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#151 LionHarted

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 10:32 AM

Zelda doesn't use the mirror at all.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 11:27 AM

Nowhere does it say that Link is the only one who can use it, but that he is the only one the maidens can trust.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 11:32 AM

It doesn't say Link is the only one who can use it in ALttP, either.

He's just the only one who can "master" it.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 02:53 PM

1) ALttP doesn't say anything about "chosen ones".
2) OoT says that someone with an unbalanced heart will cause the Triforce to split, and that reuniting the three parts will allow someone to make the wish without it splitting.
3) The King wished for his own death.


1. Yes, the manual does. As does the opening of one of the BS Zelda's, which is derived from the manual. Here it is: "The ruler of power. The governor of wisdom. The forger of courage. The Triforce carries these three crests and until the appropriate person comes, it sleeps unknown in the holy land". The manual goes into it even more than that but that's something, and it goes well with OoT and TP.
2. Yep, but the Triforce pieces go to it's chosen bearers once split. Why do you think it went to those three people?
3. No, no he didn't. He just wishes for Hyrule to be washed away.

1) Oh? Then how did OoT Ganon escape? I don't remember him sending sages to the Dark World.
2) The Sacred Realm was a real world before it was transformed into the Dark World.

1. That's just common sene, though. If he escaped he broke the seal in some way, and it may be that one. That can be considered how because we know that's how it's done. But the mirror is pure fanfiction because only the hero can master it and there was never anything said about the MAgic Mirror ever being in the dark world.
2. Not really, no. It wasn't at all like the Dark World, see the visual in the manual as well as what is said in the manual.

It was. He was stuck in the Dark World. Only his alter-ego, Agahnim, could cross over. He wanted to conquer the world, which he can't easily do if he can't leave the Dark World with all his power.


Yeah, exactly. What's your point? It's the same deal with OoT Ganon.

It's a plothole. Everything we throw out is baseless.

So it's a plothole because it doesn't agree with your baseless theory? Show me a quote that says "You know, Link, anyone can use the Magic Mirror. It used to be in the Dark World, actually, and could hypothetically have been used by another Ganon if there had been another one." See, there isn;t a quote like that and thus the possiblity becomes lessened. We have to use things that have already been introduced in debates and that's not one of them.

It doesn't say Link is the only one who can use it in ALttP, either.

He's just the only one who can "master" it.


That's what it means. Again, you're just trying to discredit this quote because you disagree with it but it says plain as day that only Link can master it's power, which is traveling between the worlds. On the other hand, there are no quotes which help your theory, just baseless speculation.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 03:47 PM

1. Yes, the manual does. As does the opening of one of the BS Zelda's, which is derived from the manual. Here it is: "The ruler of power. The governor of wisdom. The forger of courage. The Triforce carries these three crests and until the appropriate person comes, it sleeps unknown in the holy land". The manual goes into it even more than that but that's something, and it goes well with OoT and TP.

The "ruler", "governor", and "forger" refer to the pieces, if I'm not mistaken. And the manual says "someone worthy of inheriting those powers"; nothing about a chosen one.

2. Yep, but the Triforce pieces go to it's chosen bearers once split. Why do you think it went to those three people?

Why would it split in the ending?

3. No, no he didn't. He just wishes for Hyrule to be washed away.

"May our destinies be fulfilled. May you drown with Hyrule."

*he then drowns*


1. That's just common sene, though. If he escaped he broke the seal in some way, and it may be that one. That can be considered how because we know that's how it's done. But the mirror is pure fanfiction because only the hero can master it and there was never anything said about the MAgic Mirror ever being in the dark world.

Only the hero can "master" it.

And a mirror made to take people out of the Dark World was never in the Dark World?

2. Not really, no. It wasn't at all like the Dark World, see the visual in the manual as well as what is said in the manual.

It was a real world.

Yeah, exactly. What's your point? It's the same deal with OoT Ganon.

You don't know what the deal is with OoT Ganon, because his means of escape are unknown.

So it's a plothole because it doesn't agree with your baseless theory?


See above.

That's what it means. Again, you're just trying to discredit this quote because you disagree with it but it says plain as day that only Link can master it's power, which is traveling between the worlds. On the other hand, there are no quotes which help your theory, just baseless speculation.


Yes. Link does master the power. He uses the world-warping powers to kick ass and take names. Someone using it to a lesser extent need not necessarily master its power.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 05:56 PM

1. Yes, the manual does. As does the opening of one of the BS Zelda's, which is derived from the manual. Here it is: "The ruler of power. The governor of wisdom. The forger of courage. The Triforce carries these three crests and until the appropriate person comes, it sleeps unknown in the holy land". The manual goes into it even more than that but that's something, and it goes well with OoT and TP.

The "ruler", "governor", and "forger" refer to the pieces, if I'm not mistaken. And the manual says "someone worthy of inheriting those powers"; nothing about a chosen one.


I don't think that's true, actually. The manual appears to make it even more clear that those are the titles given to those chosen by each piece. I believe it was said explicitly.

2. Yep, but the Triforce pieces go to it's chosen bearers once split. Why do you think it went to those three people?

Why would it split in the ending?

It may not, but it might. My point is that you're saying that the Triforce definetly ends up whole in the SR and that isn't necessarily true.

3. No, no he didn't. He just wishes for Hyrule to be washed away.

"May our destinies be fulfilled. May you drown with Hyrule."


I don't think that was his wish, he was speaking to Ganondorf.

And a mirror made to take people out of the Dark World was never in the Dark World?

Not for an extended period of time. We are never told it was, and it's given to you by an old man.

It was a real world.


But it was like a void.

You don't know what the deal is with OoT Ganon, because his means of escape are unknown.

Yep, but all my point is is that we've never been given any indication that the Magic Mirror was part of it or even known of by Ganondorf and thus using that as an explanation is fanfiction.

Yes. Link does master the power. He uses the world-warping powers to kick ass and take names. Someone using it to a lesser extent need not necessarily master its power.


I think you're taking "master" too literally.

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 01:12 PM

The King was already dead when TWW began; hence his sudden appearance to make the wish in Ganondorf's stead, and subsequent vanishing as Zelda woke up and reappearing after the fight was over.

And he definitely didn't wish for his death by saying "Ganondorf, may you drown with Hyrule." He was saying that he and Ganon, both relics from a by gone era, needed to fade away.

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 02:04 PM

And the Triforce had already shone when he said that, so it seems likely that this wasn't part of the wish.

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 03:33 PM

After making his wish, the King of Hyrule was given the option of returning to the surface by Zelda. His wish was not to kill himself, but it was the choice he made when he wished Hyrule to be destroyed.




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