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#1 Zythe

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 05:39 AM

OK. I do know something about them, but I want the dead straight information so....

Deku Tree I of Ocarina of Time
  • What does he do?
  • Why was he made?
  • Who made him?
  • Is he a God?
  • How does he reproduce?
  • Do his memories pass from one Deku to the next?
  • Are the Kokiri his kids? Or did he just bless existing spirits with a shape?

Deku Trees of The Wind Waker
  • Did he turn the Kokiri into Koroks?
  • Why do the Kokiri worship him? Or don't they?
  • Is he a God?
  • Is the Forsaken Fortress the Deku Tree from Ocarina of Time?
  • How many generations is TWW's Deku from OoT's?
  • Where did he get Farore's Pearl from?

The Maku Trees
  • Are they the same as the Deku Trees?
  • What do they do?
  • Do they have a connection to the Oracles?
  • Are they Gods?
  • Do they have a people like the Dekus?
  • Can there be Maku scrubs?
  • What are the essences and do Dekus have them?
  • What are the Mystical Seeds?

Jabu-Jabu
  • Who made him?
  • What does he do?
  • Is he a God?
  • Why do the Zoras worship him?
  • What powers does he have?
  • How does he reproduce?
  • Is he the Wind-Fish? And what evidence is there?

Jabun
  • Who made him?
  • What does he do?
  • Is he Jabu-Jabu?
  • Is he a child of Jabu-Jabu?
  • How did he travel from Greatfish to Outset? Flight?
  • Where did he get Nayru's Pearl?

Valoo
  • What is he?
  • Who made him?
  • Did he have an equivalent in OoT?
  • Is he new?
  • Did Zephos and Clyclos make him?
  • Is there any connection to Volvagia?

Thanks, everyone!

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 05:50 AM

Deku Tree I of Ocarina of Time :
What does he do?
He is the Guardian Spirt of the Forest.
Why was he made?
Probably to guard the forest.
How does he reproduce?
Deku Trees produce seeds (normally once a year if the tree feels like it) and each seed can grown into a new Deku Tree Sprout.
Do his memories pass from one Deku to the next?
Extremely likely. In OOT, the great deku sprout knew a great deal considering he was "just born."
Are the Kokiri his kids? Or did he just bless existing spirits with a shape?
The Kokiri are his children. The Kokiri are not really humans per se, they are just "assuming" a human form, they could look like anteaters if they felt like it...

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 05:56 AM

So he actually produced the Kokiri or aided them to assume a human form? What about the other questions, about the Dekus, Makus, Jabus and Valoo?

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 09:05 AM

Deku Trees of The Wind Waker

Did he turn the Kokiri into Koroks?
It's a possibility, although he says they took human shapes so it's possible they did it themselves.

Why do the Kokiri worship him? Or don't they?
I think they worship him because he gave them life.

Is he a God?
Nope. He's the Spirit of Earth.

Is the Forsaken Fortress the Deku Tree from Ocarina of Time?
You mean the Forbidden Forest? It's either the OoT Deku Tree, or it's the Kokiri Forest.

How many generations is TWW's Deku from OoT's?
Some say two, I say one. I think the Forbidden Forest is the Kokiri Forest and the Lost Woods(the Deku Tree says the Koroks once lived in the Forbidden Forest) and the Forest Haven is the Deku Tree from OoT and his meadow sorta melded together. I think the Deku Tree that lives in Forest Haven is the Sprout from OoT.

Where did he get Farore's Pearl from?
Never explicitly said besides that it's from Farore.


The Maku Trees

Are they the same as the Deku Trees?
Never really said, so I guess not.

What do they do?
The female Maku Tree watches over Labrynna and the male tree watches over Holodrum.

Do they have a connection to the Oracles?
They know who the Oracles are so I'm assuming they have some connection to them.

Are they Gods?
Never stated whether they are or not. I'm guessing no.

Do they have a people like the Dekus?
No.

Can there be Maku scrubs?
Yes. If you go back in time in OoA you can see the Maku Tree is just a sprout.

What are the essences and do Dekus have them?
No, the Dekus do not have essences. Essences are different items that have to do with the state of the world. In OoS they keep the seasons in order and in OoA they keep time normal.

What are the Mystical Seeds?
Seeds created by the Maku Trees to dispel evil.

Jabu-Jabu

Who made him?
The goddesses, probably.

What does he do?
He protects Zora's Domain, I guess. He's kinda the Zora version of the Deku Tree.

Is he a God?
Technically, he is. The Zoras call him their guardian deity. But I don't think he's really a god, I think he's a powerful Water Spirit.

Why do the Zoras worship him?
Because he's their guardian. He's probably why Zora's Domain froze, because if you notice when he's at Zora's Domain it's fine but when he's gone it freezes.

What powers does he have?
I think he has powers similar to the Deku Tree except instead keeping the forests and earth under control Jabu Jabu keeps water and ice under control.

How does he reproduce?
Not stated.

Is he the Wind-Fish? And what evidence is there?
He atleast has some connection to him, as he wears the same clothes as the Wind Fish. Some believe that he's one of the "Wind Deities" the Ritos say they used to worship, and because the Ritos may be the Zoras, Jabu Jabu could be a wind deity, and therefore, the Wind Fish.

Jabun

Who made him?
Who knows?

What does he do?
He is the Spirit of Seas/Water.

Is he Jabu-Jabu?
I think it's a possibility.

Is he a child of Jabu-Jabu?
If he is not Jabu Jabu himself then he's probably an offspring.

How did he travel from Greatfish to Outset? Flight?
He swam there.

Where did he get Nayru's Pearl?
Probably from Nayru.

Valoo

What is he?
The Spirit of Skys/Wind.

Who made him?
Who knows?

Did he have an equivalent in OoT?
Perhaps Volvagia. For a boss it had [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of backstory.

Is he new?
In what way do mean "new"?

Did Zephos and Clyclos make him?
I doubt it.

Is there any connection to Volvagia?
Probably. He looks [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] like Volvagia and there are carvings of Volvagia in Dragon Roost Cavern, so he's probably Volvagia's child.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 12:25 PM

OK thanks, you confirmed a lot for me.

Anyone care to go into detail about the WindFish-Jabu connections? And, why would an evil dragon who served Ganon in OoT have a son who tried to kill Ganon in TWW? I do know most of these answers, I'm trying to confirm them for myself.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 12:41 PM

Deku Tree I of Ocarina of Time
  • How does he reproduce?
  • Do his memories pass from one Deku to the next?

i believe the deku tree sprout is the reincarnation of the deku tree.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 01:57 PM

Deku Tree I of Ocarina of Time

What does he do?
He guards the forest and the Kokiri
Why was he made?
To do his job. Duh
Who made him?
Um..Farore, I would assume. The myth says she created ALL life in Hyrule.
Is he a God?
Not in the same sense of the Goddesses, but he's a powerful spirit, for sure.
How does he reproduce?
He lays a seed. Duh.
Do his memories pass from one Deku to the next?
Yes. His child claims this itself.
Are the Kokiri his kids? Or did he just bless existing spirits with a shape?
His children. They said so, he said so, and there's no evidence to the contrary.

Deku Trees of The Wind Waker

Did he turn the Kokiri into Koroks?
Yea. Duh.
Why do the Kokiri worship him? Or don't they?
They don't exactly WORSHIP him like in a church, but they do respect and obey him. They do so because he's their father. Duh.
Is he a God?
In the same sense as all the other Dekus
Is the Forsaken Fortress the Deku Tree from Ocarina of Time?
No. It's made of stone, and it's stated that pirates built it. Plus it's too far off anyway.
How many generations is TWW's Deku from OoT's?
Who KNOWS? I'm guessing it's quite awhile. OOT Deku's son couldn't of survived the Flood. Maybe it's his grandson? At the very least, it's that.
Where did he get Farore's Pearl from?
from Farore. Duh.

The Maku Trees

Are they the same as the Deku Trees?
No. They're more spiritual, and to their countries, more important.
What do they do?
Maintain a delicate balance of Seasons and Ages
Do they have a connection to the Oracles?
Of course, it's stated constantly. I'm assuming that it's POSSIBLE that the Oracles either created the Maku Trees, or the Oracles are the "Kokiri" of the Maku Trees. But that's a long shot, so probably not.
Are they Gods?
Same sense as the Deku's.
Do they have a people like the Dekus?
No.
Can there be Maku scrubs?
Yes.
What are the essences and do Dekus have them?
The essences are items that were created when the Makus were injured, and by returning them, you heal them and restore their power. Deku's don't have them. What are they going to represent, Earth?
What are the Mystical Seeds?
Seeds created by the Maku's. Since they repel evil, they could of been a prime ingredient (or atleast the juices or something) in creating the Master Sword or other artifacts with the power of Evil's Bane.

Jabu-Jabu

Who made him?
Well, the Zora's evolved off of fish because of the magic water of the fountain. The same can be said of Jabu Jabu. Otherwise Farore.
What does he do?
Um, he's a guardian deity for the Zora's and the keeper of pure waters.
Is he a God?
Same as all the others.
Why do the Zoras worship him?
Because he's their deity.
What powers does he have?
Um...none of which we've seen. I suspect that all these "gods" are merely keys that keep the different laws of science in check, and that their health contols the state of the world.
How does he reproduce?
Um...eggs?
Is he the Wind-Fish? And what evidence is there?
No. The Wind Fish is probably his descendant.

Jabun

Who made him?
Jabu Jabu
What does he do?
Same stuff Jabu Jabu did. And protect Nayru's Pearl
Is he Jabu-Jabu?
No. He's his descendant.
Is he a child of Jabu-Jabu?
maybe.
How did he travel from Greatfish to Outset? Flight?
He SWAM! omg! I never would of guessed -.-;
Where did he get Nayru's Pearl?
Nayru. Duh.

Valoo

What is he?
The Sky Spirit of the Rito. Or a dragon. whichever.
Who made him?
Farore.
Did he have an equivalent in OoT?
Uh...unless you count Volvagia, but I don't think so.
Is he new?
No. He just moved in from... Rito-Land.
Did Zephos and Clyclos make him?
No.
Is there any connection to Volvagia?
They're probably from the same phylum or country.
Thanks, everyone!
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Posted 27 February 2005 - 02:03 PM

OK, that did confirm all my opinions, thanks! You can close this thread, or whatever.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 07:11 PM

Not quite. A couple iffys here, Zythe...

Is the Forsaken Fortress the Deku Tree from Ocarina of Time?
You mean the Forbidden Forest? It's either the OoT Deku Tree, or it's the Kokiri Forest.

That can't be at all. You see, in WW, everything is on top of mountains. Where was Kokiri Forest? Level ground/valley! The main landmark is the once-home of the great fairy, so I think it's possible that this is not Kokiri Forest, but the much-changed summit of Death Mountain! It is incredibly high, Dragon Roost could be something else...

I think the Deku Tree that lives in Forest Haven is the Sprout from OoT.


Me too, he just needs his pipeweed. Ya'll come beck!

Is he a child of Jabu-Jabu?

I think that's the more likely prospect, considering they look different and have different names.

How did he travel from Greatfish to Outset? Flight?
He swam there.


LOL! What ELSE are you going to do in an ocean?

Is there any connection to Volvagia?


Now why is it in OoT that the Gorons are the only of the three races with no guardian? Because, I say, their's was corrupted, this may also be symbolic of how they are so self-dependent and call everyone else "outsiders" they have seperated from their guardian as well. Volvagia's descendant was not so corrupt, obviously. That's what I think.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 08:06 PM

Deku Tree of Ocarina of Time
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B]What does he do?[/B]
Preserve a balance of nature within the Kokiri Forest

Why was he made?
The same reason that there are trees here on Earth, it is a source of life.

Who made him?
It was never explained, but Farore created all life in Hyrule so that is all we can go by.

Is he a god?
More like a powerful spirit of nature. The Official Guide states that he was the genesis of the Kokiri Forest and one of the strongest spirits in all of Hyrule.

How does he reproduce?
By sprouting off seeds.

Do his memories pass from one Deku to the next?
It seems possible considering the Deku Tree Sprout.

Are the Kokiri his kids?
They are children of the forest and it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume that they are considering that their true form is that of the Koroks.

Or did he just bless existing spirits with a shape?
More like he given them a disguise to protect them from the Fierce Wars.

Deku Tree of The Wind Waker

Did he turn the Kokiri into Koroks?
No he just made them revert back to their natural state.

Why do the Kokiri worship him?
Well if we moved onto the Wind Waker I can't understand why this question is here, but still for either the Kokiri or the Koroks the Great Deku Tree is their guardian so they have a deep respect for him, but they don't worship him as a god.

Or don't they?
They look at him as more of a father figure. Think of when Makar was late for their musical rendition. Makar was sorry that he was late, sorta like how a child apologizes to a parent, but not like a worshipper asking forgiveness from a god.

Is he a god?
He is in the same since as the Deku Tree before him, just a powerful spirit of nature.

Is the Forsaken Fortress the Deku Tree from Ocarina of Time?
No because the Deku Tree is not from the Forsaken Fortress, though I do know what you mean. And as for the Deku Tree from the Forest Haven well I think it would be safe to assume that he is the Deku Sprout from the Ocarina of Time since he knows so much about the Hero of Time as if he had known him himself.

How many generations is TWW's Deku from OoT's?
Well no one really knows, but if the Deku Tree Sprout is one in the same as the Deku Tree from the Wind Waker then it would only be one generation. I
Where did he get Farore's Pearl from?

The Maku Trees

Are they the same as the Deku Trees?
Similar, but essentially not the same.

What do they do?
Guardians of their retrospective lands.

Do they have a connection to the Oracles?
It seems so, since Farore Oracle of Secrets is able to transcend in either Maku Tree and they seems to know [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] about the other two Oracles as well.

Are they gods?
I wouldn't consider them gods, but they do seem to be powerful spirits whom protect the land of Holodrum and Labrynna.

Do they have a people like the Dekus?
There is no indication of such.

Can there be Maku scrubs?
It could be possible, but they are still not Deku Trees, they are Maku Trees and should be treated differently despite their similarities.

What are the essences and do Dekus have them?
The Essences are partial elements to a key retrospective from their land. For Holodrum the Essences are of Nature, and for Labrynna the Essences are of Time, and there is no indication that the Dekus know about the Essences around Hyrule, though they could.

What are the Mystical Seeds?
Seeds pertaining mystical properties:P

Jabu-Jabu

Who made him?
No one knows. Only thing that is known is that Farore the goddess created all life.

What does he do?
It is really unknown, other than he is a parton deity of the Zoras.

Is he a god?
He is considered a god amongst the Zoras, since deity and god are interchangable words.

Why do the Zoras worship him?
We are unsure, but even the King of the Zoras worships Lord Jabu-Jabu

What powers does he have?
It is unknown what powers he displays, but we do know that he was able to survive intestinal problems caused by the Bio-Electric Anemone Barinade.

How does he reproduce?
Possibly the same way that fish do.

Is he the Wind-Fish?
No evidence to support this, but there is a similar design amongst the two.

And what evidence is there?
None. They have similar ornate markings but the Wind Fish has wings. Other than a slight similarity nothing else can be said.

Jabun

Who made him?
No one knows, but Farore did create all life, or then again he could be an offspring from Lord Jabu-Jabu.

What does he do?
It is undetermined on what Jabun is capable of.

Is he Jabu-Jabu?
No evidence is available besides him having knowledge of the Hero of Time which could have been passed down to him.

Is he a child of Jabu-Jabu?
No evidence is available to support that he is the offspring of Lord Jabu Jabu, or is Jabu Jabu himself, but I would believe that there is some connection one way or another.

How did he travel from Greatfish to Outset? Flight?
I assume he swam.

Where did he get Nayru's Pearl?
Well if he is a descendant or is Jabu-Jabu then it could be possible that Zora's Sapphire the Spiritual Stone of Water was converted into Nayru's Pearl. It should also be noted the these two relics both corrospond with the innate color of the goddess of wisdom, Nayru.

Valoo

What is he?
Spirit of the Wind.

Who made him?
Who's to say anything did. Perhaps it was the spirit of wind taking an actual shape and manifesting itself in the form of a dragon.

Did he have an equivalent in OoT?
Not really, but Volvagia would be the closest resemblence.

Is he new?
As in a new character, yep he has never been in another Zelda game. Honestly I don't know what you meant by this.

Did Zephos and Cyclos make him?
It is unknown if they did or they didn't. They are gods of the wind, and Valoo is the Spirit of the Wind, but anything else as far as confirming a connection is unknown.

Is there any connection to Volvagia?
No, not any viable connection at least. Volvagia was a dreaded dragon whom feasted on the Gorons, while Valoo is a benevolent spirit of the wind.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 08:39 PM

I keep tellin ya, Volvagia was a corrupt guardian!

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 09:36 PM

no, he was a baby dragon that link was friends with!

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 09:54 PM

No that's only in the manga. In the game Volvagia is an ancient dragon that was destroyed by Darunia's ancestor and then was revived by Ganondorf.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 06:10 AM

Could he have been a power-hungry guardian? I like Husse's theory.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 11:01 AM

the thing about jabuu vs jabujabu is that WW has been changing a lot of creatures from one form to another. if an octorok can be a squid, then volvagia can grow legs and wings, or jabujabu can be a fish instead of a mammal. x.x

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 03:35 PM

Could he have been a power-hungry guardian? I like Husse's theory.


I like Husse's theory aswell.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 09:59 PM

You know what they say, power corrupts. And I'm pretty sure the spirit of wind would have a hell of a lot of power.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 10:12 AM

He kicked Ganon's ass in TWW. Heh. Love that scene.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 11:25 PM

He kicked Ganon's ass in TWW. Heh. Love that scene.


Not quite. The only thing Valoo did was destroy the top tower of the Forsaken Fortress, and Ganondorf was smiling when he seen Valoo, not to mention that Valoo himself admits that Ganondorf can't be destroyed by such simple means such as wrath and fire. Doesn't sound like an ass kicking to me.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 02:16 PM

Still, the scene pwned!

Holy crap, two people agreed with me! It's a first! I just think it's weird that we see two dragons, two trees, two fish, but in OoT, the Gorons have no guardian, but...there's that dragon. And Volvagia in the WW temple? Yeah, someone check the Japanese text, Volvagia must've been a guardian that lost it, and was perhaps somewhat replaced by your favorite and mine...the Great Fairy. *ickickick*

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 05:26 PM

I'm not a big fan of the Great Fairies, but would love to see Volvagia's corruption in a pre OoT Zelda game.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 07:58 PM

It could happen during the Pre-OoT Great War. That's what Z05 should have been.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 08:32 PM

Yeah, Volvagia decided to fight with the marauders! Or were they called barabarians? Ah well. And this statement here:

 no, he was a baby dragon that link was friends with!


Is making me very sick. I hate that manga, I hate hate hate it...

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 08:57 PM

Hmmm, a few things I noticed I'm not so sure I agree with.

Someone said that Jabu-Jabu may have evolved from the magic of the fountain, just as the Zoras did. Well, I don't recall there being any magic in the fountains...Not a big thing, but it just doesn't make much sense. I also think Jabun is a descendant of Jabu-Jabu of sorts. I believe Farore created these guardians once upon a time. If not, it's both possible as well as plausible that the guardians came from the Heavens...Afterall, the Goddesses did once, and there are Gods around in WW (Cyclos and Zephos). I think Jabu-Jabu is one of these Gods. Hence the wings and his celestial appearance.

As for Volvagia, I'd believe he was an ancient guardian gone bad. It's true that it says Darunia's ancestors fought him before, yes, but that doesn't mean Volvagia's lifetime isn't extremelly long. In other lore, outside the Zelda realm, dragons have extremelly long lifespans. It's easy enough to see that here too. Plus, there are indeed plenty of similarities between the two dragons (Valoo and Volvagia). And a week similarity is that they both start with V's, much like the Deku's have similar names (the same, rather) and Jabu-Jabu and Jabun have similar names. *srugs* It all makes sense.

I like you guys. It's been a while since Zelda theories have been truly tested. These are nice new concepts. Keep it up fellas.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 09:03 PM

Ah yes, you have now entered, the looney bin, newbie...nice thoughts, but now that you've proven you're an intellectual...

*bars clank, lock*

There's no escape! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Posted 02 March 2005 - 09:08 PM

Hehe, I dunno about newbie, but I'll buy the intellectual bit you sent my way. =)

Have I really lost that much status? I guess it HAS been a long time since HD's been around, but I figured at least a few people would remember me. Ah well. Anywho, you've got some nice ideas yourself.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 09:34 PM

Actually Husse, he's far from a newbie.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 09:59 PM

Well, there's a difference!

n00b: stupid new person that we hope leaves

newbie: not-stupid new person who was just unfortunate to have not arrived earlier!

EDIT: Oooooh, you mean the old LA...I was the first newbie to join after the hack, so I wouldn't know. My bad. Though he is unfortunate to have not arrived earlier! Get a nice avvy so I can rememberize who you are! :)

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 10:51 AM

what's more, valu can just be short for valuvajia, so it could even just be a nickname. still, i doubt they're the same guy.. and probably only vaguely the same species... since OoT volvagia got kill'd.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 03:03 PM

Maybe they're created, or spawned from lava...The Deku Tree reproduced AFTER he died, you know.




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