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#91 Paviel

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 06:09 PM

I think I just discovered something. I was looking at the maps for ALttP and OoT and it occured to me: One of the maps is distorted! it's impossible to tell which one, because both use their world maps for their in-game maps. When you take this into consideration, there's absolutely no "oddities;" Hyrule castle is in the same place! Look at the maps; in both of them Hyrule castle is directly "south" of spectacle rock/death mountain. (assuming of course the arrow on the OoT map points to ALttP's north)



Actually, Hyrule Castle is quite a bit closer to Lake Hylia in aLttP than in OoT.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 10:07 PM

Well, it has been suggested that Hyrule Castle of ALTTP is in the same place that Lon Lon Ranch is during the Ocarina time.

I just noticed--if you turn the map at a forty-five degree angle, it's been noted that most everything matches up except the Lost Woods. I noticed that the northern most extremity in the ALTTP 45 degree angle map is the Lost woods of that game, whereas in Ocarina of Time, it's Hyrule Castle--where we know the Master Sword is located in The Wind Waker.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 11:30 PM

Well, it has been suggested that Hyrule Castle of ALTTP is in the same place that Lon Lon Ranch is during the Ocarina time.

I just noticed--if you turn the map at a forty-five degree angle, it's been noted that most everything matches up except the Lost Woods. I noticed that the northern most extremity in the ALTTP 45 degree angle map is the Lost woods of that game, whereas in Ocarina of Time, it's Hyrule Castle--where we know the Master Sword is located in The Wind Waker.


That is actually coming together with something else I've been thinking of lately, regarding the Master Sword and it's location in ALttP...

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 09:25 AM

Note than in the OoT map, we see woods around the Hyrule Castle Town. I think in the Adult Timeline the Master Sword is moved from the Lost Woods to the Castle, maybe in TP, as we have seen that

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the Master Sword is in a Temple (maybe the Temple of Time), surroanded by woods (Lost Woods?)


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Posted 09 November 2006 - 09:37 AM

Well, it has been suggested that Hyrule Castle of ALTTP is in the same place that Lon Lon Ranch is during the Ocarina time.

I just noticed--if you turn the map at a forty-five degree angle, it's been noted that most everything matches up except the Lost Woods. I noticed that the northern most extremity in the ALTTP 45 degree angle map is the Lost woods of that game, whereas in Ocarina of Time, it's Hyrule Castle--where we know the Master Sword is located in The Wind Waker.


I dunno... Hyrule Castle in OoT built against a hillside and only partially surrounded by a small manmade moat. It was also completely obliterated in the Adult Ending. The one in TWW is the middle of a gigantic lake in the middle of an even bigger valley. I don't think they are the same castles. If anything it's the ALttP Castle.

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 04:13 PM

I dunno... Hyrule Castle in OoT built against a hillside and only partially surrounded by a small manmade moat. It was also completely obliterated in the Adult Ending. The one in TWW is the middle of a gigantic lake in the middle of an even bigger valley. I don't think they are the same castles. If anything it's the ALttP Castle.


Hm, this is possible, but as you said, the entire area was obliterated in the [alternate?] future. It's possible that the lava pool was filled up by the lake you mentioned in TWW.

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 07:40 PM

Heh, Heh, right. When I posted my last post I was looking at Hyrule castle moving to where Lon lon Ranch is, it just didn't really register in my head. Really though, if you take into account the distortions, the two maps are exactly the same. Hyrule castle town Market is even in the same place as ALttP's Kakariko.

No, regardless of what timeline you believe in, the Sacred Realm/Dark World is another, spiritual universe, while the sunken Hyrule is just some Atlantis-style lost kingdom under the sea. They're nothing alike.

Sorry, still not making sense, but I'm pretty sure I see your point. Don't worry about it.

Furthermore, Davogones doesn't know everything, and that article is almost a decade obsolete.

1.I didn't say that he did. It's just one of the best explanations I've seen, and was a major part of my single timeline theory, is a major part of what's left of it.
2. a decade old doesn't mean obsolete. If TP comes and totaly anaihalates it, then it will be obsolete. Single timeliners should also really accept it; it backs it.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 06:04 PM

But...it WAS termed obsolete. By TWW and LTTP both.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 03:39 PM

But...it WAS termed obsolete. By TWW and LTTP both.

Granted, TWW put a MAJOR dent in this theory, but I don't see how ALttP disproves it.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 09:53 PM

Well, I mean TWW and LTTP together. Literally "TWW and LTTP both."

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 10:48 AM

Map Legend:
A = Hyrule Castle, original location
B = Death Mountain, western peak
C = Graveyard
D = Zora's Fountain
E = Forest Temple/Eastern Forest (approximate)
F = Lake Hylia, original location
G = Hyrule Town, original location
H = South Hyrule/Swamp (approximate)
I = Desert
J = Zora's River, northeast

Below is the OoT world map. Here we see most of the locales in their original location. Note that, in the gameplay map, OoT's Desert Colossus is actually situated to the south, a good ways west of Lake Hylia, so its position on this map is only approximate, probably since the deserts do not have an actual gameplay map.

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Below is the TWW Great Sea chart. Most of the locales are covered in ocean, but we can still make out the relative locations of Death Mountain (Dragon Roost), the forest (Forest Haven), what could be either the Desert Colossus or the Water Temple (Headstone Island), and the location of Hyrule Castle (under the Tower of the Gods).

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Below is the highly inaccurate gameplay map of TMC. I say it's inaccurate since it depicts Cloud Tops as being slightly east of Veil Falls, when actually it should be directly above it.

When describing the Mount Crenel/Veil Falls problem, I find it helpful to look at it from this perspective: Mount Crenel is actually Death Mountain's western peak, and Veil Falls is the Eastern peak, or, perhaps more accurately, Zora's Fountain. Note that this actually winds up placing--on a geographical map and not just one contrived from gameplay areas (obviously as you climb a mountain peak you aren't traveling drastically northward as you do so, and obviously what you see in gameplay doesn't constitute the whole of Hyrule)--the graveyard slightly south and east of Mount Crenel itself, and north of Hyrule Castle: approximately where the graveyard is in ALttP.

Also, bear in mind that the graveyard forests literally ARE part of what will become in ALttP the Lost Woods, and actually have the whole "you must follow the directions to make it through" concept attached to them. The forests may have continued westward, or may (from a singular standpoint, do) spread westward as history progresses.

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In FSA we see much more of the world map, including the western chunk of the country, including the desert and the northern Lost Woods (the western half of the forest we see south of the Graveyard in TMC).

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The only real difference between the ALttP map and the FSA map is that Kakariko Village takes up more area, and Lake Hylia also seems to have flooded the area around the old Kokiri/Minish forest. Other than that, it's fairly similar. We also see more of the Swamp ruins from TMC in ALttP than in FSA.

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I find it more likely that the Gerudo fortress is Forsaken Fortress- Tetra says pirates used to live there, and they competed with Tetra's gang. Also, the fortress is to the north on the gameplay map. So, er, yeah.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 12:36 PM

The funny thing is--TP renders all geography discussion obsolete by its sheer scale.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 12:44 PM

Maybe not. We should wait until we play.

TWW was huge, but yet, manyy landmarks fit with OoT.

Edited by Arturo, 17 November 2006 - 12:44 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2006 - 12:54 PM

Maybe not. We should wait until we play.

TWW was huge, but yet, manyy landmarks fit with OoT.


That was because the landmarks were designed around the map of OoT- the size has nothing to do with it, as we can assume that the size of Hyrule itself is meant to be the same.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 01:06 PM

And who says the TP map wasn't made to fit the OoT one? We'll know when we play

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 01:08 PM

And who says the TP map wasn't made to fit the OoT one? We'll know when we play


I didn't say that it wasn't.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:18 PM

I didn't say that it wasn't.


Though reversing the mirroring effect will probably give us a clearer picture of how it fits with OOT.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 03:12 PM

Though reversing the mirroring effect will probably give us a clearer picture of how it fits with OOT.


Well, maybe, although the mirroring may actually make it similar to the ALttP map.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 03:25 PM

The Fardon Forest area already looks like OoT Lost Woods. I suspect it will some simmilarity to the ooT map, yet expand on it, showing areas of Hyrule not shown in most games, possibly like in AoL. Hopefully like AoL. I've been waiting for a 3D version of taht map for the longest.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 08:05 PM

Well, I mean TWW and LTTP together. Literally "TWW and LTTP both."

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 03:56 PM

The Fardon Forest area already looks like OoT Lost Woods. I suspect it will some simmilarity to the ooT map, yet expand on it, showing areas of Hyrule not shown in most games, possibly like in AoL. Hopefully like AoL. I've been waiting for a 3D version of taht map for the longest.


If I remember correctly Miyamoto or Aunoma stated that one grid on TWW equals that landsize of OoT, so perhaps the Great Sea and the islands are the outer parts of Hyrule in OoT.

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 07:11 PM

Equal to one Hyrule Feild, actually. Some of the outer islands may be mountians beyond the borders of OoT Hyrule but the Great Sea being bigger may just mean that Hyrule is [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] bigger than what we see in OoT. As far I know for certinay, Dragon Roost is obviously Death Mountain and Forbidden Forest is Kokiri Woods.




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