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[MikePetersSucks]

Exactly, Showsni. What I mean is, if his body was sent back, it's still be old and we'd have a young link scampering around. But with time rewinding, No other bodies or loose ends are created, and you get the same results as with spiritual travel.

I hate to explain the way time travel works yet again, but just because Link puts the Master Sword down doesn't mean he never picked it up. That makes absolutely no sense. Lets look at it from a fly-on-the-wall perspective in the young Link time...

1 - The Door of Time opens, Link and Navi come in, Link draws the Master Sword, he vanishes and a gateway to the Sacred Realm opens and Ganondorf follows.
2 - The gateway vanishes and young Link reappears. He leaves the building. He returns after getting the Lens of Truth. He draws the sword again, and vanishes once more.
3 - Same thing happens again, but Link gets the Silver Guantlets.
4 - Link reappears for a final time and places the Master Sword back for good and closes the Door of Time.

Yeaaa.....I know. I wasn't implying anything otherwise, as that's been my theory since before you got here. *sarcasm clap*

Now, there NEEDS to at least be one Link sealed in the Sacred Realm when Link first reappears. There has to be. Why?

There doesn't NEED to be anything in this damn series. That's a MikePeterism.

Lets look at what has occured when Link first appears as an adult...

He has no Lens of Truth, no Silver Guantlets, yet the Song of Storms has been played by his younger self, and Nabooru has been brainwashed by Twinrova.
That MEANS that all of the stuff he does when he goes back in time has already happened. Basically this means he can't change the future. With me so far?

Although that sort've implies that he can, sense he gets the Lens of Truth from the past, but okay. It's possible that the Goddesses allow small changes, and the timeline readjusts itself, since those items don't effect the destiny of the world as a whole.

However, when Link first awakens, he does not have the Lens of Truth or the Silver Guantlets. Now, if I pretend that Link can somehow change the future (although he can't), then by your logic and if it's just consciouness travelling back in time, logically he should have the Lens of Truth and the Silver Guantlets as soon as he wakes up. He doesn't.

Wait, no, that doesn't work. Because no matter what kind of time travel you use, you don't have something until you get it yourself. End of story.
But if you stop assuming that it's just his consciousness travelling back and forth, this isn't a problem. There's a Link and Navi sealed in the Sacred Realm at all times. Time travel using the Master Sword is just that. Time travel. Nothing in the game ever says otherwise. It's just time travel.

But if you stop assuming that it's just his consciousness travelling back and forth, this isn't a problem. There's a Link and Navi sealed in the Sacred Realm at all times. Time travel using the Master Sword is just that. Time travel. Nothing in the game ever says otherwise. It's just time travel.

So.....what the hell changes? what does the unconscious Link and Navi do that our current, waking ones can't? Oh, that's right. Move and do stuff.

Also, the ending makes no sense by your logic. By your logic, by closing the Door of Time and leaving Hyrule, Link 'unseals' himself from the Sacred Realm. So he never awakens in seven years and saves Hyrule from Ganon. Then what's the point? What's the point of the entire game if it never happens?

Because he's already gone through it and proved him a hero. It wouldn't seal him now anyway, he's worthy. But He can't exactly fight Ganon until seven years anyway, so he goes and does stuff for seven years, then returns. liek omg Like...he RETURNS!!! and picks up the swoooord.

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With rewinding time, though, we know that his mind isn't rewound as he remembers what happens in the future. His brain/spirit/consciousness or whatever needs protection from being rewound. Which, effectively, results in his consciousness being "sent back in time," as it were.
It contravenes the law of entropy, but who cares about physics? Mathematically, rewinding time should work.

Yes, his mind is the only thing that isn't rewound. He still remembers what happened in the future or else the game couldn't progress and he'll be like "WTF? Why won't this sword come out?" I think it's sorta like his body is the vessel for his mind, in other words, his Delorean for his conciousness. But since he's still organic he's limited to how far back and forth he can go. Too far ahead and he'll turn into a pile dust. Too far back and he'll become a pile of man-juice. So the sword has a seven year limit.

I'd also argue that everyone else might have some memory of the original future in their minds sorta like when you record over an erased tape and some remnant of the original recording remains. But since such memories are ludicrous, people generally ignored it.

[Fyxe]

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Exactly, Showsni. What I mean is, if his body was sent back, it's still be old and we'd have a young link scampering around.

No. Firstly, Link is sent back AFTER he left, so there would be no young Link scampering around at the same time. That young Link is out of the picture, sealed in the Sacred Realm. And secondly, it's not very difficult to imagine his body being changed accordingly when he travels back and forth.

Yeaaa.....I know. I wasn't implying anything otherwise, as that's been my theory since before you got here. *sarcasm clap*

Jolly good, you can read. You can also totally miss the point...

There doesn't NEED to be anything in this damn series. That's a MikePeterism.

Thusly. Well done. Now read what I said again and think about it carefully this time.

Although that sort've implies that he can, sense he gets the Lens of Truth from the past, but okay. It's possible that the Goddesses allow small changes, and the timeline readjusts itself, since those items don't effect the destiny of the world as a whole.

They sort of allow Link to reach and defeat Ganon. Slightly more than a minor detail, that.

Wait, no, that doesn't work. Because no matter what kind of time travel you use, you don't have something until you get it yourself. End of story.

No, YOU were saying that it was just his consciouness going back and forth. So surely, if his consciouness goes back, he becomes unsealed from the Sacred Realm, correct? Therefore, when he does take the Master Sword again, he gets sealed differently.

However, time in OoT doesn't work like that. If everything Link did when he goes back in time has already happened, logically he would have those two items from the past when he wakes up. Unless, of course, it's just simple time travel like the game... Well, says.

So.....what the hell changes? what does the unconscious Link and Navi do that our current, waking ones can't? Oh, that's right. Move and do stuff.

Totally not getting what your point is, there. Not even making sense.

Because he's already gone through it and proved him a hero. It wouldn't seal him now anyway, he's worthy. But He can't exactly fight Ganon until seven years anyway, so he goes and does stuff for seven years, then returns. liek omg Like...he RETURNS!!! and picks up the swoooord.

OH MY GODZ, IT MAKES TOTAL SENSES.

Except it doesn't. Firstly, where the hell does he pick up the sword from? The Sacred Realm? In the hands of his former self? But no, he can't do that. What the hell. It makes no bloody sense. If he never drew the sword then Ganon wouldn't even enter the Sacred Realm in the first place.

Secondly, what, he returns in *exactly* seven years, in the meantime letting Hyrule fall to ruin?

And he times it JUST right?

And Navi doesn't notice?

And at the end, that bit where we see Zelda sending him back... Zelda doesn't send him back? What the fuck.

I know, lets just MAKE STUFF UP.

Honestly, the basis of some of these theories involve the future ending either being completely different or not even happening. What's the point of that? Why have an ending if it doesn't happen?

Oh, and one more thing, it WOULD seal him again. There was nothing about being 'worthy'. Link was simply too young to be the Hero of Time.

[Showsni]

Time travel in OoT doesn't work anyway, so there's not much point arguing about it. He doesn't have the items the first time he's in the future, as he hasn't picked them up in the past yet. But the well is drained, although he hasn't done it in the past yet. There's a contradiction right there.

[Fyxe]

No, it's not, because HE TAKES THEM FROM THE PAST TO THE FUTURE.

Not hard. Not complex. Simple time travel.

[MikePetersSucks]

Jolly good, you can read. You can also totally miss the point...

Same for you. See how the world works like that? Anyway, I'm not going to even bother replying to the rest of your post, since it's just sarcasm, bullshit, and hints of egotism. Nice game. You overreacted over a video game. chill out. I will reply to one more part though.

OH MY GODZ, IT MAKES TOTAL SENSES.

Except it doesn't. Firstly, where the hell does he pick up the sword from? The Sacred Realm? In the hands of his former self? But no, he can't do that. What the hell. It makes no bloody sense. If he never drew the sword then Ganon wouldn't even enter the Sacred Realm in the first place.

Secondly, what, he returns in *exactly* seven years, in the meantime letting Hyrule fall to ruin?

And he times it JUST right?

And Navi doesn't notice?

And at the end, that bit where we see Zelda sending him back... Zelda doesn't send him back? What the fuck.

I know, lets just MAKE STUFF UP.

Honestly, the basis of some of these theories involve the future ending either being completely different or not even happening. What's the point of that? Why have an ending if it doesn't happen?

Oh, and one more thing, it WOULD seal him again. There was nothing about being 'worthy'. Link was simply too young to be the Hero of Time.

He picks the sword up from the pedestal. Woooow. He drew the sword in the past, but then put it back when Ganon entered the Sacred Realm. fly-on-the-wall, n'all. Then he goes and does...stuff. He returns in seven years for two possible reasons. 1) He didn't want to mess up the flow of time, but that's not in Link's character, so it's also possible that 2) He wasn't able to get back until 7 years. Maybe he kept getting in adventures until he found himself back in Hyrule by fate. Navi, who the hell KNOWS what Navi's doing? She might've left Hyrule and Link found him on his journies. Zelda sends his child consciousness back. I'm not repeating myself if you're just gonna piss over it like your theory is better. The point of Link being sealed is irrevelent, since he doesn't get another oppurtunity to draw the Master Sword as a child after OOT.

Honestly, the basis of some of these theories involve the future ending either being completely different or not even happening. What's the point of that? Why have an ending if it doesn't happen?

Now who's been missing my points? That's what I've been saying the WHOLE DAMN TIME! >_> It's in my fuggin' SIG. but yea, whatever, be a hypocrite. I don't care anymore.

[Fyxe]

Ok, I don't know what the hell you're even talking about anymore.

You've also ignored half of my points.

I have sigs turned off, anyway.

[MikePetersSucks]

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[quote]You've also ignored half of my points.[/quote]

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