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[SteveT]

They have special knowledge about everything else. Why not this? They're supposed to help the Hero of Time in whatever way they can.

Because they aren't omniscient, and die at some point during the loop like everyone else. Link only realized what was going on because he fathered himself.

Good point, but why on earth would he NOT want to recover his memories? food and age are one thing, but that's his one oppurtunity to regain himself. I'm sure he'd of taken it.

Maybe if the Triforce gave him a second wish. As things stand, doing something that selfish goes against Link's entire personality.

Like, if the Sleeping Zelda is trapped outside of time, how can she be a legend passed down through the Impa family?

She's not.

If he has such power, why not banish her to some other land outside of time, so that you don't run the risk of having her awakened and causing a huge time paradox?

1. The fact that he didn't might imply that that spell is beyond him. Or maybe that's what he was trying to. In any event, I think when you're casting uberspells on your sister in a temper tantrum, potential temporal paradoxes are the last thing on your mind.

[MikePetersSucks]

Because they aren't omniscient, and die at some point during the loop like everyone else. Link only realized what was going on because he fathered himself.

I'm aware of that, but they have been known to obtain knowledge they couldn't get in their normal lives, like when they realize that they ARE sages and become chock full of Lore-y goodness and magical power. >.> and any deity/deities that creates a loop like that intentionally is even more stupid than Yggdrasill from Tales of Symphonia, but that's another discussion.

Maybe if the Triforce gave him a second wish. As things stand, doing something that selfish goes against Link's entire personality.

The Triforce serves it's owner as long as they live. Of course he'd get a second wish, if not more. After he like, restores the world and makes everything all happy-funtime-triple-lightning-bonus-round-Jesus-is-you-pal mode, I bet he'd ask for his memory, or atleast some kind of hint, like "Travel to the sea, and there you shall find your answers" or some stuff (Which may explain Link's journey of enlightenment in LA. (even though he still gets gipped)).

She's not.

You said yourself that she's a glitch in the system, and she's travelling AGAINEST the flow of time. I'm pretty sure that constitutes as OUT of the natural timeline.

Considering the fact that SteveT has never returned to LA, the previous post is clearly imaginary.

Is that so? then the entire thread is imaginary, and your theory doesn't exist. Bravo

[Masamune]

It's half my theory and since I never left LA, it's technically half there.

[monique]

LMAO TINGLE!!! HAHAHA OMG I love that part!!!! OH FAIRY!!!
Ganondorf: Now.. YOU ARE FREAKEN SCARY!!! *runs*

[Hero of Slime]

sounds nonsensical

[Marty]

I absolutely laughed my head off when I read this theory. The scary part is that its actually just as plausible as most other theories out there. Its surprisingly difficult to disprove your theory, even though it borders on the line of brilliance/loonacy.

[Hero of Slime]

Its easy to disprove. their is no evidence!

[Marty]

Then disprove it.

[Hero of Slime]

it is genetically impossible for someone to father themself.

No matter what is said about "magic", this is physically impossible and a poorly constructed theory to begin with

[Marty]

In Red Dwarf (a comedy sci-fi program) the main character is the father of himself. Not only is it genetically impossible, its also physically impossible since timetravel is impossible. Its also logically impossible (same with timetravel). In fact its every sort of impossible. But its fiction, so we accept it.

Zelda is fiction. There is plenty in the zelda universe already which isn't actually possible in the real world. Therefore I don't consider this sufficient to disprove this crazy theory.

To disprove this theory you have to do one of two things: find two facts that conflict irreconsiably with eachother due to the order of the games or prove that there is a general lack of coherent thought behind the theory. The former is difficult since there is no real order to the games in this theory and the latter is difficult since arguements to do with physical logic don't apply since we are dealing with fictional material.

[Hero of Slime]

Are we tlking about Zelda or Red Dwarf? Seriosly though, even if the games don't abide by the laws of physics or genetics, there is still no logical proof that this theory should be considered factual.

One more thing, are you trying to say that Steve T is right, or are you saying I can't prove that he is wrong?

[SteveT]

Now, now, let's not forget Masamune's involvement.

And in a world where physics doesn't matter coughhookshotcough, you'll definitely need better arguments that "it violates physics" to prove this wrong.

And thank you, Marty

[Marty]

I never said that this theory should be considered factual. I'm simply saying that its difficult to prove wrong. You suggested it was easy to disprove so I put you to the challange.

I can definitely see areas of improvement for the theory but thus far I haven't been able to find anything critically wrong with it. Not for lack of trying either.

[Hero of Slime]

I ts possible, Iwill admit. However, this does not make up for the sheer stupidity of the idea.
I mean, Link is Tingle? C'mon!

[SteveT]

Tingle's a freakjob in any theory.

[Hero of Slime]

Does that mean that Link is a "freakjob" also?

[SteveT]

Well, not until he marries his mom.

[Marty]

The genius part of this theory is how TWW and LttP are dealt with. That eliminates a large chunk of the problems that traditional theories have to deal with. The tingle part is also the most inspired bit of thinking I have ever seen. I can't wait to see what you guys come up with next.

Main arguements thus far which are pointless endeavours: saying that people will realize they are in a cycle - they didn't in MM. No reason to think they will in this theory.

genetics - its fiction, get over it

the wish - Link is selfless, a well-established character trait. no point in argueing against this.

the oracles having knowledge - they are only ever given knowledge that is particular to our heroes quest. they are not privy to information about the greater scheme of things, otherwise they would have told link in OoT that the wandering salesman was in possession of a dangerous mask that needs to be destroyed. but they didn't.

Arguements worth pursueing: the amnesiac thing. this is the weak point of the theory. if people dealt with this theory as they would traditional theories they will quickly find conflicting facts where amnesia is not a good enough explanation. instead everyone is concentrating on the wacky stuff.

[Hero of Slime]

I'm sorry if I sounded disagreeable earlier. This is a great idea, but I just don't see what evidence there is to support it.

[Marty]

No need to apologize, you're entitled to your opinion. My last post was actually directed at MikePetersSucks' arguements. Usually I'm one of the people ripping apart theories (when I find the time to post) but this one made me laugh so I figured that was enough for me to give it support.

[Masamune]

In all reality, the amnesia factor is not really that important for Link, since he doesn't realize he's in a time loop until his wife/mom gives birth to him, at which point he becomes Tingle, and thus is too much of a freak to do anything about it.

You just have to simply imagine Link as some sort of kid who is desperate enough to start living with people and start calling them 'grandma', 'sister', 'uncle', 'grandpa' and so forth.

[Hero of Slime]

Are Tingle's brothers also Link's brothers?

[SteveT]

That seems unlikely. Perhaps they were simply people who believed Tingle's story about having a massive role in cosmic history and sought to emulate him, which is the impression I always got from the games anyway.

[Hero of Slime]

Then why do they call themselves his brothers? If they are striving to emulate him, then why don't they just say that they want to be like him?

Also in TWW his brothers speak of growing up with him.

[SteveT]

Ever hear of the Quakers, or monks perhaps?

The growing up thing I'll have to look into.

[Hero of Slime]

Perhaps they are just saying that they are like brothers, but in TWW Ankle says that he made the Tingle Tower for Tingle when they were children. The Tingle Tower is in Tingle's image, so Tingle must have looked the same as he does now when he was a child. Since Link and Tingle don't look alike, and Link is a child, then they cannot be the same person.

[MikePetersSucks]

If Link is his own father and married Zelda, that would make him a prince, and didn't you say in another thread that it's completely ridiculous to end your dynasty or something? (OOO what now?!)

the amnesia pretty much ruins this theory, physical appearance aside.

Let's look at OOT first. MMkay, so Link is abandoned with some Kokiri and whatnot, blah blah blah. He's put to sleep and awakens, he learns he's a Hylian, and from facial expressions, this seems to shatter his WORLD! skipping along, rewind time, things are pretty good for awhile. MM happens. Timeloop spits him in TWW era? woah! Now here's the thing. What happened to Epona and all of his equipment? what happened to his BODY? O.o Anyway, Link's family would've been important here. For one thing, in Grandma's house we see pictures of Link with Aryll atleast 5 years ago when they were younger, and frankly, OOT Link looks OLDER than that. Also, if they found him washed up on the sea and stuff with amnesia, he wouldn't know how old he is, so they wouldn't be able to pinpoint his coming of age for the whole Hero of Time ritual. Even with that aside, I'm sure Grandma would've said something like "These clothes were the clothes we found you in" or later after Grandma is healed she might be like "Link, you're adopted" OOT revelation face shock!!! "You're a good boy. I was glad I could've pretended for a little while that you were my grandson. Please, for me, for Aryll, the girl who's your sister but not, please save her, save this land like the Hero of Time" or something cool like that. Then there's the whole thing with the Deku Tree and the Boat distinctly saying that he ISN'T the Hero of Time and doesn't have ANY connection with him. The boat is debatable, but the Deku Tree inherits memories from the last. I'm sure he would've been able to compare them or something or use some sort of Kokiri fairy magic to see who Link really was like OOT Deku Tree did to find out Link was a Child of Destiny o.o Also, if Link is the same, why would he need to PROVE himself to the Gods? He's done it already.

So anyway, we'll erase TWW like your theory suggests and move on to LTTP. What's this? Link is a brunette now? Damn, that's one hell of a timeloop. Also, how did TWW get erased? ANYWAY, LTTP happens. I'm sure Uncle would of rather told Link he was adopted or something instead of "Zelda is your destiny!" Yea, whatever. Link claims the Triforce and he's selfless enough to do other stuff. YAY! Anyway, then TMC happens and Link becomes a blonde again? WTF? anyway, for SOME reason, Link doesn't use the Triforce to fix this Vaati problem, even though he COULD, since it serves him as long as he LIVES, and your timeline kind've rendered Link immortal. ANYWAY, though, moving on. TMC is over, the Triforce REAPPREARS for some goddamn reason and chucks Link into the future to test him, his hair color changing YET AGAIN. (god, who does his HAIR?) *Farore's reading a fashion magazine, popping some gum like a ditz* Huh? o.O

Anyway, so the Triforce is testing him during Oracles, but wait- He already owns the Triforce and has proven himself twice already. Why does he need to do it for the 5th time? and why can't he summon the Triforce to fix things yet again? so anyway, I'll be nice and move on, ignoring that OOA's past is in the FUTURE in your timeline, but WTF ever.

FS and FSA happen, Link's hair is redone and stuff, Vaati doesn't seem to recognize Link, Ganondorf doesn't seem any pissed at Link despite the fact he's killed him a billion times already....but anyway, yea, Link gets that out of the way, hip hip hooray. Windfish screws with Link for kicks, gigglefits while he makes him a brunette again. LOZ and AOL happen, there are two Zelda's, which by your theory, should share a soul. What the hell? Why doesn't one of the Zelda's turn into a Tingette or something? and how come Tingle doesn't remember crap? >.> how does Tingle reincarnate through time?

[Darunia]

Geeze!! Let's just complicate things why don't we!!

[Hero of Slime]

This whole thread is just a joke anyway!

[Octorok]

Truer words have never been spoken.