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[SOAP]

They'd probably say something cryptic. Like usual.

[Kairu Hakubi]

heh.. it depends which you ask..
Miyamoto: Well.. actually.. I'm not sure.. you see.. .a man.. and.. well.. being a woman... and then.. so there you have it!
Aonuma: Sheik has X chromosome.
Interviewer: wait, come back, does that mean one or two X's?? damn you lack of plurals!!!

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

I saw this cool flash called the Real legend of Zelda Oot. Links a dumb ass, Navi is a bad ass, and instead of epona link rides a donkey. Anyway heres what they said when they met shiek.

Navi:Zelda what are you doing here

Shiek: Im not Zelda

Navi: Your a girl

Shiek: I am.. I mean im not a a girl

Navi: well are you gay i mean you have to be a girl or gay to ware sutch tight pants.

Shiek: IM NOT GAY, any ways im here to help him not you.

*Link with his finger up his nose*

Any way its on Newgrounds that i know of and its so cool hes going to finish it but he just came out with Ep. 2

This might be off topic but it is a little comedy about Shieks gender.

Oh, I love those movies! XD

[Husse]

MUST GIVE ME LINK!!!

...........

The, uh, movie, not the character. Heh heh....

[SOAP]

http://www.newground...tal/view/228112

Enjoy, you silly girl, you!

[Clayvman]

Also go on the left there is profile, click it to and scroll down and find the first on and then click to watch. This is for people who dont know this.

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

http://www.newground...tal/view/230843

Clicky!

[SOAP]

Heh. That's why those things are there for... XD

[Fyxe]

I must say I don't see any particularly noticable 'hips', and I've never bought the 'she tapes down her breasts and wears contacts!!'.. Honestly, coloured contact lenses? In Zelda reality? Somewhat unlikely. And that's definitely a toned male chest. O.o''

You'll also notice that her hair is a different shade, and a different style completely. I think even Sheik's skin colour is different to Zelda.

I figure that if she's using magic to change all that, then why isn't she using magic to change her gender as well? Whether you call Shiek a girl or boy is different however, depends on how you percieve the character behind the disguise, but I'm pretty sure *genetically* she becomes male, or maybe even an androgynous character (neither male nor female, with no sexual organs).

Anyway, for the Fairy spell, Link becomes a small female fairy, that's rather clear. However, whoever said that Link becomes 'asexual' when he uses the Mermaid Suit.. That seems rather odd to me. It's not hard to imagine a male mermaid. He definitely becomes half-fish, but stays male.

If only they had the Gerudo Mask in Majora's Mask. Gerudo Link.

[Tekky]

At the end of the day, it doesnt matter whether he is male or female, but that people think she is male (yes that was deliberate!)...

I still stand by my whitelighter comment! For those of you who dont watch Charmed, Whitelighters (and demons for that matter) have the ability to perform a glamour on themselves, that is they take on the apperance and voice of another person (for example, Leo in Season 3 poses as Belthazar so the Sisters can practice their battle technique, and in Season 5, when Paige is under the influence of the witch doctor's hex she kidnaps her best friends fiance (who she is jealous of) and glamours herself into her so she can marry him...)

[SOAP]

Okay. I think it's magic to disquise herself as a boy or something more sexually ambigous. I don't think she went all way and changed her sexual reproductive organs. It's something like a hologram that she put over her real body. Zelda's still quite a woman underneath as her voice clearly points out.

[Fyxe]

Actually, Shiek's voice, despite being high, is significantly lower pitched than Zelda's, which is VERY high. And 'hologram'? No, it's more than just an illusion. Shiek has abilities Zelda does not have; he can jump insanely high, vanish like crazy ninja, and that's not even the beginning of all his unique powers shown off in SSBM. You wouldn't see Zelda doing any of that normally. It's more than just a disguise, there's some physical change in there, so why not just say she turns into a guy? [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of things seem to point to at least an androgynous character.

Or is it just not nice for some people to think of the lovely Zelda as being a boy? Pshaw. XP

[SOAP]

An androgynous character maybe. But there'd be no pont in Zelda actually going alll the way. Unless she was trying to be realistic... She just wants to look enough like a boy to avoid Ganon's detection.

[Fyxe]

Well I suppose it would depend on the magic. Maybe changing gender would actually be less complex and less difficult to keep active than changing to an androgynous character. Male and females are two sides of one coin, finding something inbetween could be slightly more difficult to pull off.

The suggestion appears to be that from just looking at Shiek, (s)he appears to be more male than female. Whether this extends to sexual organs is anyone's guess. Although, to be quite blunt, why the heck not, eh? I think Zelda would rather be in a body that has everything there, whether male or female, than not.

Personally, I see that if the rest of her is masculine in form, then we might as well assume all of her is. But I suppose it comes down to opinion. I just try not to make things up, if the game is suggesting she's male when she's Shiek, then I'll just go with it and say he's male.

What was Sheik in the manga, again? Male or female?

[Kairu Hakubi]

male, if you're thinking of the same manga i am.

[Fyxe]

SSBM is *Nintendo* canon. It may not be canon when it comes to storyline, but the characters in it are directly based on the characters from the individual games. Luigi jumps higher than Mario, Bowser breaths fire, etc. Thus, there's nothing wrong with the idea that Sheik is essentially much faster and more agile than Zelda.

My exact point was that just changing your appearance wouldn't change Zelda's abilities, so Zelda changes more than her appearance. She becomes a Sheikah.

I seriously doubt Zelda can perform the abilities Sheik has without first transforming. I just don't see it happening.

[Overconfidence]

Err, in the pictures that Tekky posted, Sheik sure does look like a guy.

[Fyxe]

Well i could always argue that Zelda wears a fat ass dress and sheik wears a skin tight cat suit. If you raced maurice greene against himself in a dress who do you think would win? I have no doubt Sheik is probably faster but i like to see all points of view.

Well, I'll conceed that a dress would hamper her movement, but not THAT much. She changes from being probably the most agile character in the game to one of the least.

Also, isn't Shiek heavier than Zelda?

As for the manga, it is an 'official' manga (the one on the site is, anyway). This doesn't mean it's canon; obviously it has it's own plot based closely on the games, but on issues like how Ganondorf attacked the castle (Stalfos and stuff) and whether Zelda is male or female as Shiek, it could be argued that the manga is a useful source for information.

You know, I bet if you asked most Japanese people if Shiek is male or female they'd almost all say male. Characters like Shiek and magical gender switching are fairly common in Japanese animation and games.

[Kairu Hakubi]

the really funny thing is theyre probably basing that on fall-rate in SSBM.. which is considered 'weight' despite that two items of the same weight fall at the same rate. XD

[Fyxe]

I wouldnt call it a usefull source of information but more as something to backup your opinion. How would you know Sheik is heavier than Zelda? SSBM? I still dont consider that canon, its just a fighting game if i wanted (which i dont) Id argue Soul Calibur was canon. It got the Ninty stamp of approval.

Nintendo MADE Super Smash Bros. Melee, for Sacred Realm's sake. Slightly different to Soul Calibur II, in that respects. Although I might argue that Link's abilties in Soul Calibur II are very closely modelled on his inate abilities anyway, along with his weapons.

As I already said, SSBM isn't 'canon' when it comes to story (duh), but if Nintendo gives Link or whoever certain attibutes in the game they must of done it for a REASON. It's not like they randomly gave the characters whatever the heck they wanted. Each character in the game is based intently on their previous appearances in other games, and some characters have even borrowed things from their appearance in SSBM for later games.

So, if they made Sheik heavier than Zelda, then I think it's safe to assume Shiek IS heavier than Zelda. Bowser's heavier than Mario in SSBM, right? By your arguement that doesn't mean anything because SSBM isn't canon.

Even though Bowser is *clearly* heavier anyway.

I must point out I don't actually *know* if Shiek is heavier than Zelda in SSBM, I'd have to check, but I think he is.
Fall-rate doesn't mean anything when it comes to weight. In the original SSB, Samus has one of the slowest fall rates, but is one of the heaviest characters. But her fall rate is based on the games, where Samus has always traditionally fell quite slowly thanks to her suit.

On the subject of Samus, I must point out that SSBM was the first time it was confirmed that Samus was an orphan and that she was raised by the Chozo, before Metroid Fusion also indicated later. Just an example that just because SSBM isn't exactly 'canon' doesn't mean it should be ignored.

I don't think you should discount SSBM as a source.

[D~N]

in ssbm, the falling rate is based on speed, thats why ppl like cap. falcon and fox fall incredibly fast, so falling has nothing to do with wieght in ssbm. Asllo, I believe that shiek is just supposed to show that zelda is in disguise from ganon and shouldn't be looked into that deeply, however, if I had to vote, I side with the 'still a girl, but disguised AS a boy' side.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

Maybe, she's a two-spirit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_spirit