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[Hylian Diety]

This is true. My guess is since the dragons are legendary they came back from the Heavens. OOOOR there were always more than one to begin with, but their whereabouts weren't known. Sure that's the weak solution, but it's always a possiblity.

[Hana-Nezumi]

No that's only in the manga. In the game Volvagia is an ancient dragon that was destroyed by Darunia's ancestor and then was revived by Ganondorf.

i know that! it was a joke, because everybody hates that part in the manga except me, as seen in husse's post:

Yeah, Volvagia decided to fight with the marauders! Or were they called barabarians? Ah well. And this statement here:

no, he was a baby dragon that link was friends with!  

Is making me very sick. I hate that manga, I hate hate hate it...

[Husse]

Hm. Valoo DID know of the legendary hero...maybe he IS really old. We think that the Sprout is in WW, right?

[Vazor]

The sprout is definitely the WW tree. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Jabu Jabu and Jabun were one in the same. Both Valoo and Jabun seemed to know the hero of time in more depth than the legends, so I'm assuming they were both around at the time of OoT (the sprout knew about it too, obviously). But, of course, my idea is mostly baseless...it just makes sense, sorta.

[Husse]

Hm, I highly doubt the two are the same. The Wind Fish and Jabu-Jabu? Maybe. But Jabun doesn't quite possess the former's stupidity, garb, and strange manners of eating. That, and since we know the others are descendants...

[Hylian Diety]

Could it be that Jabu-Jabu is just another stage in the life of the great whale? In Oracles we see a baby Jabu-Jabu, maybe Jabu-Jabu is adolesence/early adulthood, and Jabun is the wise, sage, old whale?

[MikePetersSucks]

Or....NOT! because it's evolutionarily unprofound for a whale that lives on the surface to grow a lantern for a sea-dwelling fish like Jabun. They have different names, personalities, appearances, possibly powers....

[Hylian Diety]

Yeah, and it's OBVIOUSLY evolutionary profound for whales to grow wings and fly...It's a video game man...remember that first and foremost.

You are right on their personality and whatnot. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'm sure things would change for you personality, appearance, and ability-wise if you lived thousands of years.

They could easily be two different entities, yes, but the idea that they could be the same shouldn't be so easily dismissed...

[Kairu Hakubi]

i always kinda figured the windfish was either magically created or was the union of a simurgh/roc and a whale..

[Zythe]

Guys, I'm pretty sure HD was member 100-and-something or less than 100 on the old LA.

[FDL]

Or....NOT! because it's evolutionarily unprofound for a whale that lives on the surface to grow a lantern for a sea-dwelling fish like Jabun. They have different names, personalities, appearances, possibly powers....

But Jabu-Jabu had something covering his head in OoT. And the personality change might be because Jabu-Jabu is sick in OoT.

[MikePetersSucks]

Yeah, and it's OBVIOUSLY evolutionary profound for whales to grow wings and fly...It's a video game man...remember that first and foremost.

Yea, I know, but not even video games spew out that kind of shit -.O also, the Wind Fish struck me more as an ethereal spirit taking on a visual form than an actual organism. What kind of animal can create and entire world in it's slumber? I don't care how magical it is.

[Hero of Slime]

Comparing Valoo to volvagia is like comparing valoo to aquamentus. because they are all dragons.

[Zythe]

Valoo: red
Volvagia: red
Valoo: has a V name
Volvagia: has a V name
Valoo: lives atop Death Mountain
Volvagia: lives atop Death Mountain
Valoo: breathes fire
Volvagia: breathes fire

It would seem, that when the Zoras moved to Death Mountain, they inherited Valoo as their god and as a result he granted them evolution. And then, when they come of a certain age, he grants them wings.

[Hero of Slime]

But Valoo lives on top of dragon roost island.

[MikePetersSucks]

Dragon Roost Island IS Death Mountain, stupid >.>

[Hero of Slime]

If Dragon Roost is Death Mountain why is it not called Death Mountain?
Spectacle Rock becomes as Spectacle Island, probably because the creators of the game intended for them to be the same place, and for that reason gave them the same name. Why should Dragon Roost Island be any different. Also, if Valoo is Volvagia, wouldn't he himself, and therefore the rito as well, call it Death Mountain?

[Vazor]

Oh my God.

How can you not consider Dragon Roost as Death Mountain? Hmm, a tall mountain with a ring of smoke surrounding the top that is in nearly the exact same position as another tall mountain with a ring of smoke around it exisiting only a few hundred years earlier. Nah, they can't POSSIBLY be the same.

[Hero of Slime]

Just because they are both tall volcanoes, it does not mean they are the same place. If they were the same place then they would have the same name. Also the shapes of the two mountains are completely different, would you say that Mt St Helens was Mt Rainier?

[Vazor]

OK, think of it this way: the Kokiri forest is in the same place as the WW Forest Haven (where the Great Deku Tree lives). Now, look at the fact that Death Mountain was northish of the Kokiri forest, and that Dragon Roost is northish of the Forest Haven. Now, remember that both of the mountains just happen to be volcanoes, and both have giant rings of smoke surrounding their tips. Logic would dictate their being the same!

But no, they can't be. And the Golden Land is different from the Sacred Realm, too.

[Hero of Slime]

So does that mean that George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are the same person because they both have gray hair and are two-term presidents?

[Vazor]

First off, you can't prove a positive with a counterpositive. Also, maybe the fact that they were of different political parties, from different areas of the country, and that Bush WASN'T involved in a sex scandal might help you distinguish them. Honestly, bad anologies are my job.

Seriously, there's too much evidence of them being one in the same to deny it. Is there honestly anyone here that can logically defend the absurd claim of the two volcanoes being different?

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

Hehe, I dunno about newbie, but I'll buy the intellectual bit you sent my way. =)

Have I really lost that much status? I guess it HAS been a long time since HD's been around, but I figured at least a few people would remember me. Ah well. Anywho, you've got some nice ideas yourself.

I remember you! *slaps HD over the head* Stay!

[Hero of Slime]

Saying that they are different only strengthens my idea because there is an easily noticed difference in shape between the two mountains.

[Vazor]

Sorry, I meant the Forbidden Woods. My bad.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the bomb flowers! After all, they don't grow anywhere else, neh?

Edit: And where did I say they were different, the Zol?

[Hero of Slime]

Since when are Kokiri Forest or Lost Woods on a mountain top?

Also, in FSA bomb flowers grow all over.

[Hero of Slime]

If the kokiri(koroks) moved to the mountain top, the forbidden woods and kokiri forest are different places.

[Vic Vicious]

The Dragon Roost = Death Mountain thingy is just a theory (with which, btw, I agree)... a very good and feasible theory, yes, but just a theory, it's never stated as true IIRC... not even the Forbidden Woods are sure to be Kokiri Forest... so don't be so damn arrogant, could ya?