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[Zythe]

When I was playing FSA earlier, I noticed that in the Dark World (Sacred Realm) the Four Sword Sanctuary is in the same position as the Castle/Pyramid of Power/Palace of the Four Sword. That alone, is proof that, relating to the timeline, FS and LTTP and HA take place on the same country, if you use New Hyrule theories

TMC has a very similar shrine, in the middle of the castle too, but it's different and claimed as being in The Minish Realm. This could mean too things, that the Ancient Sages built the FS Shrine of latter adventures on the original or they're one in the same, meaning the Minish are the Sacred Realm's natural people that we just never see.

Also, when describing the Four Sword in HA it sounds almost identical in properties to the Master Sword. Could they be of similar origins, seeing as the Ancient Sages (says OoT) built the Temple of Light in the Sacred Realm.

Comments?

[MikePetersSucks]

When I was playing FSA earlier, I noticed that in the Dark World (Sacred Realm) the Four Sword Sanctuary is in the same position as the Castle/Pyramid of Power/Palace of the Four Sword. That alone, is proof that, relating to the timeline, FS and LTTP and HA take place on the same country, if you use New Hyrule theories

um....ok.

TMC has a very similar shrine, in the middle of the castle too, but it's different and claimed as being in The Minish Realm. This could mean too things, that the Ancient Sages built the FS Shrine of latter adventures on the original or they're one in the same, meaning the Minish are the Sacred Realm's natural people that we just never see.

well, duh.

Also, when describing the Four Sword in HA it sounds almost identical in properties to the Master Sword. Could they be of similar origins, seeing as the Ancient Sages (says OoT) built the Temple of Light in the Sacred Realm.

Obviously, they are of similar origin. Hell, it's possible that the two swords are ONE depending on the timeline.

[Zythe]

Don't "well duh" me. There are lots of people who don't think that.

Anyway, I also did toy with the same-sword theory. We know for sure that the FS is at least the WS.

[Vazor]

I highly doubt that the Master Sword and Four Sword are one in the same, as we see the Four Sword in Minish Cap, then later the Master Sword in Ocarina of Time (which didn't split you into four), and later we see the Four Sword in FS/FSA, and later we see The Master Sword (not quad-splitting) in LTTP. (Also, this might not count, but later in the Four Swords level in the LTTP pyramid, we see the four sword, which is plainly not the MS as we saw that sword earlier in the game).
I believe that they are just two swords with similar properties. Plain and simple.

[Hero of Winds]

I think TMC has erased all doubt of the Four Sword and the Master Sword being one in the same. The Four Sword was created by Link, by infusing the four elements into his sword. Whereas the Master Sword was forged by Hylians... or something. The ALttP manual isn't very clear on that.

[Zythe]

Wasn's the Four Sword around in the time of the Hero of Man, and was given to him by The Minish (who, if they are inhabitants of the Sacred Realm) would be doing it on behalf of the goddesses?

What do people think on the Minish Realm = Sacred Realm thing?

[Tri-Enforcer]

I don't know if the Minish Realm is the same as the Sacred Realm. After all, The Sacred Realm/Dark World is supposed to be a backwards version of the Light World. That doesn't seem to be the case of the Minish Realm. Also, your image is supposed to change when you enter the Sacred Realm (unless you have a moonpearl).

[Zythe]

No. That was after Ganon corrupted it. The Sacred Realm is just a holy equivalent of the regular world. Like at the end of TMC, you go in the FS Shrine and it's all messed up. Whether the two shrines (FS/HA and TMC) are the same or not, they both seem to exist in the Sacred Realm.

Remember in LTTP, when you go to the FSS its inside Ganon's Pyramid, where the castle would be.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Not just a holy equivalent, it's also an opposite of the Light World. I don't know about people changing in the Sacred Realm after Ganon, but even before Ganon--the Sacred Realm has always been the opposite of the Light World--it doesn't appear that way for the Minish Realm.

[Zythe]

It was never an opposite. Only in LTTP (and HA) it serves as an opposite. It was always the plane where the Triforce landed, and was made holy, and locked away by the Ancient Sages. If in FSDS, we get something like "Ganon made use of the 100-year-portal" and travelled to the Minish Realm, where the Triforce had made its home", or something, then we'd have proof.

[Zythe]

Could there be a reason that these new Zeldas all feature the Four Sword? Is there something Master Sword is serving to do? Or is it just tying in with the "Forever" at the end of LTTP?

Would the Master Sword be strong enough to kill Vaati?

[Tri-Enforcer]

Let's say that the Minish Realm is the Sacred Realm and that it houses the Triforce. Considering that it opens every one hundred years, that offers another way to enter the Sacred Realm other than removal of the Master Sword from the Temple of Time or use of the Magic Mirror/Moon Pearl. Here's a nice little connection between MC and FSA, perhaps Ganon was using Vaati to get into Minish/Sacred Realm. Considering that Vaati himself is a Minish--he would know when the door opens or perhaps other means into to the realm.

The only problem with this is that moonpearls appear to be quite common to come by in FSA, and a magic mirror isn't even required to enter the Dark World, let alone a door that opens every 100 years--so why not just have Ganon nab a moonpearl? That's why some have theorized that FSA could be further along the timeline, sometime after LTTP, because access and travel into the Dark World seems more common and easily accesible.

Going into OOT a little (actually after it). If the Minish/Sacred Realm are the same, maybe Ganon came across the hundred year door quite sometime after his plans were thwarted when the Hero of Time returned to the past.

[Zythe]

Or maybe that's how Ganon escaped the Sacred Realm after OoT.

[MikePetersSucks]

OOOooooooo.....creepy! O.o and no doubt, the MS could kill Vaati, it's evil's bane -.-; and yea, there's the whole Forever thing.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Or maybe that's how Ganon escaped the Sacred Realm after OoT.

Yeah it could work either way.

[Zythe]

I hate to say it, but if the Minish Realm and the Sacred Realm are the same thing, then the Light Force probably is the Triforce.

[lord-of-shadow]

You seem to have developed an obsession with ignoring my evidence against the Light Force and the Triforce being the same, Zythe

We know for sure that the FS is at least the WS.

Oh do we now? You don't know it "for sure", it is just a conclusion, possibly erroneous, that you have reached.

And there is the fact that the White Sword in LoZ *gasp* doesn't split Link in four. Personally, I doubt they're the same.

[Zythe]

Of course, los. They named them both White Sword to confuse us. They're all out to get us, aren't they?

Could the reason *shock horror* that it doesn't split Link three, be because there are no cloning pads? I believe it could be. Score one for Zythe.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Of course, los. They named them both White Sword to confuse us. They're all out to get us, aren't they?

Could the reason *shock horror* that it doesn't split Link three, be because there are no cloning pads? I believe it could be. Score one for Zythe.

They may not even be the FS, since it doesn't require cloning pads to clone.

[Fatgoron]

The four sword in FS and HA both created three copies of link without cloning pads.
Assuming TMC is before LoZ and that there is a single white sword, we have the problem of the four sword somehow being drained of its power to split its wielder into four.
Nintendo still have to address the issue of the four sword changing from requiring the pads, to working entirely by itself.

I don't think the two white swords are the same. One (the LoZ one) has a blue hilt, grip and guard. The guard turns down towards the hilt at the ends.
http://www.zeldauniv...p?page=z12items
The white sword from TMC looks like the four sword, the closest resemblance being the third version with three elements, which has the upturned guard.

The Picori blade goes from being the picori blade, to the white sword, and then on to becoming the four sword within the time it takes for the events of TMC to occur.
If it was the same sword, then either the white sword becomes the picori blade, then the white swords from TMC, then the four sword; or the picori blade becomes the white sword> four sword> white sword again. The sword itself has been infused with the four elements.
The only reasoning behind saying the sword became less powerful, that I could concieve of that is supported by the established canon, would be the weakened seal in FS being construed as a symptom of the sword's power being gradually weakened.

[Hero of Winds]

And there is the fact that the White Sword in LoZ *gasp* doesn't split Link in four. Personally, I doubt they're the same.

I agree. There's also the fact that the White Sword (in TMC) was created from the Picori Blade, and then transformed into the Four Sword. So there wouldn't be any White Sword left over for LoZ.

[Zythe]

There's going to be a whole series of FS games. At least one more, FSDS. Who knows what's to happen. No, I'm not fanficcing, it's no different to the theories you all had about "someone pulling the sword out of Ganon's head", relating to TWW's ending.

The fact that it's merely the White Sword again means nothing anyway. In TWW and OoA, the use of the Master Sword has drained its powers. That's right, I'm using OoA as a key factor. No. It wasn't just an easter egg. Shut up.

[Hero of Winds]

There's going to be a whole series of FS games. At least one more, FSDS. Who knows what's to happen. No, I'm not fanficcing, it's no different to the theories you all had about "someone pulling the sword out of Ganon's head", relating to TWW's ending.

The fact that it's merely the White Sword again means nothing anyway. In TWW and OoA, the use of the Master Sword has drained its powers. That's right, I'm using OoA as a key factor. No. It wasn't just an easter egg. Shut up.

First off, I don't use the "someone pulled the MS out of Ganon's head" theory. In fact, I agree with you: after TWW, the Master Sword corroded (or something like that) and broke off, floating to Labrynna where Oracles Link would find it.

But the fact of the matter is, you can't use future games as justification for your theory, not even Four Swords DS. As of right now, the White Sword in TMC is different from the White Sword in LoZ. You know perfectly well that Flagship reuses names from past Zelda games. Look at Oracles, look at TMC. It's far more feasible that this is just another recycled name rather than a connection to an 18-year-old game.

[Fatgoron]

The fact that it's merely the White Sword again means nothing anyway. In TWW and OoA, the use of the Master Sword has drained its powers. That's right, I'm using OoA as a key factor. No. It wasn't just an easter egg. Shut up.

By OoA do you mean the smashed sword that gets repaired at the restoration wall?

[Zythe]

First off, I don't use the "someone pulled the MS out of Ganon's head" theory. In fact, I agree with you: after TWW, the Master Sword corroded (or something like that) and broke off, floating to Labrynna where Oracles Link would find it.

But the fact of the matter is, you can't use future games as justification for your theory, not even Four Swords DS. As of right now, the White Sword in TMC is different from the White Sword in LoZ. You know perfectly well that Flagship reuses names from past Zelda games. Look at Oracles, look at TMC. It's far more feasible that this is just another recycled name rather than a connection to an 18-year-old game.

Wow. We agree at least on TWW-OoA connection.

If that's the case, then I hereby use my considerable lack of influence to henceforth ban Flasgship from ever helping make a Zelda game again. They try, but in turn screw it up more.

By OoA do you mean the smashed sword that gets repaired at the restoration wall?

Yes. The noble sword. It is "sharpened" into the Master Sword, by Zora royalty. It makes sense that an old Zora would have it, if after TWW it broke out of Ganon's head when he corroded or whatever and then the Zora found it. Note the Zora is old. Note that TWW (most likely) happened a long time before OoA.

[Tri-Enforcer]

The Magic Mirror was used to transport you out of the Dark World, it does not give you access to the Dark World.

Moonpearls might be quite common to come by in FSA to get access to the Dark World, but there are many warping points in A link to the Past as well that can send a hero to the Dark World.

Now I have a question. Where is this door that opens every hundred years to the Sacred Realm/Golden Land/Dark World? Unless this is something that comes from the Minish Cap, I fail to remember any hundred year gateway to the Sacred Realm. Or maybe you were trying to make a connection between the Minish Realm and the Sacred Realm. I might have a little trouble understanding your post because I haven't played the Minish Cap yet, but perhaps you can explain it to me.

In the Minish Cap a door to the Minish Realm opens every hundred years. The game is centered around this event occuring.

If you were even following this thread, Zythe brought up the possibility of the Minish Realm being the same as the Sacred Realm. I do not feel that they are the same. Being hypothetical, I was just bringing up certain possibilities that could be used if the Minish/Sacred Realm were the same. But I really don't believe they are.

[Zythe]

But they could be. It's not fanficcing to say they are. It does tie up loose ends. Too bad TMC only made more loose ends than anyone could handle...