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#31 FireHexer2

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 12:47 PM

Now, are Sheikah a whole different race? There's a question.


On wikipedia, it said that's it's a different race who protect the royal family.

Sheik call him(her)self a sheikah but she is Zelda.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 04:58 PM

Now, are Sheikah a whole different race? There's a question.

In my PAL version it says the Sheikah are "the shadows of the Hyrulians" (another sub-race again). Kakariko village used to be their home where they defended the Royal Family without question. Their numbers are now thought to be very few after the bloody wars mentioned in Hyrule's early history, in fact they are almost extinct - which is why they gave Kakariko to the people of Hyrule.

Impa is the only known living Sheikah left in Hyrule (OoT).

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 09:50 AM

Mm, the "Shadow of the Hylian/Hyrulian" is the only thing we're told - Wikipedia can be changed by anyone, remember.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 12:54 PM

Mm, the "Shadow of the Hylian/Hyrulian" is the only thing we're told - Wikipedia can be changed by anyone, remember.


I forgot it. Thanks.

But the Wikipedia contains actually only true things.

Edited by FireHexer2, 21 March 2006 - 12:55 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2006 - 03:26 PM

But the Wikipedia contains actually only true things.


<_<

No it doesn't. Most of the information there is based on the OoT Manga, which is about as canon as a pile of crap outside Nintendo's HQ.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 03:53 PM

I think Sheikah are a different race, or at least tribe, because it seems they all have red eyes. When Zelda changed herself into Sheik, her eyes turned red. I can't think of any reason she would have done this other than if it was a trait that all Sheikah have.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 05:16 PM

Wikipedia can be changed by anyone, remember.

I got the "Shadows of the Hyrulians" info from my PAL game...no one from the N64 generation needs Wiki to remember the storyline ;) Though to be fair Wiki is contributed information from other gamers, so is fairly trustworthy...why everyone here on Legends Alliance mocks Wiki so much is beyond me.

Edited by Ricky, 21 March 2006 - 05:20 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2006 - 12:41 AM

Proposal:
-- Shiekah, like the Hylians, is a slight variation of Human/Hyrulean.
-- Over time, Link himself becomes more and more distant from his Knightly (and therefore Hylian) ancestors, and his blood thins. A ramble with the royal family (Tetra?) would fix this, however.
-- In tMC, most of the characters appeared to be of Hylian nature, to me at least. The absolute purest Hylian, Zelda, is so close to the goddesses she acts as a vessel for the Golden Force.
-- Given that tMC is very early in the storyline, possibly the first, it would make sense that connection to the goddesses shows up as in children as the ability to interact with the remarkable Minish/Picori. We have no signs for some Minish exodus or extinction, so logically the Minish are still around in later games, just not visible, because the bloodlines have thinned.
-- The goddesses are not likely to speak to Hylians audially. More likely, they will communicate through visions or dreams.
-- OoT Rauru could be an example of a pure Hylian. We don't know how old he is.

Dreams eh? sounds an awful lot like the beginning of OoT and aLttP...

Stance:
-- Bloodlines thin as time goes by.
-- Royal family blood not thin over time (incest?)
-- Shiekah are something different altogether, pointy ears nonwithstanding.
-- Gerudo are unrelated as well. They are too imperfect an inverse to be argued effectively.

I wonder where Tingle factors into all this...? A Terminian with ear surgery perhaps?

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 12:45 PM

I wonder where Tingle factors into all this...? A Terminian with ear surgery perhaps?

The big ears are only the shape of the hood, I think.

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 05:24 PM

I believe there are Hyrulians that are neither Hylian(Hylian Blood with powers), nor Human(Round ears). You see [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of pointy eared people that are not true hylians in the games that take place later in the storyline. And I mean people that look a mix between hylian and human.

Also:It says Nayru, the Oracle of Ages, is HUMAN(In the Wiki). But I think she's more than human because of her ability to control time without being evil and she also has pointy ears.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 03:53 PM

Well, Hylians are their own race, but if you compare it with humans and elves, I'd say a bit of both. Most elves (the fantasy ones, not Santa Claus's workers) are very tall, but most Hylians are just average height, which is a human characteristic.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:27 PM

I always took them to be human, albeit a special kind of humans. Same with Gerudo. They're humans because they're mortal despite their magic infused blood. Elves are more like spirit type beings that are immortal or at least long lived. Kokiri are closer to being elves than the Hylians are. I guess you could get away with saying they're half-elves but there's nothing to suggest Hylians are hybrids with non-humans.

While I'm at it, Hyrulean is abjective pertianing to anything from Hyrule, be it people, objects, ideas, ect. For example, "Hyrulean architecture is famous for it's grand temples," "Hyrulean culture honors wisdom and courage but above all else, it hungers for power," or "Link is everyone's favorite Hyrulean Hero."

Hyrulian is a noun that can mean anyone from the country of Hyrule. It can apply to anyone from Hylians to Zoras to Gorons, to run-of-the-mill humans. Anyone who's a citizen of Hyrule. This is rarely used though. It doesn't apply to humans living outside of Hyrule.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 12:27 PM

I always took them to be human, albeit a special kind of humans. Same with Gerudo. They're humans because they're mortal despite their magic infused blood. Elves are more like spirit type beings that are immortal or at least long lived. Kokiri are closer to being elves than the Hylians are. I guess you could get away with saying they're half-elves but there's nothing to suggest Hylians are hybrids with non-humans.

While I'm at it, Hyrulean is abjective pertianing to anything from Hyrule, be it people, objects, ideas, ect. For example, "Hyrulean architecture is famous for it's grand temples," "Hyrulean culture honors wisdom and courage but above all else, it hungers for power," or "Link is everyone's favorite Hyrulean Hero."

Hyrulian is a noun that can mean anyone from the country of Hyrule. It can apply to anyone from Hylians to Zoras to Gorons, to run-of-the-mill humans. Anyone who's a citizen of Hyrule. This is rarely used though. It doesn't apply to humans living outside of Hyrule.


I think the Humans of Hyrule should have their own race name, hence Hyrulean Humans have pointy ears too.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 06:17 PM

Hylians are their own race, similar to both humans & elves.

The difference between Hylians & Hyrulians is that Hylian is a race, whereas Hyrulian is more of a nationality.

As for the Sheikah, I've always considered them either a clan, or a sub-race of Hylian. Zelda, who is Hylian, learned the ways of the Sheikah, and became one (Sheik), so that is why I'm not convinced of them being their own race.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:37 PM

I still think the humans of Hyrule should be given a different name to distinguish them from the Humans of Earth. It's just more creative that way.
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 05:19 AM

I still think the humans of Hyrule should be given a different name to distinguish them from the Humans of Earth. It's just more creative that way.
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Why should they? Humans in Star Wars are still called humans despite them existing long, long ago, in a galaxy far far away. That's pretty much how it is a lot of work fiction where humans exist on worlds that have no connection to our own.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 06:18 AM

They could be given a name to distinguish them from the other human races I guess. Don't they use the term human to refer to Gerudos and Hylians too?

Honestly though, it doesn't matter much.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 01:19 PM

They could be given a name to distinguish them from the other human races I guess. Don't they use the term human to refer to Gerudos and Hylians too?

Honestly though, it doesn't matter much.


I believe in TP that Hylians were nearly an extinct race or something. Humans had emerged as the new dominant race, so Hylians were very hard to find. So I think in that era, the 2 races were considered separate ones.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 01:45 PM

I still think the humans of Hyrule should be given a different name to distinguish them from the Humans of Earth. It's just more creative that way.
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Why should they? Humans in Star Wars are still called humans despite them existing long, long ago, in a galaxy far far away. That's pretty much how it is a lot of work fiction where humans exist on worlds that have no connection to our own.


It doesn't really matter if they're called humans. I'll call them human, but I'll still distinguish them separate because Earth and Hyrule are different worlds.

I believe the term "human" in fiction is relatively generic for any humanoid shaped race with intelligence. So you could probably call a Kokiri, or Zora or Orc a human.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 04:37 PM

I believe the term "human" in fiction is relatively generic for any humanoid shaped race with intelligence. So you could probably call a Kokiri, or Zora or Orc a human.


Not really. Human is a specific species. Kokiri, zora and orcs aren't humans. (Though (Middle Earth) orcs could presumably breed with humans, since they're descended from elves and elves can crossbreed with humans.)


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Posted 20 April 2009 - 08:31 PM

I don't think orcs, including the LOTR/Middle-Earth ones, can be considered humans. As far as I know, Sauron bred them using foul stuff and such. Although they need food and water, I don't think that makes them 'human'.

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 03:43 PM

But the humans of Hyrule ARE different from that of Earth, right?

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 02:26 AM

But the humans of Hyrule ARE different from that of Earth, right?


What do you mean different from that of Earth? You act like it's real world. Specualtive fiction and fantasy is filled with worlds not necessarily associated with ours that refer to human characters as "humans." There's very little reason to call them anything else. Sometimes a generic substitute is used such as Man or Mortal to make it sound less scientific and sometimes a slang term is used such as "Normies" "Muggles" and such but that's slang and usually meant to be derogatory terms. Even then, humans are still officially called humans, regardless if they have any connection with humans in our world. But other than that, I can think of any raeson why they should call their human cahracters anything other than humans. Even Link and Ganondorf have been referred to as human on numerous occasions despite Link being Hylain and Ganondorf having magical powers.

It's fiction, it doesn't take much suspension of belief to accept humans existing on another world without wondering how got there or why are they called huamns and not something else. Why is tree in Hyrule called a tree and not something in Hylianese? Why do the characters speak in English, Japanese, or whatever the language of the country Zelda game is being sold? It's because there's no real reasons for the writers to make up another name for human characters, especially when the term human is used inclusively to describe multiple races in Hyrule such Hylians, Gerudos, and Sheikah, not just the round ear non-magical folks. The word "Human" is also synonymous with "Mortal," and most people in Hyrule are mortal so it would be dumb to make up another word to describe all it's mortal inhabitants when "Human" does just fine and is readily understood. Inventing a new word would just require needless further explanation.

And for a real mindfuck, the Twilight in Twilight Princess transforms all humans into bodiless spirits, animals and certain magical folk are immune. The one's who aren't immune and turn into orbs of fire are regular huamns, Hylians AND Zoras and Gerudos. Think about that for a moment.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 08:01 PM

Well I believe that anything that comes from the imagination of another person truly exists in another world out there in the universe. No one really knows whether it's in the past or the future, but Zelda is not some mere lie in my heart. I believe the world of Hyrule is real, in another corner of the universe. Creativity and Art do not generate lies.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 03:52 AM

Well I believe that anything that comes from the imagination of another person truly exists in another world out there in the universe. No one really knows whether it's in the past or the future, but Zelda is not some mere lie in my heart. I believe the world of Hyrule is real, in another corner of the universe. Creativity and Art do not generate lies.

Wow, just wow. That's really, interesting. Just one question: Do you think Link is half Kokiri?

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 07:28 PM

Maybe. I don't know Link's father, but I know his uncle(LttP), and I know his mother is hylian.(OoT).

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 01:57 AM

Guys... I don't want to say the dreaded P word. But yeah.

I'm going leave this one alone...

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 07:18 AM

Maybe. I don't know Link's father, but I know his uncle(LttP), and I know his mother is hylian.(OoT).


It's said that Link's father was a knight of Hyrule and one of the King's most trusted advisers, so I would assume he was a Hylian as well. Or a human.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 11:45 AM

He's called Arn.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 08:18 PM

Here's a picture of him I found on the Zelda Wiki.


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I'd say he would be closer to a human. He's got the pointy ears, but the muscle isn't really an elven physical thing.




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