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[Fyxe]

Eh?

He comes out in the exact same way he does when you play it.

If the gamer was watching the game in real time, it would go something like this...

Link draws the Master Sword, and vanishes, Ganondorf following him. Now there is a Link in 'limbo'.
Link reappears at least twice, each time putting the Master Sword back and vanishing again. You wouldn't be able to tell just by looking, but this is NOT the Link that is still in limbo. From Link's perspective, that is the past.
Finally, Link reappears for a final time, and the young Link side of the ending occurs. Then Majora's Mask happens. We do not know what happens to Link after Majora's Mask, but for some reason it seems he never gets back to Hyrule.

Stuff we never see in-game happens, involving Ganondorf attacking Hyrule.

Then adult Link awakens in the Sacred Realm. This is the Link from the first time he drew the Master Sword, when he got put in limbo. He leaves the Temple of Time.
He comes back and discovers that he can use the Master Sword to travel back in time seven years. He does so, each time returning with a new item such as the Lens of Truth and Silver Guantlets.
Finally, he defeats Ganon, and Zelda sends him back in time for the final time.

That's the most basic variation on the single timeline theory. It's fairly simple really.

[Mad Scrub]

^ Makes sense. Now all we have to do is find a logical explanation as to why Zelda has the Ocarina of Time in her possession before Link begins his journey in MM. Magic?

[Fyxe]

Well, there's no reason why she couldn't send that back too. Hell, it might of gone as soon as she finished playing. Link would presumably need it to close the Door of Time as she asked him to anyway.

Either that, or the Ocarina is beyond time, and thus, yeah, a wizard did it. But I still think it just got sent back with him.

[Billy Goat]

OK, your theory makes perfect sense...call me slow, but I still have a question, would it not keep repeating itself this way? Link, after being sent one last time, becomes the Link from MM and the other would still be in the 'limbo'.

[Hero of Slime]

Zelda could have gone back in time and given the Ocarina to her past self. Knowing that Link would need it to save Termina.

[Fyxe]

How would she know that? Bit of a paradox there, I don't buy that theory, it makes more sense and is just cleaner if it just goes back with Link and he finds it with all his other items... Wherever the hell he stores them.

germanlink, the Link in limbo is, from Link's perspective, his past self. He's done that, he doesn't have to do it again. So no, there is no loop. It would be a loop if he went back in time and somehow put himself back in limbo and beats Ganon again, but he doesn't do that (and he couldn't do that anyway). He beats Ganon once, goes back in time and does whatever he wants (and leaves Hyrule).

[Billy Goat]

Yeah, thanks Fyxe, makes sense to me now.( Although my theory makes sense to me too).

[Hero of Slime]

How would she know that? Bit of a paradox there

She would know because it had already happened. I know its a paradox, every thing about time travel is a paradox.

[mohammedali]

Firstly, we don't ever see Link actually return to Hyrule, he's still searching for Navi.

We see him in the same woods that he started in, which are the Lost Woods.

Anyway, I don't know why it doesn't work, I have no idea what you're talking about.  From Link's perspective...

- Link enters the Sacred Realm and is sealed for seven years.
- Link awakens, defeats Ganon and Zelda sends him back in time.  After a few months he goes to search for Navi.
- In seven years, his PAST self wakes up, beats Ganon, then goes back in time.
- Time moves on like normal.  No 'infinite event'.

After "his PAST self wakes up, beats Ganon, then goes back in time", the time he goes back to is one where the last Link was already sent back to. Now we have this Link, the original Link (who's in Termina) and a NEW Link whos currently planning to beat Ganon in 7 years. If you still don't understand, then ask yourself, who will beat Ganon 7 years after "his PAST self wakes up, beats Ganon, then goes back in time". Also, what happens to the Link that's sealed in the SR after "his PAST self wakes up, beats Ganon, then goes back in time"?

Ganon was after them.  But once he turns around and goes to the Sacred Realm, what's the point of them staying in hiding wherever they are?  Assuming Ganon is building his power in the Sacred Realm for a few months, what good is it for them to hide?  Without the Ocarina they have nothing to protect, other than their lives, and they can probably protect more lives if they go back and warn people.  And the future wouldn't necessarily be changed, they wouldn't be able to defeat Ganon anyway.  And he might not even believe them.  He seemed to put trust in Ganondorf, remember?  There's nothing to say there was no warning in the future of OoT.  Just that Ganon won.

If the end result will be the same then they wouldn't have jepordised there own safety and would have gone into hiding like they said. I don't believe they would have chilled out in the Castle for a few months as if nothing was wrong if Ganon was still planning to attack. It makes the whole game seem completely pointless.

Like I said, it was mainly for dramatic effect.  We shouldn't assume the method of time travel would suddenly create a split if all the other methods didn't.

Firstly, to say it was dramatic effect is a cop out. It's also not even that big a deal if Zelda plays a song and sends you back, or if Link walks away and goes to the ToT. Infact, it would have been more dramatic to see Link walk away from Zelda like he did with Saria on the bridge near the start of the game.
I'm certain that the fact that Zelda gives Link the ability to relive his younger years is something he couldn't have achieved on his own using something like the MS as he normally did. Only then does the ending make any sence. She's doing a favor for him that he could not do otherwise.

But the seal wasn't cast using the Master Sword.  Ganon was defeated with the Master Sword which weakened him enough so the sages were able to use their magic on him.

The final seal is the MS that stops Ganon coming back. The sages tempted Ganon into the void of the SR, but the MS had to be placed there to stop Ganon returning.

And just because Link goes back in time, why would that cause the seal to occur?  The sword hasn't hit Ganondorf in the past, Ganon hasn't had the seal cast on him.  There's no reason why sticking it in the pedistal would seal him.

The MS clearly has a link between both times. Hence the seal would exist in the past as well. By Link going back, he is now going down a different path for the next 7 years. 7 years without being trapped, and 7 years without Ganon. This would lead to an alternate future. The other possibility is that Link returns to a time before the Triforce was touched. This could lead to the IW as described in aLttP BS where the Sages looked for the Hero but had to do something fast (suggesting they couldn't find him, perhaps due to Link being in Termina).

Anyway, even if we take a jump and assume this DID happen, why would that lead to ALttP?  The IW wouldn't even exist.

The above explained one way. Alternatively, if Link returned after the Triforce split, it could be that Adult Link universe is the one that aLttP occurs in, as this seems to be just like aLttP Bs, whilst Child Link universe is the one that WW occurs in, as this would make sence from the drawings (although they aren't conclusive proof).

EDIT: Just read your post at the top of this page. The theory still doesn't work, as when the Link in Termina is 7 years older, there HAS to be someone there to beat Ganon. It can't all be one Link. If you then say there are 2 Links, then the second Link will be sent back to relive the 7 years he missed. Your theory doesn't work. It really doesn't.

Mohammed Ali

[Fyxe]

We see him in the same woods that he started in, which are the Lost Woods.

You know exactly what I meant, just because he returns to the Lost Woods doesn't mean he doesn't continue searching for Navi.

After "his PAST self wakes up, beats Ganon, then goes back in time", the time he goes back to is one where the last Link was already sent back to. Now we have this Link, the original Link (who's in Termina) and a NEW Link whos currently planning to beat Ganon in 7 years. If you still don't understand, then ask yourself, who will beat Ganon 7 years after "his PAST self wakes up, beats Ganon, then goes back in time". Also, what happens to the Link that's sealed in the SR after "his PAST self wakes up, beats Ganon, then goes back in time"?

Ok, you clearly do not understand basic concepts of time travel. At ALL. Not only that, but you're being very pedantic and missing the point.

What is this 'NEW Link' you're talking about? When he goes back in time, there is no 'NEW' Link. The Link that is in limbo is the OLD Link, from his perspective.
Who will beat Ganon? The Link that is limbo. Just like we saw in-game.

Think about it like this; when Link awakens from the Sacred Realm, there is also another Link living out his life presumably somewhere away from Hyrule (although there's nothing to say he isn't dead). This is the Link that has experienced those seven years, but he's not an issue. The Link you're playing as beats Ganon, and gets sent back in time, and becomes the Link that is no longer in Hyrule. When he gets sent back, he ceases to be in the future so there is only one Link remaining, and time progresses normally.

If the end result will be the same then they wouldn't have jepordised there own safety and would have gone into hiding like they said. I don't believe they would have chilled out in the Castle for a few months as if nothing was wrong if Ganon was still planning to attack. It makes the whole game seem completely pointless.

No, it just means the past cannot be changed. Ganon will take over Hyrule. He will then be beaten. It would be even more pointless if Zelda could of sent Link back to change the past at any moment, stopping Ganon from ever attacking in the first place, as you seem to believe is possible for some reason.

Firstly, to say it was dramatic effect is a cop out. It's also not even that big a deal if Zelda plays a song and sends you back, or if Link walks away and goes to the ToT. Infact, it would have been more dramatic to see Link walk away from Zelda like he did with Saria on the bridge near the start of the game.  
I'm certain that the fact that Zelda gives Link the ability to relive his younger years is something he couldn't have achieved on his own using something like the MS as he normally did. Only then does the ending make any sence. She's doing a favor for him that he could not do otherwise.

She's doing a favour for him either way. If he lives in a different past or not it makes no difference, he gets the seven years he missed out on. That's all she's doing for him. She never talks about the past being changed. And it makes much more dramatic sense if she sends him back, because it's more emotional as she clearly didn't want to do so, and even Link seemed shocked.

The final seal is the MS that stops Ganon coming back. The sages tempted Ganon into the void of the SR, but the MS had to be placed there to stop Ganon returning.

You're pulling stuff out of your butt. That's just blatantly never supported by in-game quotes.

EDIT: Just read your post at the top of this page. The theory still doesn't work, as when the Link in Termina is 7 years older, there HAS to be someone there to beat Ganon. It can't all be one Link. If you then say there are 2 Links, then the second Link will be sent back to relive the 7 years he missed. Your theory doesn't work. It really doesn't.

I really don't know what you're not getting. Yes, when the Link that left Hyrule is seven years older, there *will* be someone there to beat Ganon. The Link that is in limbo that will awaken. From Link's perspective, this is his past self. He's already done that, and so it will come to be.

[mohammedali]

Think about it like this; when Link awakens from the Sacred Realm, there is also another Link living out his life presumably somewhere away from Hyrule (although there's nothing to say he isn't dead).  This is the Link that has experienced those seven years, but he's not an issue.  The Link you're playing as beats Ganon, and gets sent back in time, and becomes the Link that is no longer in Hyrule.  When he gets sent back, he ceases to be in the future so there is only one Link remaining, and time progresses normally.

Look at the huge flaw in logic. Let me try to illustrate the point again, and this time please don't tip-toe past the obvious error in your idea.

Link1 Vs Ganon:
Link1 has woken up after 7 years of being in the SR, gone to and fro through time, and beaten Ganon. He is now going back to a point in time where another Link (Link2) is trapped in the SR.
Link2 Vs Ganon:
Link2 has woken up after 7 years of being in the SR, gone to and fro through time, and beaten Ganon. Link 1 is in Termina / not in Hyrule during those 7 years and beyond. Link2 is now going back to a point in time where another Link (Link3) is trapped in the SR.
This will go on FOREVER. Understand?

No, it just means the past cannot be changed.  Ganon will take over Hyrule.  He will then be beaten.  It would be even more pointless if Zelda could of sent Link back to change the past at any moment, stopping Ganon from ever attacking in the first place, as you seem to believe is possible for some reason.

No it wouldn't, because Ganon HAS attacked in one world, and that world is no longer safe. He couldn't be stoped earlier as Link needed to awaken the sages first, so that a seal can be created. Then Link needs to beat Ganon in this future, as the Adult universe depends on it. It all works perfectly.

She's doing a favour for him either way.  If he lives in a different past or not it makes no difference, he gets the seven years he missed out on.  That's all she's doing for him.  She never talks about the past being changed.  And it makes much more dramatic sense if she sends him back, because it's more emotional as she clearly didn't want to do so, and even Link seemed shocked.

If he has to place the MS back in the pedistal of time then he should be young anyway. She's not doing anything for him if he's going to turn young anyway. It doesn't make sence Fyxe.

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

Eh?

He comes out in the exact same way he does when you play it.

If the gamer was watching the game in real time, it would go something like this...

Link draws the Master Sword, and vanishes, Ganondorf following him. Now there is a Link in 'limbo'.
Link reappears at least twice, each time putting the Master Sword back and vanishing again. You wouldn't be able to tell just by looking, but this is NOT the Link that is still in limbo. From Link's perspective, that is the past.
Finally, Link reappears for a final time, and the young Link side of the ending occurs. Then Majora's Mask happens. We do not know what happens to Link after Majora's Mask, but for some reason it seems he never gets back to Hyrule.

Stuff we never see in-game happens, involving Ganondorf attacking Hyrule.

Then adult Link awakens in the Sacred Realm. This is the Link from the first time he drew the Master Sword, when he got put in limbo. He leaves the Temple of Time.
He comes back and discovers that he can use the Master Sword to travel back in time seven years. He does so, each time returning with a new item such as the Lens of Truth and Silver Guantlets.
Finally, he defeats Ganon, and Zelda sends him back in time for the final time.

That's the most basic variation on the single timeline theory. It's fairly simple really.

What the hell. First off I'm not slow...I understand the logic to your madness. I guess the best way to say it is that this is unnecessary. What we see at the end of OOT, with Zelda sending him back with the Ocarina, is the final time Link is sent back. I understand the part a bout a double being created due to time travel and it's stuck in limbo, but once that double comes out of the Sacred Realm 7 years later to defeat Ganon, why the hell would Zelda send him back again for the final time? She already did that for the other Link and also the doors between time are now closed sense Link reinserted the Master Sword in the past. So time travel is off limits if it's closed.

[Fyxe]

Holy crap, someone help me out here, I don't know how much more obvious I can make this.

Link1 Vs Ganon:
Link1 has woken up after 7 years of being in the SR, gone to and fro through time, and beaten Ganon. He is now going back to a point in time where another Link (Link2) is trapped in the SR.
Link2 Vs Ganon:
Link2 has woken up after 7 years of being in the SR, gone to and fro through time, and beaten Ganon. Link 1 is in Termina / not in Hyrule during those 7 years and beyond. Link2 is now going back to a point in time where another Link (Link3) is trapped in the SR.
This will go on FOREVER. Understand?

No, YOU understand. You're getting your Links mixed up. You're following one Link and switching back to another Link and following that one, even though IT'S THE SAME LINK, JUST STUFF HE'S ALREADY DONE.

Link1 gets put in limbo. He beats Ganon and goes back in time. There are now two Links, but Link1 is the same as the Link that's in limbo. That's HIM. That's his old self. That's something he's already done. IT'S FUCKING TIME TRAVEL.

If you went back in time and saw yourself, would that mean that other version of yourself is now not you? This is your logic put into a more regular occurance of time travel.

Man1 goes back in time. He sees himself in the past, Man2. Man2 grows up and goes back in time. He sees himself in the past, Man3, etc.

But it's NOT A DIFFERENT MAN. IT'S THE SAME BLOODY MAN. You just keep switching perspective from one man to his previous self.

That's like telling a story, then doing a flashback, but never *stopping* the flashback, to the stage where you end up doing the SAME flashback within a flashback. That doesn't make any sense. You just aren't understanding.

Tri-Enforcer, I'm not even going to start to explain to you, as you seem to have missed the whole point of time travel entirely.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Holy crap, someone help me out here, I don't know how much more obvious I can make this.



No, YOU understand. You're getting your Links mixed up. You're following one Link and switching back to another Link and following that one, even though IT'S THE SAME LINK, JUST STUFF HE'S ALREADY DONE.

Link1 gets put in limbo. He beats Ganon and goes back in time. There are now two Links, but Link1 is the same as the Link that's in limbo. That's HIM. That's his old self. That's something he's already done. IT'S FUCKING TIME TRAVEL.

If you went back in time and saw yourself, would that mean that other version of yourself is now not you? This is your logic put into a more regular occurance of time travel.

Man1 goes back in time. He sees himself in the past, Man2. Man2 grows up and goes back in time. He sees himself in the past, Man3, etc.

But it's NOT A DIFFERENT MAN. IT'S THE SAME BLOODY MAN. You just keep switching perspective from one man to his previous self.

That's like telling a story, then doing a flashback, but never *stopping* the flashback, to the stage where you end up doing the SAME flashback within a flashback. That doesn't make any sense. You just aren't understanding.

Tri-Enforcer, I'm not even going to start to explain to you, as you seem to have missed the whole point of time travel entirely.

Gurl, I know it's the same Link...no shit! I use the terms double or Mohammed says Link1 and Link2, just to understand the flow and sequence of your crazy theory, it's not that we're saying it's different Links, it's just our way of marking or labeling.

Lets say if Link ran into himself in the past...that couldn't happen simply because he does things differently in the past thus preventing...better yet...eliminating whatever the other image had to do...so the other image (once again I know they're the same) just wouldn't exist. (unless u believe in split and alternate realities, but I know u hate that more than this theory not happening)

[Octorok]

What the hell are you talking about? You're "marking or labelling" too many Links, and making this WAY too complicated. It's actually quite simple, and if you play the game, it's quite obvious. Link is in limbo, but he is also in Termina as a child. He time travelled. That's what happens when you time travel. There would be no infinite amount of Links. just one Link that goes back in time, and has defeated Ganon in HIS past. He did it, so it will happen when it would've happened in OoT. I don't know what you're not getting about this.

[Tri-Enforcer]

What the hell are you talking about? You're "marking or labelling" too many Links, and making this WAY too complicated. It's actually quite simple, and if you play the game, it's quite obvious. Link is in limbo, but he is also in Termina as a child. He time travelled. That's what happens when you time travel. There would be no infinite amount of Links. just one Link that goes back in time, and has defeated Ganon in HIS past. He did it, so it will happen when it would've happened in OoT. I don't know what you're not getting about this.

Listen, are you in agreement with the exact way, that your gurl, Fyxe, is explaining this? Are you're theories jiving together? I played OOT many time before, here's what I see: Link sleeps for seven years after pulling the MS. Link awakens to defeat Ganon. Link is sent back to the past by Zelda by Zelda for the final time, and with Link not pulling the sword again it closes the door between time (it clearly states this at the end of OOT by Zelda). All that I just explained above is what we actually see in OOT. Also we see in MM that child Link travels to Termina--we also see this with our own eyes.

Now, lets talk about all the fanfic stufff we're debating about, which didn't occur before our eyes as we played the game. You're saying that by tampering with time, it allows Adult Link to be suspended in limbo. This allows young Link to to do whatever he has to do in the past (like go Termina), meanwhile 7 years after Link was sent back to the past, adult Link, who was sleeping in the Sacred Realm awakens to defeat Ganon, as it should be. Now could it be that you're saying that when adult Link awakens that's the part we're actually playing in the game? Either way would work for your theory--hence your theory.

However, when Link is sent back to the past, he will not do the same things that caused the future (the one we played in) to happen. Upon arrival to the past, he obeys Zelda's instructions and does not pull the sword, thus Ganon isn't allowed entrance into the realm. You see the first half of OOT that we all played, was in the past, the second half involved us going back and forth in time between past and future. The future we all saw and played won't happen if Link were sent back to prevent the events of the 1st half from happening. Unless Ganon finds an alternate means into the Sacred Realm and his 7 year reign occured in a different way. Even if that is the case, adult Link wouldn't pop out of Limbo if Link prevented himself from sleeping seven years.

[Fatgoron]

Even if that is the case, adult Link wouldn't pop out of Limbo if Link prevented himself from sleeping seven years.

Which, presumably, is why he never did anything to that effect.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Which, presumably, is why he never did anything to that effect.

Excuse me for a lack of better wording to describe Link awakening out of the Sacred Realm in the future.

[Mad Scrub]

^ Oh I see. Link is sent back in time to the point where he was about to pull the Master Sword out from the Pedastal of Time only this time he doesn't. Ganondorf doesn't enter the Sacred Realm at all and thus never lays hands on the Triforce causing it to split giving Link the Triforce of Courage on the back of his hand at the end of the game.

[Fyxe]

Tri-Enforcer, drop the whole fucking 'gurl' thing, it's getting freakin' old.

I'm not going to argue with you. I don't like your attitude and you seem to of missed the point entirely. I'm only going to argue with mohammedali as at least he seems to understand time travel slightly more than you do.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

What the hell are you talking about? You're "marking or labelling" too many Links, and making this WAY too complicated. It's actually quite simple, and if you play the game, it's quite obvious. Link is in limbo, but he is also in Termina as a child. He time travelled. That's what happens when you time travel. There would be no infinite amount of Links. just one Link that goes back in time, and has defeated Ganon in HIS past. He did it, so it will happen when it would've happened in OoT. I don't know what you're not getting about this.

The very nature of time travel means that it is not simple, with paradoxes everything.

If your model of it is simple, then something is wrong.

True, it IS the same Link. But here's the thing. Link is sent back right in time, right? He arrives in the past, before or after his past self pulls out the MS.

Either way, if it really was Link, he'd have stopped Ganon. Why would he let all of Hyrule suffer, even if he was going to save it all in Seven Years? Let's face it. If you could stop something from happening, you would. Link would be the sort of person who'd do that, wouldn't you agree?

[Fyxe]

Wolf, you're missing the whole point of WHY Link was put in limbo in the Scared Realm in the first place; because he was not old enough to be a hero. The reason whatever power controlled the Sacred Realm did this is because it knew he would die if he faced Ganon sooner. It's a whole big bugger part of the story. Without that MASSIVE plot point, the entire game would be different.

Think about it; anyone can see it's impossible for young Link to beat Ganon. Without the Master Sword, without being able to awaken the Seven Sages, he would be defeated in a second.

As for the model of time travel being simple and thus being wrong, that's rubbish. Absolute tosh. There's no 'rule' saying time travel has to be needlessly complex. Besides, it's clearly not that simple anyway if people have so much trouble following it, so that's a moot point.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Wolf, you're missing the whole point of WHY Link was put in limbo in the Scared Realm in the first place; because he was not old enough to be a hero. The reason whatever power controlled the Sacred Realm did this is because it knew he would die if he faced Ganon sooner. It's a whole big bugger part of the story. Without that MASSIVE plot point, the entire game would be different.

Think about it; anyone can see it's impossible for young Link to beat Ganon. Without the Master Sword, without being able to awaken the Seven Sages, he would be defeated in a second.

As for the model of time travel being simple and thus being wrong, that's rubbish. Absolute tosh. There's no 'rule' saying time travel has to be needlessly complex. Besides, it's clearly not that simple anyway if people have so much trouble following it, so that's a moot point.

Fyxe, I apologize for those comments, please forgive me. Now, back to point. It is true that when Link is sent back, he is too young to even match up against Ganon. However, when Link goes off on his adventure in Termina, Hyrule isn't in any immediate danger from Ganon. Why? It's because, Link does not pull sword, thus allowing Ganon inside the Sacred Realm. Ganon really can't do much with out the Triforce at this point. I understand why you feel Adult Link is in Limbo, however that won't happen if Link corrects his very steps when arrives in the past. Link not allowing Ganon entrance into the Sacred Realm really changes [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of thing. However it may only delay Ganon's advances, so thing may happen in a different way.

[Fyxe]

But Link *does* pull the sword, that's the point. It's a fact that he was sent back *after* he had drawn the blade. Zelda herself tells him to place the Master Sword back and close the Door of Time. The sword would not be drawn and the door would not be open if Link hadn't pulled the sword.

The problem with saying 'it may happen in a different way' is just that... How could it happen any differently? In OoT, Ganon can only be defeated with a combination of the Blade of Evil's Bane and the Seven Sages, both of which require the efforts of the Hero of Time.

Besides, again, Link has the ToC at the end, implying that both he and Zelda have their respective pieces, if there wasn't enough evidence already to suggest that Link reappeared after the Sacred Realm was opened.

[Crazy Penguin]

It's because, Link does not pull sword, thus allowing Ganon inside the Sacred Realm.  Ganon really can't do much with out the Triforce at this point.

Making the entirety of the game, plot-wise, pointless.

[Tri-Enforcer]

But Link *does* pull the sword, that's the point. It's a fact that he was sent back *after* he had drawn the blade. Zelda herself tells him to place the Master Sword back and close the Door of Time. The sword would not be drawn and the door would not be open if Link hadn't pulled the sword.

Ok I know he does this, because we see it in the game several times. From our perspective Link pulls the sword in the past. He sleeps for seven years, and defeats Ganon as an adult. That is what we saw, and what WE saw was Link being sent back for the FINAL time by Zelda. It is then, in the past (again)--with all the memories of his experience--Link opts not to pull the sword. By Link not doing what WE saw him do (earlier in the game), Ganon does not enter the Sacred Realm because of him and Link does not sleep for seven years. The future is changed right then and there, with that decision.

As for the mark of the Triforce, in Oracles we see Link with the mark, but he does not possesse any part of the Triforce (we see the Triforce at the beginning of those games and they look pretty whole to me). The mark simply means he's the chosen one and has the heart of a hero.

The problem with saying 'it may happen in a different way' is just that... How could it happen any differently? In OoT, Ganon can only be defeated with a combination of the Blade of Evil's Bane and the Seven Sages, both of which require the efforts of the Hero of Time.

When I say happen a little differently, it could mean anything. Without the Triforce Ganon can't really do much (at least at this point). Perhaps 7 or more years go by before Ganon finds another means into the Sacred Realm. Perhaps Link does return from Termina, he grows up, and when Ganon finds away into the realm, Link will be old enough to stop him. I don't know--but that's just an example of things happening differently, but don't hold me to that example.

[Billy Goat]

Umm... I don't know if it's been asked but, how does Ganon get the whole triforce? The link from MM leaves with the ToC right? But he get's in the future, and Ganon get the whole triforce in the sacred realm, so there's two ToC's? And how does Ganon even enter the sacred realm if the Link from MM seals the entrance, but then there is the Link in the 'Limbo"....


Again, sorry to break up any discussions but you are still discussing preety much the dsame thing. And right I'm going with Fyxe's theory with this question.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Umm... I don't know if it's been asked but, how does Ganon get the whole triforce? The link from MM leaves with the ToC right? But he get's in the future, and Ganon get the whole triforce in the sacred realm, so there's two ToC's? And how does Ganon even enter the sacred realm if the Link from MM seals the entrance, but then there is the Link in the 'Limbo"....


Again, sorry to break up any discussions but you are still discussing preety much the dsame thing. And right I'm going with Fyxe's theory with this question.

At what point are you saying that Ganon had the whole Triforce, what part are you referring to. In OOT Ganon never had the whole Triforce, it split on him. He only had the Triforce of Power. Now if you're referring to LLTP that's different. If you're one of those people who place OOT before LTTP, then you're supposed to accept the creators inconsistancies. (Oh well, if that's what u guys want) However I don't place LTTP after OOT, I place LTTP long before OOT.

[Billy Goat]

Yes, I know you put it before, wait, Ganon had only the triforce of power?

That answers one thing, but how does Ganon even enter the sacred realm if the Link from MM seals the entrance? Unless he doesn't... But if he did, then the Link from the 'Limbo' would not be able to come out, would he?

[Tri-Enforcer]

Yes, I know you put it before, wait, Ganon had only the triforce of power?

That answers one thing, but how does Ganon even enter the sacred realm if the Link from MM seals the entrance? Unless he doesn't... But if he did, then the Link from the 'Limbo' would not be able to come out, would he?

Yep, Ganon only had the Triforce of Power in OOT. Here, brush up on your OOT knowledge and read this FAQ quote of the whole game: http://www.zeldalege...s/z64quotes.txt

I don't know if you're quite following Fyxe's theory properly, but then again she'd tell me up and I down that I don't get it. So you'll have to ask her how it works, if you're in agreement with her theory. Unless the above question is just general.