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[Fyxe]

Since I didn't want to hijack Bond's topic any more, might as well make a new one, considering their new single is out shortly, along with their new album at the start of next month.

I listen to Muse, along with other prog bands.

Don't just call them prog. They're ROCK. In every sense of the word. Call them progressive rock if you like, but I think that lumps them in the wrong sort of category. But then, you could argue that 'rock' does that too.

If you don't know about Muse (blasphemers), they sound like all the best uptempo bits of Radiohead multiplied by eleven.

www.muse.mu

Thoughts on their new single Supermassive Black Hole, or on Knights of Cydonia, or on the band in general, place 'em here. And if any Muse fans haven't heard anything of the new album past Supermassive (and maybe they have reservations about the 'new sound' they're using for that single), then I can direct you to a performance of Knights, I believe (which will quell any of the reservations, I expect).

[Nevermind]

I quite liked the sound of Supermassive Black Hole, however, I wasn't really a fan of the singing style for it. Not to say I dislike Muse's singing altogether, I mean, I really liked their first big single...umm.....Time is Running Out?

Reminded me somewhat of AFI. Don't know if I'd call it 'rock' though...

[Meep]

It's rock. And they're nothing like AFI..nothing at all...AFI are emo. =P


Do they have a new album though? Since Absolution? o.O

[Chukchi Husky]

Call them progressive rock if you like, but I think that lumps them in the wrong sort of category.

A lot of people, include Rick Wakeman of Yes, calls them modern progressive rock. Dream Theater also tries to copy Muse's sound. Anything that's creative, experimental, unusual and goes beyond normal rock can be described as progressive rock. It doesn't have to be twenty minute symphonic epics with lyrics that make no sense and extended instrumentals.

I heard all their albums, Supermassive Black Hole (didn't like it that much) and Knights of Cydonia (sounds like Rush and Dream Theater, and the guitar intro sounds like Steve Howe). I like their longer, weirder songs more than their more "radio friendly" songs.

It's rock. And they're nothing like AFI..nothing at all...AFI are emo. =P

Radiohead are called emo (along with Pink Floyd and anything influenced by Pink Floyd), and Muse are often compared to them.

Do they have a new album though? Since Absolution? o.O

Black Holes and Revelations, being released next month on the 3rd in the UK, 11th worldwide and the 28th of June in Japan. I'll probably get it, but I don't think I'll be able to get it on the day of release.

Edited by Chukchi Husky, 08 June 2006 - 05:08 AM.

[Nevermind]

AFI LOOKS emo. Dude, they're not emo. That would make......Marylin Manson emo...


And say all you want. Muse still remind me of AFI.

Edited by Lazurukeel, 08 June 2006 - 06:33 AM.

[Fyxe]

I quite liked the sound of Supermassive Black Hole, however, I wasn't really a fan of the singing style for it. Not to say I dislike Muse's singing altogether, I mean, I really liked their first big single...umm.....Time is Running Out?

Reminded me somewhat of AFI. Don't know if I'd call it 'rock' though...

I suppose that was their first big single, although New Born was fairly breakthrough. And yes, Supermassive has very odd singing compared to normal, but I find the song strangely addictive. But like Husky said, I prefer their longer tracks.

Husky, anyone in their right mind wouldn't call Radiohead or Pink Floyd emo. PINK FLOYD!? No, 'emo' is bands like, say, My Chemical Romance. They're good emo, though, there's some very, very *bad* emo as well.

I can't comment on AFI because I know virtually nothing about them...

[Chukchi Husky]

Husky, anyone in their right mind wouldn't call Radiohead or Pink Floyd emo.

People from the north of England call them emo.

[Steel Samurai]

Muse rocks the house. A lot of my all time favorite songs are theirs. (Butterflies and Hurricanes, Time is running out, Stockholm Syndrome, Hysteria, to name a few) I won't get into the classifying argument though. That is not my area of knowledge. However, I will say that their wikipedia entry is quite interesting.

[Meep]

People from the north of England call them emo.

Speaking as a northerner, no they're not. Although I'm not a fan of radiohead.


And AFI's latest single is so very emo, don't get me wrong I like AFI but it seems recently they've been going emo.

One of my favourite Muse songs though has to be Bliss, it sounds so purdy.

[Chukchi Husky]

Speaking as a northerner, no they're not. Although I'm not a fan of radiohead.

Apparantly the only great rock bands come from the north. The first one is the Beatles, and the second one is a band called the Artic Monkeys. I never heard of them, but I was told their first album has sold more than all the albums of all the southern bands put together, and all the southern bands are rubbish compared to them.

[Veteran]

^ sounds like something us Northerners would say

But as another Northerner, no, Pink Floyd are most certainly not emo.

[Fyxe]

Muse rocks the house. A lot of my all time favorite songs are theirs. (Butterflies and Hurricanes, Time is running out, Stockholm Syndrome, Hysteria, to name a few) I won't get into the classifying argument though. That is not my area of knowledge. However, I will say that their wikipedia entry is quite interesting.

Interestingly, all from Absolution... If you haven't already, listen to Origin of Symmetry, their second album, and argued by many as their best. Personally I can't decide between all three. In fact, I can't decide between four, if I include the B-Sides Cd included with the live album Hullabaloo.

Their Wiki is fairly detailed.

Apparantly the only great rock bands come from the north. The first one is the Beatles, and the second one is a band called the Artic Monkeys. I never heard of them, but I was told their first album has sold more than all the albums of all the southern bands put together, and all the southern bands are rubbish compared to them.

Beatles are meh, and the Artic Monkeys are ok but nothing special (and certainly haven't sold THAT many albums, sheesh). Northerners have issues. ISSUES.

Besides, Devon isn't the south. IT'S THE FRICKIN' WEST, BYATCHES.

One of my favourite Muse songs though has to be Bliss, it sounds so purdy.

Random fact - the memorable synth riff that runs thoughout Muse was 'borrowed' from the main theme of a SNES games called Top Gear. Seriously, download the ROM and check it out, it's *identical*.

I'm just listening to a recording of Starlight, from the new album. This is where the title 'Black Hole And Revelations' comes from. It's depressing, but that's because it was originally going to be on Absolution so it's all about an apocalypse.
It's actually making me cry, but that's because I'm an extremely troubled girl.

...I'm not helping the 'emo' image by saying that. But they're not emo. Despite this song. I'm just weak. Extremely fucking weak.

[Showsni]

Devon's blatantly South. South West, maybe, but definitely South.

[Fyxe]

But it's wester than virtually anything else in Britain... So it's west. When people talk about the 'south', they always seem to mean the southeast region.

[Showsni]

I generally don't think of the south east as being south at all... To me, south means Devon, Cornwall and Dorset.
Working out where I live is trickier... According to road signs, it's "Wales and the West." ITV think we're "Central," and the BBC say we're "Midlands". If we're playing Bath at Rugby it's a "South West Derby," and we're also in the "West Country."

[Mad Scrub]

I have Showbiz, Origin of Symmetry, Hullabaloo and Absolution but I still haven't listened to all of them right the way through. My favourite songs of theirs are Sunburn, Bliss, Feeling Good, Shrinking Universe, Map of Your Head, Shine Acoustic, Apocalypse Please, Time is Running Out and Hysteria.

Apocalypse Please would be an excellent song to use if they were to make a MM anime. They could play it when the Moon is about to crash into Termina.

I haven't heard anything from their new album but I'm sure my sister will buy it as soon as it comes out.

[Chukchi Husky]

Besides, Devon isn't the south. IT'S THE FRICKIN' WEST, BYATCHES.

That's even worse. Northernets think everyone from the west is inbred.

Has anyone here heard the song "Never Enough" by Dream Theater? It sounds just like a heavier version of Stockholm Syndrome.

Edited by Chukchi Husky, 09 June 2006 - 03:50 AM.

[Fyxe]

That's even worse. Northernets think everyone from the west is inbred.

Has anyone here heard the song "Never Enough" by Dream Theater? It sounds just like a heavier version of Stockholm Syndrome.

Everyone from the west thinks everyone else in the west is inbred. And to be quite honest, we don't give a monkeys what the northerners think. I never even realised there was a north-south divide until I went to university. Nobody I'd met beforehand had ever said anything bad about northerners, it seems to be all coming from them.

Similar thing with the Scottish, many of them hating our guts while on the other hand we quite like them.

Wales have it right - they're not bothered.

Anyway, I downloaded and listened to Never Enough, and... No. It sounds nothing like Stockholm Syndrome. o.o I don't understand the similarity. Maybe the guitar riff is *slightly slightly* similar. In that they're playing the guitars... In a slightly similar way. In that they're hitting them. With plectrums, probably.

[Chukchi Husky]

Everyone thought Never Enough sounds just like Stockholm Syndrome. That's one of the reasons why people hate Dream Theater.

[Fyxe]

Who is this 'everyone'? Seriously, they sound nothing alike.

[Chukchi Husky]

I'm sorry. I guess it's just me being an idiot again, and forgot that everything I know is wrong.

[Fyxe]

Well, hey, I'm not saying that people didn't say they were similar. The thing is... If lots of people did say that... They were wrong, in my opinion, and I've listened to a lot of Muse so I woulda thought I'd notice any significant similarity, personally.

[Chukchi Husky]

I guess Wikipedia, ProgArchives and this Muse fan I know who lives down the street are wrong. Unless you downloaded one of the "hoax" tracks.

Edited by Chukchi Husky, 09 June 2006 - 03:18 PM.

[Fyxe]

...Wait a second. I just listened to the sample on Amazon, and it DOES sound somewhat similar. What the fuck... I did download that track from Limewire, but unless the final part of the song sounds completely different to the first few minutes, then I must have got a incorrectly labeled song.

The singing is much, much more emo though. Whiney sounding. Like he's 'forcing' it rather than singing naturally like Bellamy does.

Edited by Fyxe, 09 June 2006 - 03:29 PM.

[Chukchi Husky]

What you downloaded on Limewire was probably a hoax song. Before the album was released, the lead singer (James LaBrie) released a solo album, and many thought it was the band's album.

There's another song, "Sacrificed Sons", from the same album. and the Muse fan I know said the piano intro and the singing style is similar to Muse.

Blame the whiney voice on Geddy Lee (Rush), the guy who made it popular, and one of the main influences of Dream Theater. The singer they had before James was even more high pitched.

Edited by Chukchi Husky, 09 June 2006 - 03:35 PM.

[Fyxe]

Made what popular? The whiney vocals? Or the song? Or the hoax song? I meant the vocals were whiney on the Amazon clip too. Whiney in that they sound forced, rather than natural, like they're purposely trying to imitate Bellamy's singing, but it ends up sounding way too melodramatic. Always bugs me that.

EDIT: Oh, you edited your post. I get it now.

Edited by Fyxe, 09 June 2006 - 03:41 PM.

[Chukchi Husky]

The whiney vocals. LaBrie's regular singing is more like a cross between James Hetfield, Geddy Lee, Bruce Dickenson and Roger Waters (without the uniqueness). Someone who never heard the band before said he sounds like Robbie Williams. I think on that song they made him try to sing like Bellamy, simply to show their new Muse influence (and LaBrie has almost no creative influence on the band). On some songs he even tries to growl and, one one album, rap. Around ten years ago, he damaged his vocal chords vomiting, and had to have surgery a couple of years ago.

I just heard Starlight a few minutes ago.

Edited by Chukchi Husky, 09 June 2006 - 03:48 PM.

[Fyxe]

I can confirm I was definitely listening to the wrong song. Tried to download the right version and got the wrong one again. That one sounds very Iron Maideny.

Downloaded the original now. Bloody hell, it's very similar. Almost a rip-off. It's nowhere near as good though. It's like they're missed the point. Muse are NOT an emo band.

The lyrics are not a patch on Bellamy's either, there's no subtleties there, it's wearing it's emotions on it's sleeve, which Muse songs rarely do.

It's not *bad*, but then it's hard to make a song that sounds like Muse without it sounding ok. But it's not a patch on Muse. Especially the guitar solo. Bellamy is a much better guitar player.

But Bellamy is a god, so I'll say 'well done for trying' at least. But they should be more original.

[Chukchi Husky]

Downloaded the original now. Bloody hell, it's very similar. Almost a rip-off. It's nowhere near as good though. It's like they're missed the point. Muse are NOT an emo band.

It's probably best to call it a rip off. Dream Theater aren't an emo band either.

The lyrics are not a patch on Bellamy's either, there's no subtleties there, it's wearing it's emotions on it's sleeve, which Muse songs rarely do.

Most of this album doesn't have good lyrics. Their earlier albums had lyrics that needed thought to work out the meanings.

It's not *bad*, but then it's hard to make a song that sounds like Muse without it sounding ok. But it's not a patch on Muse. Especially the guitar solo. Bellamy is a much better guitar player.

The guitarist, John Petrucci, is often called one of the great modern guitarists (along with Steve Vai and Joe Satriani), but people accuse him of technical "masturbation" because of his extended complex solos and trying to be the next Yngwie Malmsteen.

But Bellamy is a god, so I'll say 'well done for trying' at least. But they should be more original.

Their earlier stuff is more original. Then they lost their first keyboardist, and then their second. For a while they managed to be original with their third, but then they started to copy other bands and they're last two albums are just showing off their inspirations.

Edited by Chukchi Husky, 09 June 2006 - 04:19 PM.

[Fyxe]

Well, the guitar solo in that song didn't sound particularly complex in the slightest.

I'm quite glad that the Muse album is sounding different to their older stuff. We don't need another Absolution, after all. Although Starlight was intended to be on Absolution, yes, and you can hear that, I expect.

And what did you think of it? I'd like to hear the album versions of Knights and Starlight, Knights is difficult to hear fully on the live recording I've heard.