I didn't ignore that. But some time is between OoT and MM. Link looks a year or two older. I didn't say that the ToC was not split when Link enters Termina.
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was that comment directed at me, MJ
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Posted 10 March 2005 - 07:16 PM
^ Not unless you're a dualist.
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I'm assuming your asking if I'm single or double timeliner
Single timeline.
Single timeline.
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Posted 10 March 2005 - 08:35 PM
Then that wasn't comment obviously wasn't directed to you. Obviously.
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I'm not quite sure what you're getting at Mario Jr. Yes, the Triforce of courage was split, but that could very well have happened when Link left the adult timeline for good and returned to the child timeline.
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Anouma's words + Hylian text in the intro are more important than a "Legend of Tingle" and a figurine.And should they be ignored? They were still references to Majora's Mask were they not?
It proves that the legend of Link saving Hyrule was kept by the royal family even after Link was back in his childhood. Thus we don't have to ignore Link returning to childhood and Majora's Mask for Wind Waker to make sense.
What about the Hylian text? The Party at Lon Lon Ranch, which happened one day after Link had left OOT's future?
Exactly!The simplest explanation is usually the best and most correct.
What about how the Triforce of Courage was shattered on Link's second quest. This can't possibly be ignored since it explans why the triforce of Courage was in peices to begin with
What are you talking about? I don't think a "second quest" is ever mentioned...
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Posted 11 March 2005 - 11:34 AM
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at Mario Jr. Yes, the Triforce of courage was split, but that could very well have happened when Link left the adult timeline for good and returned to the child timeline.
Except he still had it when he returned to the past.
What are you talking about? I don't think a "second quest" is ever mentioned...
King of Red Lions after you beat your first Temple:
Link, do you know the legend
of the Hero of Time?
Once, long ago, he defeated Ganon and
brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule...
A piece of the Triforce was given to the
Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as
Zelda kept hers.
That sacred piece is known as the
Triforce of Courage.
When the Hero of Time was called to
embark on another journey and left the
land of Hyrule, he was separated from the
elements that made him a hero.
It is said that at that time, the Triforce of
Courage was split into eight shards and
hidden throughout the land.
I took that to mean that his quest to Termina. There's no mention of any time traveling into the past. Just Link leaving the land of Hyrule.
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Aunoma didn't straight out say there was a timeline split, Miyamoto admitted that it was confusing even for them.Anouma's words + Hylian text in the intro are more important than a "Legend of Tingle" and a figurine.
The Tingle legend was in-game and very clear cut, thought and planning went into it, unlike an interview where questions are asked there and then.
If the developers had it all planned out that there was a timeline split after Ocarina of Time then why would they throw in a big storyline reference to Majora's Mask?
What about the Hylian text? The Party at Lon Lon Ranch, which happened one day after Link had left OOT's future?
The Hylian text intro doesn't say there was a timeline split. As for the Lon Lon Ranch thing, just don't worry about time paradoxes. If you worry about that then you should worry about the windmill/Song of Storms paradox too.
Except he still had it when he returned to the past.
When the Hero of Time was called to
embark on another journey and left the
land of Hyrule, he was separated from the
elements that made him a hero.
I took that to mean that his quest to Termina. There's no mention of any time traveling into the past. Just Link leaving the land of Hyrule.
I agree. If it was referring to the time travel then Link wouldn't have left the land of Hyrule. By simply returning to his childhood he wasn't "embark(ing) on another journey", his new journey began in Majora's Mask.
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Hey guys, I'm new. Ive been reading the posts on this thread and wanted to offer my thoughts. First of all, I'll say that I'm a split timeline believer, and ive got good facts to support it.
I read [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of stuff where people used Tingle in TWW as a "connection" to Majora's Mask. So what? Im sure u've heard of the "doubles" theory where the same ppl exist in both Termina and Hyrule, but not necesarily all at the same time. This makes perfect sense because their timelines don't intersect, so why should there be all the same ppl at the exact same time? In the case of the split timeline theory, Tingle is in both sides of the timeline in Hyrule, just like anyone else in Termina could be. Since different things happen in both timelines, it would be plausible to think that Tingle would show up at different times on both sides of the Hyrulian timeline. Thus, Tingle is in Termina in MM, and Hyrule in the oracle games and TWW, since the latter 2 exist on different sides of the split timeline theory. I tried to explain this as best I cud, but if you dont get something i said, just ask.
In addition MJ, yes, Link has the ToC in the past when he gets sent back in time, but since the Triforce exists in all times, the ToC in the future broke apart when he was forever sealed in the child timeline. I hope youre not meaning to say that Link TOOK the ToC from the future and then it didn't exist in that period for a while, because if you were saying that, then you also mean to say that TWO ToC's exist in the past. Think about it, it doesn't make any sense. Since the goddesses esentially control time travel, they sure as hell wouldn't let that sort of a paradox from happening. The ToC in the past simply stayed with Link, and in the future it broke apart. It's as arguable as the theory that it broke apart when he entered Termina.
Also, to those who say that everyone's memory was erased from the whole Ganon taking over Hyrule thing, then why did everyone in Hyrule remember in TWW's backstory? I will note that the statue of Link in the castle is obviously of him as an ADULT. It doesn't amke sense that the goddesses would want everyone to forget about Ganondorf, so he could just come back later and do the same stuff he did the first go-round. If anything, they would want to raise awareness of the evil bastard.
Regardless of how you interpret OoT's ending, two very different things happened in the future and past. In the past, Ganon's sieze of Hyrule is prevented, and in the future, it is ended after the damage has already been done. I've already made the case for why the goddesses wouldn't erase the people's memories, and if you still think they did, then try to explain all the facts against it (such as everyone remembering in TWW's backstory, among other things).
As for the Imprisoning War stuff in the ALttP manual, I've got some ideas on that as well. This is just a theory, but I think it works out well. When Link returns to the past, Ganondorf has been erased from time and doesn't exist anywhere, save for the sacred realm. This is a little farfetched, I know, but if you think about it, time has no precedent over the Sacred Realm really. I mean, why should it? Anyway, so when Link goes to see Zelda, he tells her all about his adventures, and when he shows her the ToC on his left hand, she either just believes him or it triggets her to see the events of his journeys in a vision from the Triforce. She does have the Triforce of WISDOM, after all. Zelda then uses the ToW to spread the word of Ganondorf's power and the seven sages' sealing that was eventually (through word of mouth) to become the semi-mythical "Imprisoning War". Zelda does not talk of Link, however, who had asked her not to because he just wanted to live a "normal" life for once and not be a hero any longer. When Link goes on his quest through the Lost Woods and gets sidetracked into Termina, the ToC stays in Hyrule, remaining lost for centuries. Ganon awakens from his slumber in the Sacred Realm and uses the ToP to turn it into the Dark World. He then draws the undefended ToC to the Dark World, and uses the two pieces to contact the current Princess Zelda and, posing as the Triforce itself, tells her to send the ToW, now in her possession, to the Sacred Realm for protection against future enemies. And thus, all three Triforce pieces reside in the Dark World. He orders Agahnim to create various disasters in Hyrule, and then stop them in order to gain the alliagance of the king. Then ALttP happens, and so on. I think you get the idea.
OK OK i know that was [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img], and I wasn't meaning to bash any other theories or anything, I just wanted to give my reasons for believing in the split timeline theory.
I read [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of stuff where people used Tingle in TWW as a "connection" to Majora's Mask. So what? Im sure u've heard of the "doubles" theory where the same ppl exist in both Termina and Hyrule, but not necesarily all at the same time. This makes perfect sense because their timelines don't intersect, so why should there be all the same ppl at the exact same time? In the case of the split timeline theory, Tingle is in both sides of the timeline in Hyrule, just like anyone else in Termina could be. Since different things happen in both timelines, it would be plausible to think that Tingle would show up at different times on both sides of the Hyrulian timeline. Thus, Tingle is in Termina in MM, and Hyrule in the oracle games and TWW, since the latter 2 exist on different sides of the split timeline theory. I tried to explain this as best I cud, but if you dont get something i said, just ask.
In addition MJ, yes, Link has the ToC in the past when he gets sent back in time, but since the Triforce exists in all times, the ToC in the future broke apart when he was forever sealed in the child timeline. I hope youre not meaning to say that Link TOOK the ToC from the future and then it didn't exist in that period for a while, because if you were saying that, then you also mean to say that TWO ToC's exist in the past. Think about it, it doesn't make any sense. Since the goddesses esentially control time travel, they sure as hell wouldn't let that sort of a paradox from happening. The ToC in the past simply stayed with Link, and in the future it broke apart. It's as arguable as the theory that it broke apart when he entered Termina.
Also, to those who say that everyone's memory was erased from the whole Ganon taking over Hyrule thing, then why did everyone in Hyrule remember in TWW's backstory? I will note that the statue of Link in the castle is obviously of him as an ADULT. It doesn't amke sense that the goddesses would want everyone to forget about Ganondorf, so he could just come back later and do the same stuff he did the first go-round. If anything, they would want to raise awareness of the evil bastard.
Regardless of how you interpret OoT's ending, two very different things happened in the future and past. In the past, Ganon's sieze of Hyrule is prevented, and in the future, it is ended after the damage has already been done. I've already made the case for why the goddesses wouldn't erase the people's memories, and if you still think they did, then try to explain all the facts against it (such as everyone remembering in TWW's backstory, among other things).
As for the Imprisoning War stuff in the ALttP manual, I've got some ideas on that as well. This is just a theory, but I think it works out well. When Link returns to the past, Ganondorf has been erased from time and doesn't exist anywhere, save for the sacred realm. This is a little farfetched, I know, but if you think about it, time has no precedent over the Sacred Realm really. I mean, why should it? Anyway, so when Link goes to see Zelda, he tells her all about his adventures, and when he shows her the ToC on his left hand, she either just believes him or it triggets her to see the events of his journeys in a vision from the Triforce. She does have the Triforce of WISDOM, after all. Zelda then uses the ToW to spread the word of Ganondorf's power and the seven sages' sealing that was eventually (through word of mouth) to become the semi-mythical "Imprisoning War". Zelda does not talk of Link, however, who had asked her not to because he just wanted to live a "normal" life for once and not be a hero any longer. When Link goes on his quest through the Lost Woods and gets sidetracked into Termina, the ToC stays in Hyrule, remaining lost for centuries. Ganon awakens from his slumber in the Sacred Realm and uses the ToP to turn it into the Dark World. He then draws the undefended ToC to the Dark World, and uses the two pieces to contact the current Princess Zelda and, posing as the Triforce itself, tells her to send the ToW, now in her possession, to the Sacred Realm for protection against future enemies. And thus, all three Triforce pieces reside in the Dark World. He orders Agahnim to create various disasters in Hyrule, and then stop them in order to gain the alliagance of the king. Then ALttP happens, and so on. I think you get the idea.
OK OK i know that was [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img], and I wasn't meaning to bash any other theories or anything, I just wanted to give my reasons for believing in the split timeline theory.
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One more thing: Tingle being included probly wasn't meant as a reference to MM, but rather just because they liked Tingle and wanted to include him in the game. I mean, lets be honest; the makers of the games don't have one set order that they just choose to keep secret and throw out clues to it every once in a while. They try to make fun, entertaining games with good stories. We're all just speculating here. So, if the single timeline theory is so great, could you tell me how Tingle is in TWW and the oracle games? I don't see how that could work without the split timeline theory. Normally I wouldn't read too much into stuff like that, but since you are with Tingle in MM, i figured I cud do the same.
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Posted 11 March 2005 - 03:00 PM
So let me get this straight. You're saying that because Termina is it's own universe it exists outside the Timeline Split in Hyrule and therefore things from Termina (like people, the Legend of the Fairy, and the events of MM) could be tranfered from Termina to either timeline? That could work I suppose. But the machanics of it are mind boggling all the same. :/
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the Triforce exists in all times
Bull. All things everywhere exist within time. It is illogical, in Zelda, for anything to exist outside a regular flow of time.
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In a way, yes; take the happy mask salesman for example. I do not take him to be the same person as the one from OoT, but rather a "double" of him in the parallel world. Since he always had the determination and passion(if you could call it that) to be a happy mask salesman, he did so in both worlds, despite the different backgrounds he was brought up in. This may not be the case in all doubles(both having the same personalities and lifestyles), but it is possible all the same. If the happy mask man would have been born in Hyrule 100 years later(after the timeline split), it's possible(but not for sure) that due to some cause and effect that happened during those 7 years, he wouldn't be born at the exact same time on both sides of the split timeline. He still, however, would probably be born on both sides eventually, but wouldn't have to be. If all this were true, I don't see any problem with the happy mask man living at the same time in Termina as he did in MM.
Yur right MJ, it is kinda mind boggling, but works all the same if you think about it.
Yur right MJ, it is kinda mind boggling, but works all the same if you think about it.
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That's why I came up with this Timeline theory that explains how the Legend of the Fairy could've been spread to TWW even after a Timeline Split.
Green is the Hyrulean Timelines and Purple is the Terminean Timeline. Hot Pink is traffic between the two universes via wormholes or whatever and are labled by who is traveling in them at the time.
Green is the Hyrulean Timelines and Purple is the Terminean Timeline. Hot Pink is traffic between the two universes via wormholes or whatever and are labled by who is traveling in them at the time.
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No, Zythe! How do you suggest that two PARALLEL worlds share the same timeline?! Nothing ever says for sure that it does, and why should it? Termina is in another demension for goodness sake. Plus, look at some classic literature, like the Chronicles of Narnia. Whether you're familiar with it or not, i'll tell you--the main characters live on earth and after only two earth years of being outside of the alternate dimension of Narnia thousands of years had passed. I would agree that everything inside HYRULE and it's surrounding areas exist within the flow of time, but when you're talking about a parallel dimension or the sacred realm controlled by the goddesses(who seem to be in control of the time flow in Hyrule), it's anyones guess. If my theory were correct, it could explain [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] about the same people in Hyrule and Termina.
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Hold on, MJ - I'm not sure if i get your timeline. can u explain it?
Also, zythe; when i said the triforce exists in all times, i meant it existed in the year when Link was 12 AND the year he was 19, not to mention all the years in between. If he took the ToC from one year and brought it through time travel to another year, then two ToC's would exist in one time period. This just wouldn't make sense, so there's no way he could have brought the ToC he got as an adult to the year when he was a child, he just had it then, too.
Also, zythe; when i said the triforce exists in all times, i meant it existed in the year when Link was 12 AND the year he was 19, not to mention all the years in between. If he took the ToC from one year and brought it through time travel to another year, then two ToC's would exist in one time period. This just wouldn't make sense, so there's no way he could have brought the ToC he got as an adult to the year when he was a child, he just had it then, too.
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Oh right! Because the other way creates a paradox.
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So basically, the Triforce of Courage has to exist in both timelines. Link loses the Triforce of Courage when he leaves the Adult timeline, and it splits or whatever. In the Child timeline, Link accidently seals Ganon or something, and the Triforce splits, thus earning the Child timeline's Triforce of Courage.
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Or it could have been inherited through regression in time. What I mean by that is that he won it as Adult Link, but Zelda sent him back to be a child. At the point that he returned to childhood, he already had the childhood ToC, as all the triforces did was offset each other. The childhood ToC recognized Link as the proper heir, and attached itself to him, while the aduly ToC remained in the future.
Good God I hate split timelines.
Good God I hate split timelines.
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You shouldn't. They make about as much(if not more) sense as single timelines. Just because you believe in one doesn't mean the other's wrong. It just means that YOU believe in it. Plus, the very theory you(Darunia) describe above could be used as evidence to SUPPORT these timelines that you "hate". Believe what you want, but don't ignore the facts.
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Unfortunatly if Termina is parallel universe with Hyrule it must split too, otherwise one of the timelines would intersect with the Terminan universe, resulting in.... I dunno, I'd imagine bad things. Look at Mario Jrs diagram, this is a representation of what I said, showing the Terminan universe overlapping with one of the timelines.
Plus, adding seperate universes to your timeline never makes things easier or more plausible.
Plus, adding seperate universes to your timeline never makes things easier or more plausible.
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No, it wouldn't. Parrelel means never intersecting. They don't effect each other like Hyrule and the Sacred Realm. Termina was not involved at all in the entire OOT screw-up, so they remain as one universe. Even if it did split, what's the point? The same exact thing would happen in both timelines until the moon incident destroys the Link-less Future Termina.Unfortunatly if Termina is parallel universe with Hyrule it must split too, otherwise one of the timelines would intersect with the Terminan universe, resulting in.... I dunno, I'd imagine bad things. Look at Mario Jrs diagram, this is a representation of what I said, showing the Terminan universe overlapping with one of the timelines.
Plus, adding seperate universes to your timeline never makes things easier or more plausible.
Not when the alternate universe is actually, like....important.
The childhood ToC recognized Link as the proper heir, and attached itself to him, while the aduly ToC remained in the future.
but it shouldn't. Link hasn't EARNED the Triforce in the Child Timeline. And even if he did, it would've had to happen the first time he travels back in time.
and Thinkaman, your entire post reminds me of religious debate o.o wow....we're dedicated fans XD *prays to the OOT cartridge, the creator of two worlds*
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No, it wouldn't. Parrelel means never intersecting. They don't effect each other like Hyrule and the Sacred Realm. Termina was not involved at all in the entire OOT screw-up, so they remain as one universe. Even if it did split, what's the point? The same exact thing would happen in both timelines until the moon incident destroys the Link-less Future Termina.
It's not a parallell universe at all or you wouldn't be able to travel from one to the other. It's a mirror universe, or, mirror plane, seeing as there's a portal in the middle of the map. So, Hyrulians and Terminians are probably in the same location, walking through one another, like ghosts. That's why I believe they're in the same timespan, because of the relationship between the worlds and the transference there.
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They are not walking through the same location like ghosts because Termina isn't just a carbon copy of Hyrule with different names! The whole thing about Termina is that it is similar to Hyrule, but different at the same time. When we draw actual timelines, we don't mean to say that there actually IS a line guiding time! Now that doesn't make much sense does it? It's just used to help us keep track of events in time. Now, Termina could easily be a parallel universe that Link could travel to. What says that you can't travel to parallel universes through portals or whatever? There are [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of instances in movies and books have done just this. You're not supposed to understand the specific mechanics of it, you should just accept it. This is what storytellers have done for years, and don't think they'll stop now. I could see Termina being a mirror plane is a sense to Hyrule, but to me it just seems to be in an alternate dimension. Also, the fact that there's a portal from Hyrule to Termina doesn't mean that Termina is right next to Hyrule in the space-time continuim or some wierd thing like that. Termina could be anywhere, but its in another dimension. I could ask [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of theoretical phyicists and they would all say the same thing: hypothetically, anything that happens in time in one dimension does NOT affect another dimension, no matter what.
And MPS, while i agree with most of the stuff you're saying, i still think that the power of the triforce trascends time, because the goddesses have that power. SO, it would make sense if, since Link EARNED the triforce already, he wouldn't have to earn it again. This is a good case for the split timeline theory, because it explains why after Link was "lost in the timeflow", the ToC shattered in the future, but Link still had it when he returned to the past in OoT. But whether he earned it again or it carried over is fairly irrelevant, its just a matter of iterpretation i suppose.
And MPS, while i agree with most of the stuff you're saying, i still think that the power of the triforce trascends time, because the goddesses have that power. SO, it would make sense if, since Link EARNED the triforce already, he wouldn't have to earn it again. This is a good case for the split timeline theory, because it explains why after Link was "lost in the timeflow", the ToC shattered in the future, but Link still had it when he returned to the past in OoT. But whether he earned it again or it carried over is fairly irrelevant, its just a matter of iterpretation i suppose.
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So Zelda sends Link back in time to the point right after Ganon touches the Triforce, right?
If thats true than Link DID earn the ToC. When Ganon touched the united Triforce, Zelda got ToW and Link ToC since they were the two currently living people that embody those traits. Link didn't really have to do anything at all to obtain the ToC. It was given to him automatically when the Triforce splits.
So Zelda sends Link back in time to the point right after Ganon touches the Triforce, right?
If thats true than Link DID earn the ToC. When Ganon touched the united Triforce, Zelda got ToW and Link ToC since they were the two currently living people that embody those traits. Link didn't really have to do anything at all to obtain the ToC. It was given to him automatically when the Triforce splits.
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If something transcends time, then it can't exist. At all. Think about it.
Mirror planes are not geographically identical, either, they are just happening within the same area on different levels (like layers on adobe photoshop).
Mirror planes are not geographically identical, either, they are just happening within the same area on different levels (like layers on adobe photoshop).
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I still think Termina is parallel, but even if what you say is true, then the timeline would split in Termina, and....nothing. It doesn't really matter now does it? We can disagree about Termina, but its not gonna do much for either one of our theories.
And about the transcending time thing, we're not talking real-world physics here, we're talking Zelda. So come on, the goddesses created the place; they can do whatever the hell they want. Either Link earned the ToC as a child AGAIN, or he just had it and what I say is true; either way, he couldn't have brought it through time, that would create paradoxes and such. And from the look of OoT, Link has the ToC BEFORE he goes to see Zelda(which is what would have set off the chain of events that caused him to earn it again if that theory was correct).
And cheesedude, I don't believe that Zelda sends him back to before Ganon gets the ToP or to stop Ganon. In OoT, she tells him she's doing it for him to recover his lost time or whatever. SO, I rather have a more ambitious theory that i've believed since i beat OoT. I think that the goddesses have ALL power, including power over time, so they simply allow the Sacred Realm to be unaffected by time in a wierd way so Ganon is in it in all times. I know it sounds a bit ludicrous, but the theory that Link stops Ganon in the past after OoT doesn't have much(if any) support from the game either. He could be going to Zelda at the end for a number of reasons, and possibly to tell her all about his adventures so she can spread the tales throughout the land in case Ganon were to return again. But again, we're going around in circles. No matter which variation you believe in doesn't really effect whether youre a singelist or dualist in my view; it's just your own opinons and interpretations on minor details.
And about the transcending time thing, we're not talking real-world physics here, we're talking Zelda. So come on, the goddesses created the place; they can do whatever the hell they want. Either Link earned the ToC as a child AGAIN, or he just had it and what I say is true; either way, he couldn't have brought it through time, that would create paradoxes and such. And from the look of OoT, Link has the ToC BEFORE he goes to see Zelda(which is what would have set off the chain of events that caused him to earn it again if that theory was correct).
And cheesedude, I don't believe that Zelda sends him back to before Ganon gets the ToP or to stop Ganon. In OoT, she tells him she's doing it for him to recover his lost time or whatever. SO, I rather have a more ambitious theory that i've believed since i beat OoT. I think that the goddesses have ALL power, including power over time, so they simply allow the Sacred Realm to be unaffected by time in a wierd way so Ganon is in it in all times. I know it sounds a bit ludicrous, but the theory that Link stops Ganon in the past after OoT doesn't have much(if any) support from the game either. He could be going to Zelda at the end for a number of reasons, and possibly to tell her all about his adventures so she can spread the tales throughout the land in case Ganon were to return again. But again, we're going around in circles. No matter which variation you believe in doesn't really effect whether youre a singelist or dualist in my view; it's just your own opinons and interpretations on minor details.
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Posted 13 March 2005 - 02:44 PM
I think that the goddesses have ALL power, including power over time, so they simply allow the Sacred Realm to be unaffected by time in a wierd way so Ganon is in it in all times.
I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely NO sense. The Sacred Realm and Hyrule are intertwined and connected, existing within the same timeflow. It's one thing to have Ganondorf be erased from the Child Timeline, but there's no way the two timelines can share one Sacred Realm, otherwise Ganon would be meeting himself there repeatedly, and that's just total bullshit.
ANYway, back to the Termina debate. Parellel worlds do not intersect, as in they do not exist within the same timeflow and universe. Portals are an anomaly by NATURE, so that argument is flawed. The fact that Link DOES have to use a portal created through chaotic magic (Majora's Mask) then the worlds are parellel. If Termina and Hyrule were SO intertwined, then Termina would have a much larger role in the story like the Sacred Realm does instead of being some Wonderland LA-style gaiden story. if you refuse to believe the two worlds are parellel, read the MM manual. You can't deny that solid peice of evidence, and you can't deny the definition of that word. That's a MikePetersism.
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Posted 13 March 2005 - 05:26 PM
ok MPS, yur probably right, but again, the point is that Ganondorf is erased from the child timeline due to one way or another. And yeah, your TOTALLY right about Termina.
