri CAN leave the forest anyways. :link: :fairybig: That seems to imply that Link's mother might have been impregnated by one of the Deku Tree's seeds.

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 09:36 PM

I don't know what stupider. This ridiculous thread, the fact that it's labeled as a spoiler, or you for posting this.

Edited by SOAP, 05 August 2007 - 02:44 AM.


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Posted 04 August 2007 - 09:50 PM

To be blunt, Kokiri being forever childlike (and obviously never going through puberty) kind of rules out the option of reproducing sexually. And last I checked, trees and humanoids weren't compatible genetically. ;) So unless the Deku tree has more secrets than a huge dungeon hidden in it and trees and Hylians have the same number of chromosomes then I guess that makes the theory bunk. ;)

Doesn't mean you should stop posing theories, just know that this place and contro is like a den of lions. Wear armour and be cautious.

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 09:53 PM

Quick! Somebody lock this thread before Fyxe sees this!

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 11:01 PM

Quick! Somebody lock this thread before Fyxe sees this!



Dude, Fyxe is gonna have a freakin' hay-day with this one.



I can't wait to see it.

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 11:13 PM

That seems to imply that Link's mother might have been impregnated by one of the Deku Tree's seeds.




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I hope to god some of you know what that's from.

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 11:15 PM

That seems to imply that Link's mother might have been impregnated by one of the Deku Tree's seeds.




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I hope to god some of you know what that's from.


OMG! The Last Unicorn! LOL, that was a ridiculous scene...

#8 MikePetersSucks

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 02:14 AM

.....*twitch*

This hurt my brain.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 06:25 AM

I dunno why you guys are making a fuss about me posting here, I was actually going to make a comment about the amusing parallel to Christianity and how ironic it is that people readily accept the 'virgin birth' as real-life fact yet they think a magical tree impregnating a woman in a fantasy game is just CRAZY.

But that would bend the thin reality stopping Storyline from bleeding into Contro and creating some kind of unholy offspring. So I wasn't actually going to post here at all.

But oh dang, I did.

Just to clarify, yes, this is a stupid theory, but I don't pick on easy targets. It's like kicking a puppy.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 06:56 AM

The Kokiri forever appearing as children says nothing about their reproductive abilities.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 07:17 AM

Yes but the fact that TWW reveals that their true form is plants does.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 07:19 AM

Yes but the fact that TWW reveals that their true form is plants does.


It didn't reveal their "true form" was anything.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 08:42 AM

I dunno why you guys are making a fuss about me posting here, I was actually going to make a comment about the amusing parallel to Christianity and how ironic it is that people readily accept the 'virgin birth' as real-life fact yet they think a magical tree impregnating a woman in a fantasy game is just CRAZY.

But that would bend the thin reality stopping Storyline from bleeding into Contro and creating some kind of unholy offspring. So I wasn't actually going to post here at all.

But oh dang, I did.

Just to clarify, yes, this is a stupid theory, but I don't pick on easy targets. It's like kicking a puppy.


Aw, way to guilt trip me. But you have to admit, you do have a reputation for having a low-tolerance for BS. It's the bed you made for yourself.

EdiT;

Yes but the fact that TWW reveals that their true form is plants does.


It didn't reveal their "true form" was anything.


Kokiri=Koroks

Koroks=Walking, talking, flying plant creatures. They actually remind me a bit of Deku Scrubs. Which leads me to believe they may be related. Deku Scrubs. Deku Tree....

Edited by SOAP, 05 August 2007 - 08:45 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2007 - 08:50 AM

Koroks once took human forms, but took the Korok forms when they went to live on the sea. (rough paraphrase)

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 09:24 AM

Once took the for of human children.

Also, they talk about once living in tree-shaped houses. We actually see these houses in Forbidden Woods. They're very simmilar to the houses the Kokiri lived in in OoT.

Hence, Kokiri=Koroks.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 09:28 AM

Once took the for of human children.


Just because they look like children doesn't mean that they can't develop the ability to reproduce.

Hence, Kokiri=Koroks.


More like

Koroks = form Kokiri took after they came to live on the sea (according to the Deku Tree).

Edited by LionHarted, 05 August 2007 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2007 - 12:05 PM

The fact that the Kokiri are plants by nature, and all refer to the Deku Tree as a sort of father figure they literally can't live without makes it obvious, in my opinion, that he gave birth to them all.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 01:02 PM

Or that he's a god.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 01:02 PM

Hence, Kokiri=Koroks.


I agree with you there, but what makes you certain that the Koroks are the "true form" and not the Kokiri?

We know two things about the Kokiri:

1) They ostensibly die if they leave the forest

2) They worship the Deku Tree as a protector god/father figure

Furthermore, the Deku Tree is known to have some pretty powerful magic.

There's a lot of possibilities surrounding them.

Maybe the Kokiri are simply sprites that take whatever form the Deku Tree wants them too. Beings of magic that exist to serve the Deku Tree. In this scenario, they don't necessarily have a true form. He could have made them look human soley to relate to the foundling Link, and changed them to the plant form of Wind Waker for some arcane reason.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 01:42 PM

But you have to admit, you do have a reputation for having a low-tolerance for BS. It's the bed you made for yourself.

Be fair, does anyone here have a high tolerance for BS? Your first reply to this topic just blatantly called the creator stupid. I don't see why I should be labelled as more aggressively bitchy than other people around here. o.o

The difference, as far as I can tell, is I just post more. o.o

Meh, I'm not taking it personally, just sayin' that I'm not always gonna do what everyone seems to expect me to do. I have multiple layers to my personality, my friends!

#21 Kairu Hakubi

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 02:39 PM

I think Kokiri might grow up just barely enough to reproduce sexually, but it's more likely the deku tree keeps making new ones.. or that they reproduce via spores and pollens.. XD .. or that they're immortal and the deku tree -doesnt- keep making new ones.
Could the ol' Tree have had a hand in Link's creation? .. I don't see why bloody not. He's practically a god himself... but it wouldn't be 'one of his seeds.' seeds are eggs, it'd be some of his -pollen- wafting up some poor lady's skirt. Still, he's Link's daddy whether DNA has anything to do with it or not.. cuz he raised him ;x

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 04:39 PM

Seeing as the Deku Tree is their father, I don't think they produce sexually at all. If they're sprites they're just created, not born, and probably live a semi-immortal life until they eventually fade out of existence and the Deku Tree thinks up new ones.

Edited by SOAP, 05 August 2007 - 04:40 PM.


#23 Hero of Legend

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 04:44 PM

1) They ostensibly die if they leave the forest

That was kinda proven false by the ending, though...

And the Kokiri are forest spirits. They aren't born, nor do they die. They just "disappear" IRRC (Stated in an interview, I think).

As for the original post, what kind of retarded logic is that? Link is a Kokiri because they can leave the forest and Link did? Oh boy...

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 07:01 PM

Now now. Be nice to the new poster.

We have a thread on Kokiri biology now, to match the Goron one? Great...

I think they're kind of like forest spirits. The Deku Tree is their metaphorical "father," as he cares for the whole forest.


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Posted 06 August 2007 - 01:29 AM

But! But! I like it when Fyxe is sarcastic to to silly theories! It's funny!

And jeeze, do you have to disagree with everything SOAP says Lionheart?

Back on topic, it's more likely that Link's mother took refuge in the forest during the war and died there. I know the manga isn't considered canon but I personally like the story it tells about how Link came to the forest.

On the subject of Kokiri reproduction, I think childlike implies innocence which means no doing the nasty and making babies. The Deku tree is probably the creator of all of them in one way or another. Or maybe Farore created them and those Kokiri have been alive since the the Goddesses departed.

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 05:48 AM

But! But! I like it when Fyxe is sarcastic to to silly theories! It's funny!

I didn't realise so many people were waiting on the show. XP

I'll make up for it next time, I promise.

I should charge tickets.

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 06:08 AM

The Deku Tree did not impregnate Link's mother!

The Kokiri and Koroks are one and the same!

And who gives a dang about whether the Kokiri/Koroks can sexually reproduce!!!

'nuff said

#28 LionHarted

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 09:01 AM

And jeeze, do you have to disagree with everything SOAP says Lionheart


I'm essentially regurgitating in-game quotations. I'm not disagreeing; merely stating facts.

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 02:42 PM

I think the big question here is: why is this in storyline?

#30 Picman

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 03:09 PM

I dunno why you guys are making a fuss about me posting here, I was actually going to make a comment about the amusing parallel to Christianity and how ironic it is that people readily accept the 'virgin birth' as real-life fact yet they think a magical tree impregnating a woman in a fantasy game is just CRAZY.

But that would bend the thin reality stopping Storyline from bleeding into Contro and creating some kind of unholy offspring. So I wasn't actually going to post here at all.

But oh dang, I did.

Just to clarify, yes, this is a stupid theory, but I don't pick on easy targets. It's like kicking a puppy.

First off, the "virgin birth" idea was RIPPED OFF from the pagans. All native cultures have it, as do more advanced cultures, not just the Christians! And, NO, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN!!!! I'm pagan!!!! And I still believe what I said before: that Link is actually part Kokiri. Even though he grew up, he still DOES have Hylian heritage, and besides this IS a FANTASY world we're dealing with, and NOT a mundane reality. And, no, I did not suggest that just because the Kokiri leave the forest, and Link left the forest means that Link has to be part Kokiri. what I meant by that was that the Deku Tree goofed up by saying "and were always meant to leave this forest" even though the Kokiri already CAN leave ANYWAYS, so WHY is he saying that?!?! I think that he is hinting at an alternative heritage for Link. :P




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