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[MikePetersSucks]

VERY INTERESTING! Thanks for bringing this to light, and also thanks for translating/summarizing the story everyone. However, the only reason I can't accept this as canon YET is mainly because of the main character. He's some kind of Ninja, and not Link urhrhr.

[mohammedali]

From the summery above, as far as we can tell, the significant implications this game would have on the canon is:
1) The Master Sword didn't rest forever, but after this game it does.
2) Ganon placed some of his life force into stone tablets at some point before/during aLttP. I imagine it was before though, as in aLttP he never leaves the Evil Realm.
3) Ganon wasn't completely dead at the end of aLttP.
4) Ganon is seemingly dead at the end of this game.
5) Link is official ruler of the whole Triforce after aLttP.
6) Link is away from Hyrule castle after aLttP (possibly LA).
7) There exists a 'Hero of Light' from another universe whose name is yet undisclosed.

Feel free to add to the list if there is anything major I missed.

Mohammed Ali

[TSA]

From the Zelda History DVD

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Btw - the real reason we never saw this in the US?

There was no established DBS market in the United States that was significant enough for Nintendo to go into negotiations with. Echo, now DishTV, was one of the few DBS providers at the time. It wasn't near the capacity to handle a nation wide system for direct broadcasting of the signal. Unlike the US, Japan has no established Cable Industry, and it's geography makes it difficult for one to exist. So DBS has taken off there. Same in Europe.

Either way, the reason for the time thing: Bandai signed a deal for non-geostationary satellites to broadcast the gaming signal to all of Japan. I beleive the contract was signed with Ruper Murdoch and his "Sky" satellite network. Don't quote me on that. Either way, because of how Satellites worked then (before Spot Beam was invented in 2000), the satellites were only over Japan for a certain time to broadcast the signal.

However, how satellites work today for all broadcast - they use Spot Beam technology to broadcast specific signals to your receptor from Geo-Stationary Satellites. It used to be an issue with this because o the finite space for satellites, and thus Non-Geostationary was used. In fact, there is a rule now that you must be 9 degrees away from each other in order to prevent interference. FCC and other international entities regulate this finite space. Just thought I'd pass that tidbit on.

Oh yeah, all the gameplay footage was in MPEG-1 codec compression. Video from the satellite was encoded in MPEG-1, so there was quality loss and data loss. That's also part of the reason why there was not a finished hack ever made. Plus, I'm not so sure how easy it was to hack a Satellaview system...

[Zythe]

Just to throw my 2 cents into this...

If this was a spin-off game, not featuring Link, only released in one country for a practically devoid system, I don't see how it can be considered canon material. It would be comparable to using Kingdom Hearts as canon for the Final Fantasy series. Spin-off. Based on something, yet not affecting that something.

But I could be wrong.

Spin-offs are always canon in TV and VG continuity. Spoofs aren't, but seeing as this exists in the Zelda universe it counts. Also, here is the proof that the legend is about Zelda and not Link.

So could the point of LA have been, to keep Link occupied in a dream world while Ganon attempted to take over Hyrule again?

[Fatgoron]

Spin-offs are always canon in TV and VG continuity.

That's a rather broad statement, and somewhat unfounded. The CDI games were using the official Zelda license, yet aren't considered canon, and they certainly don't fit into the category of spoof.

[lord-of-shadow]

I can't believe so many of you have never heard of this. Sheesh

Personally, I don't consider this canon, any more than I consider the other BS games or the Game and Watch canon. I think the very idea is preposterous. It features a kid from Earth or something, for gods' sake. Then again, some of you consider Soul Calibur 2 canon, so I suppose I shouldn't expect reason.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I never saw a full depiction of a game's plot, unless it was from a spoiler-filled walkthrough. What was read on this game's story does not read like a walkthough at all, obviously, and reads as if someone personally summarized the game. Whenever nintendo releases a Zelda game they only reveal the story being set up at the beginning--this also goes for older zelda games--if you read the story behind them they only reveal the introduction to the story or the backstory. So like I said before, this looks like someone wrote up their own personal summary of the game. But even if that was the case, that may or may not tarnish the credibilty of this game being canon. But like LOS said, if we don't consider the 3do games as canon, why consider this?

[SOAP]

Wow. Just. Wow. I always had a senaking suspicion ALttP couldn't be the Last of the Mastersword. This may or may not be canon but it's first foothole I've even got. This Hero of Light guy sure looks like a Subrosain though...

[Zythe]

He looks like Link wearing a turban to me.

[SOAP]

It looked more like a hood to me. Anyways, the picture was too dark and small to tell. The guy looks more like a baddy than a good guy though. The unlikely hero?

[Zythe]

It seems Link either was too preoccupied polishing his shiny gold Triforce, or was being held captive in his own dreamworld to help. This guy - just someone who goes to prove it's a story about Zelda and Hyrule, not Link, who is expendable.

[SOAP]

I can see why this was never released in the US.

Even still, I want to play this game.

[Hana-Nezumi]

It looked more like a hood to me. Anyways, the picture was too dark and small to tell. The guy looks more like a baddy than a good guy though. The unlikely hero?

which picture do you mean? the ones tsa posted or the screens sheikav posted? i think in the real game (the screenshots posted by tsa) you play as either a girl with pink hair or a boy in a baseball cap. both the boy and the girl sprites have link's body. in the rom you can use a patch to change the head to link's. it looks like sheikav's friend is using this patch and is also using another patch that alters link's colors, or link's coloring is not intentional and is an error with the emulation.

[joeymartin64]

Spin-offs are always canon in TV and VG continuity. Spoofs aren't, but seeing as this exists in the Zelda universe it counts. Also, here is the proof that the legend is about Zelda and not Link.

So could the point of LA have been, to keep Link occupied in a dream world while Ganon attempted to take over Hyrule again?

Not necessarily. Most of the time, yes. But would you consider Mork and Mindy to be canon for Happy Days? Mork debuted on HD, y'know. Or the Kid Dracula games canon for Castlevania? Doubt it.

[Zythe]

Crossovers are canon, if they exist within canon portions of the subject's timeline. For instance, anything in Sabrina (not the TV show, but the first film and the comics) is canon to Archie as they all lived in Riverdale. Anything in Angel is canon to Buffy. Anything in Frasier is canon to Cheers. Anything in Joey is canon to Friends. Anything in any Marvel comic is canon to any other Marvel comic (but not to DC, since every generation of DC has their own continuum).

EDIT: But yes, if something is so blatantly nonsensical (ie. Bender appearing on The Simpsons) it obviously doesn't count.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

I find this rather amusing that now there is some evidence to suggest that LA indeed goes after ALttP and not after Oracles. (Of course, before Oracles came out and even before I thought about timelines, I always thought LA did come out after ALttP).

Yet Oracles does have some evidence to prove that LA comes after it, which is only a visual piece of evidence (the rest of the game being nonsensical to the the order Oracles-LA).

With BS Zelda providing an official link between ALttP and LA, I guess I no longer have to rely on the Oracles-LA configuration.

This also provides more cannon-fodder for my new Null Timeline Hypothesis, which states that all attempts at making timelines are flawed and all timelines that will ever be created will always be proved wrong when Nintendo releases a new Zelda game.

Long live the NTH!

[SOAP]

I think this game is within logic. Unless, of course, you believe in that line about the Master Sword resting forever but oh well.

[MikePetersSucks]

So could the point of LA have been, to keep Link occupied in a dream world while Ganon attempted to take over Hyrule again?

OO! I like that idea! Like, Ganon created the Windfish, and set up all the people and monsters and everything. Plus it adds more oomph to Marin's place in the story. Instead of being some woman who fell in love with Link, she's specifically created by Ganon to fulfill Link's desires (cough) but she loved him so much in return that she broke free from the Windfish!

And yea, the Hero of Light dude looks like a ninja. Straight up. Can you say "Sheikah?" But I still don't accept this as canon.

[SOAP]

Well it's a nice catalyst to add to the storyline all the same.

[lord-of-shadow]

Crossovers are canon, if they exist within canon portions of the subject's timeline.

I don't care what's considered canon elsewhere and in other mediums, I don't consider this canon. Especially if it does feature a kid from our own world, as I seem to remember reading somewhere.

find this rather amusing that now there is some evidence to suggest that LA indeed goes after ALttP and not after Oracles.

I thought that the quotes about Link fulfilling the Prophecy of the Legendary Hero in the LA manual already proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt, for most people? Link fulfills prophecies about a Legendary Hero in LttP. No prophecies are mentioned in the Oracles.

Meh. Now I remember why I left this section of the community. People actually taking things like Soul Calibur 2 and now this game seriously weren't the only reasons, but they sure contributed. The whole idea is ridiculous.

[SOAP]

Well you know how people are. I could never separate LA from ALttP. Even if OOX's ending seems to lead into LA. But then again so did TWW. ALttP-KnS-LA all the way.

[Showsni]

If this game is ridiculous because it contains something from our world, are LA and OoT because they contain stuff from the Mario world?
The Four Swords games don't seem at all canon if you look at the preposterous idea of Link splitting in four, and they weren't even made by Nintendo like this game was!

[Zythe]

I'm more than willing to give The Ancient Stone Tablets a place, seeing as it's a proper full game taking place in the exact same Hyrule as LttP. While we're on the subject, the CDi games, G&W games, SCII and the cartoons can fit in most timelines as add-ons and don't destroy any continuity. If it was possible for Link to travel to Earth, then it's possible for the Hero of Light to travel to Hyrule.

[lord-of-shadow]

If this game is ridiculous because it contains something from our world, are LA and OoT because they contain stuff from the Mario world?
The Four Swords games don't seem at all canon if you look at the preposterous idea of Link splitting in four, and they weren't even made by Nintendo like this game was!

LA was a dream. Crazy things happen in dreams

OoT had... what? two Bowser amulets and a few pictures? Those are pure easter eggs, and you know it.


Having a Kid, the main character, travel to Hyrule from our world, is not an easter egg, it is a major part of the game. Which destroys any credibility the game may have.

Zythe, you say that if it's acceptable in Soul Calibur, it's acceptable in a game like this. What? I don't think it IS acceptable to consider SC2 canon. To do so would be to accept all the story of the Soul Calibur games in as well, which is quite obviously stupid and ridiculous. They're very out of place in the Zelda games, and exhibit none of the qualities the Zelda stories have. Especially once you get to dominatrixes like Ivy. You consider her part of the Zelda canon, now? Please. You're not that big of a fool, Zythe.

[Zythe]

Honestly, I don't consider SCII definite canon - I was just demonstrating that it's harmless in most timelines, because it doesn't add or detract from the main timeline.

[Hana-Nezumi]

Hello, the people that were making the Oracles probably didn't even know about this game! Capcom made the end of the Oracles to lead up to LA, and that whoever made Kodai no Sekiban was implying that LA was after ALttP. Capcom was making a contradiction and they didn't even know it!

[Vazor]

Technically, it's not a contradiction, because while this game says that Link went on his own journey, right? That could very well be OoX. And while that is happening, the creepy ninja-kid saves Hyrule. So, with OoX and AST happening at the same time, it would be:

LTTP
OoX/AST
LA

[SOAP]

Well I think this game has got to be the funnest. I mean, who doesn't want to magically teleport to the ALttP Hyrule?

[lord-of-shadow]

Technically, it's not a contradiction, because while this game says that Link went on his own journey, right?  That could very well be OoX.  And while that is happening, the creepy ninja-kid saves Hyrule.  So, with OoX and AST happening at the same time, it would be:

  LTTP
OoX/AST
    LA

Except that Link and Zelda meet for the first time in the Oracles. So unless we're going to have two Zeldas at the same time, that doesn't work.