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Posted 01 February 2005 - 08:10 PM

She has red hair, a bumbling father modeled after Mario, is in some people's eyes a love interest for Link, and teaches a magical song to him. Wait, am I talking about malon or Marin here? ;)

I think it is safe to assume that Malon was modeled after Marin. It goes without saying.

Marin though... First off, she's more original than Malon. On the surface, neither is TOO original, but the fact that Malon is modeled after Marin is enough to prove that point.

Marin was a singer, a gentle girl who cared for the animals of Animal Village, who had a bumbling Mario-father. She is a wistful, dreamy girl... and her most distinguishing feature is the fact that she is in love with the outside world. She loves Koholint and it's inhabitants, but her dream is to leave the island.

When Link arrives, her attraction to him is obvious. But it soon became clear, at least to me, that her love for him wasn't necessarily a love for Link... but a love for the outside world he represented. He came into their reclusive island from the outside world she dreams off, the first and only visitor they have ever had, and she attaches herself to him very quickly. She even manages to spill her heart out to him at the beach scene. Said scene also gives the most insight into her character, by the way.

Then, of course, there is the simple fact that she is dream... or is she? There is a mystery to her, a bit of unknown. It seems that when the Windfish and Link wake, she should just vanish, but as most of us know, if you finish the game without dying, she is turned into a seagull (or was it fairy? I think it's different depending on which version of the game you play), and fulfills her dreams of leaving the island, and of freedom.

Plus, there is the fact that she, unlike Malon, is a central character in a game.


Malon... is just a farmgirl. She plays a secondary role, an optional role for the most part. She has very little depth to her - she's just some random girl, which, if you stretch things a bit, has an infatuation with Link, he knight in shining armor. What little depth she does have is diluted by her numerous appearances in multiple games, none of which add anything to her character. In fact, they lessen her character, because they have even less depth than her original OoT appearance.



Marin is my favorite character in the series, and a wonderfully done one. Malon is just a random singing farmgirl with a horse, bait for all the fools who like to argue over who Link should end up with.

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 08:24 PM

you have some very nice points. i agree with you for the most part. as for the ending, i think its usually a seagull and if you finish the game without dying, it's marin with wings in its place.

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 09:53 PM

Malon was modeled after Marin, and in turn Marin was modeled after Zelda.

Even though the resemblance is not as strong between Marin and Zelda as Marin and Malon, it is clear she was developed to replace Zelda as the main female considering it was impossible for her inclusion. So basically she comprised what were the two female roles in Ocarina of Time. Perhaps the break from tradition is what allowed the developers to flesh out the character and even add some subtle romantic relationship between her and Link?

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 10:26 PM

...They're like the same people! One game just defines the character more... Just like Link is the same in every game. That's like saying the Zelda in this game is a better Zelda in that game... but, it's only my opinion. (I also like the sound of Malon better than Marin). Though, when it comes to character art, Marin's is better. Malon looks creepy as a kid.

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 11:41 PM

Marin was blonde in the SSBM trophy, IIRC

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 04:26 PM

The fact the Malon is a farmgirl pretty much kills her character.

What's better... someone is works with a bunch of horses in a stable on a farm... or a cute girl who sings and lives on a tropical paradise?

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 04:34 PM

that just says that they grew up in different environments.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 04:49 PM

Malon being a farm girl would not really kill her character. Sure she's not one of the main characters, but she has more of a life than some of the people in the market or Kakariko village.

Still when it comes to a choice between Malon and Marin I'd choose Marin.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 07:07 PM

I like Marin's song better but Malon in my opinion is better.

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 08:59 AM

Marin was blonde in the SSBM trophy, IIRC


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they kinda look a likes, only zelda looks more like an adult, but hey. Marin wasn't resembled to Zelda from Oot but from A link to the past! :lol:
Also Marin is indeed a far better character then Malon, Marin isn't a copycat >_< Malon is so unoriginal >_> even the name say's it! Marin/Malon gimme a break! :P Yay for Marin!

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 11:19 AM

the way i hear it, marin (and subsequently malon) was/were modeled after princess peach, just as tarin/talon and ingo/gormans were modeled after mario and luigi.. that's why they all wear koopa medallions. link just mistook marin for zelda because he was groggy and that's who he really wanted to see.. usually when a story does that (guy wakes up and thinks he sees his woman but it's really someone else) the someone else doesnt even resemble the person he thinks he sees at all.

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 12:10 PM

malon isn't a copy cat.... that's like saying zelda is a copy cat... or link. maybe the creators just wanted a fairly familiar character that wasn't the exact same.

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 01:46 PM

Malon... is just a farmgirl. She plays a secondary role, an optional role for the most part. She has very little depth to her - she's just some random girl, which, if you stretch things a bit, has an infatuation with Link, he knight in shining armor. What little depth she does have is diluted by her numerous appearances in multiple games, none of which add anything to her character. In fact, they lessen her character, because they have even less depth than her original OoT appearance.


Now hold on! Malon's appearances in FSA and in the Oracles (with human ears no less) might had added squat to her character, but her Terminian counterparts in MM had a rich story behind them. Romani is depicted as a spunky tomboy who wants to save her ranch from invading aliens. Also, the way Cremina talks about her late father and how she has to be both a mom and a dad for her little sister brought a tear to my eye. And besides, seeing the two Malons together was really cool.

But if I had to choose I'd go with Marin. She's the original after all. By the way, am I the only one who sees the simmilarities between Malon and ALttP Zelda in her peasant clothes?

I have the sneakiest suspicion that Marin was added into the Zeldaverse in an attempt to introduce Mario's daughter if he and Peach were to have one. It'd be cool if Marin came back into the spotlight but in the Marioverse as the next Princess of the Mushroom Kingdom.

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 02:18 PM

Hahahahaha Marin the daughter of Mario and Peach, hmm never thought of that one.
Well copycat or no copycat they didn't call Zelda, Zink or something like that! I just think they should have kept the original Marin, but oh well she's just an illusion/dream. Malon's real >_> Also wishing for a knight resembles Peach who wished for a knight in the Super Mario RPG!
And Mario JR, how can you see the resemblence between alttp Zelda and Malon. Malon didn't even had a big side story or characterism.
The a link to the past Zelda atleast has the; Alttp Drama cd disc, both two manga's and well a little from the game. :)

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 02:34 PM

I was talking more in physical appearance, mainly in hair style (split in the middle, baby-hair sideburns that droop straight down.) I prefer the peasant Zelda then her royal git-up. She looks totally weird, how her hair is. And the tiara thingy was just plain ugly.

Marin as Mario and Peach's daughter is probably too far fetched though. I can't see Marin as a princess. Royal life would only make her jaded. Maybe as Mario and Pauline's daughter. She could be a struggling actress/broadway singer who doubles as a waitress to get by and has an affinity for animals and small children. Living the tpough life, living from paycheck to pay check in a cramp apartment in downtown Manhattan, she maintains her youthful innocence and dreams of a far away world full of dragons, fairies, and talking mushroom folk.

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 03:32 PM

now we're onto Zelda... kid Zelda from the 00T looked weird... true, but I hate the peasant Zelda... I like Wise Zelda, not Strong Zelda.

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 03:57 PM

You guy's complain too much, Design your own good dress for a princess!
I like every Zelda, heck even Zelda from the episodes! I like also all the Link's >_>!

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Posted 03 February 2005 - 11:58 PM

Actully who cares there both pretty

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:08 PM

Marin though... First off, she's more original than Malon. On the surface, neither is TOO original, but the fact that Malon is modeled after Marin is enough to prove that point.

The fact that they did so would be enough to prove to me that Malon was supposed to be someone memorable, not a dumpy Tingle throwaway. <_<

Marin was a singer, a gentle girl who cared for the animals


So was Malon! She was what, nine? She's not supposed to be a wealth of knwledge. Her simplicity is what makes her lovable, and overall, many characters in that N64 game carried a titch flat. Look at Rauru! Malon even gave up trying to get help for the ranch because why? So Ingo wouldn't hurt the horses. She definitely cares about them. And in MM, where they wer obviously trying to make Malon more of a character, perhaps realizing that they'd skimped on Ocarina, she ran out to face the alien ghosts on her own, and as an Adult, cared for the animals and her sister all by her lonesome. What, do you want that dramatisized more? Does that have to be in melodramatic dialogue for you to like it? <_<

She is a wistful, dreamy girl... and her most distinguishing feature is the fact that she is in love with the outside world.

Cremia obviously had connections with town, Anju in fact, b/c she couldn't leave her ranch, but who's to say she isn't lonely and unhappy with the solemn life she leads. I almost never saw a happy Cremia in that game, and I can tell you why. Malon of OoT also seems to be a lover of the world. Int eh cramped plaza, alone for however long, a day or so, she waits patiently and sings. If she's in a big hurry to get back to a sheltered life, she doesn't show it. And as an Adult? Read the Gossip Stone. Not only does this feed a romance theory, but, even if it doesn't, it feeds an "I want to be free" facet of Malon, that, again, was not brought out enough for dialogue-readers like yourself, so they doubled her in MM. <_<

She loves Koholint and it's inhabitants

And despite it all, she loves the ranch more than anything. <_<

When Link arrives, her attraction to him is obvious. But it soon became clear, at least to me, that her love for him wasn't necessarily a love for Link... but a love for the outside world he represented.

And Malon is EXACTLY the same way. Again, Gossip Stone helps. Unlike Marin, Malon wasn't as big of a character, but if you s=consider the fact that she was just a little above the running man in how often you see her and how important to gameplay she is, the character carries a whole lot of heart, compared to a "central character" who is expected to have such qualities. <_<

Plus, there is the fact that she, unlike Malon, is a central character in a game


Thus making that statement of yours helpful to my opinion, not yours.

What little depth she does have is diluted by her numerous appearances in multiple games, none of which add anything to her character. In fact, they lessen her character, because they have even less depth than her original OoT appearance.

That's like saying the cartoons cheapened the series. IGNORE IT! Many characters show up more than once. If we can say that Marin is so similar to Malon, why can't I say she shows up in a bunch of games and cheapens the character of which you speak. <_<

I was really beginning to wonder where this random opinionistic thread was going, l-o-s, I dind't think it was like you to start something this, ah, DUMB and opinionated at ALL, and then I found out why...

Marin is my favorite character in the series, and a wonderfully done one. Malon is just a random singing farmgirl with a horse, bait for all the fools who like to argue over who Link should end up with.


Good....grief. L-o-s...I think Link should get them both. Why? Because each Link in each game is different. I don't like the thought of he and Zelda together, but I make an exception for LoZ/AoL and WW. In OoT, he seems to be either a loner, or maybe with Malon. In AlttP, he has no one, UNTIL it's sequel, in which he dreams of a Zelda manifested with the characteristics of Malon, that a Link would like, getting Marin, a flesh and blood great character that is STILL my favorite pairup in the series.

So yes, romance between Marin and Link is the best, but there can also be romance between Link and Malon, because, dun dun dun, there are two seperate Links of which we speak. I don't see why you had to start such a rambunctios thread to make people thnk Malon is stupid or something for the romance threads. I say, loner/Malon/Marin?Zelda it all depends. You can pick more than one.

I kinda threw some insults in this posts, you aren't going to suspend me for it, sre you? :( Uuuuuh-oooooh...

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:18 PM

Malon was kinda evil in Minish cap x_x she wanted 100 RUPEES for Lon Lon Milk. I hate her in Minish cap -_-''' so bad of Nintendo so bad!!!

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:28 PM

It was just your typical repeat a character for player nostalgia gig, not that it cheapened anything for me...

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:30 PM

I liked Malon's sprite version nothing wurse, but she was just put in because of her fans. x_x I mean the only thing she say's is 2 or 3 quotes and that's it! v_v they didn't even made her so kind in the Oot, but more in a greedy way x_x!

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:39 PM

I knows, it's a pain. But if it was fan put-in, there you have it! Malon is a lovable and memorable character even if she is minor, los!

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:59 PM

And people still love her even when she's evil and greedy. That in itself speaks for something, doesn't it l-o-s?

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 02:19 PM

Lol. That's right! Well, not really. That's just a senseles duplication but still, let's hear some love for the farmgirl!

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 02:50 PM

hehehehe I wonder if she will be in the Zelda 2005?? XD

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 04:56 PM

That'd be pretty cool, but I doubt it, she was too "cutesy" a character in OoT, MC, and FSA, and Z05 doesn't exactly look "cutesy". Although, they'll probably throw in some reference to her, for nostalgia's sake.

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 09:22 PM

what's wrong with cutesy?^_~ and about malon wanting to be free and wishing to be a part of the outside world, maybe that's why i like her so much, because i can relate to her. i try to be as carefree and optimistic as i can possibly be, but something always seems to be stopping me from being a part of anything. i too dream of romance and i care about animals, too.

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 11:14 PM

Right on, enchantedtoast! Cool beans! Oh, and glad you like the picture I finded! :D

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 11:24 PM

Farm-girls are not my thing in any way shape or form, and thus Marin seems to me to be an infinitely better choice like l-o-s says. I live in a town full of Malons.

Link seems to be a lot more regal than Malon, even if she aspires to have a "knight in shining armor," and I really don't think they'd work out.



But that's just me.




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