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[Selena]

Pretty much. Jaime's hatred and distrust of Cersei is even more prominent in the books, specifically becaRuse he is reminded of the Mad King. I usually don't buy into all those "Secret Targaryen" theories, but Cersei's behavior alone is why I suspect that she and Jaime are actually Aerys' bastards. There were in-universe rumors that Aerys slept with their mother before Tywin. Jaime and Cersei perfectly represent the "two heads" of the Targaryen coin thing. Jaime is proud but fairly sensible when removed from her influences. She's a paranoid nutjob who likes burning things and has only ever been legitimately attracted to other (potential) Targaryens.

 

 

 

Predictions about the Endgame Seasons:

 

Hopefully they won't make Dany go for the Iron Islands first. She should base herself in Dragonstone and then land her army in the Stormlands while she still has the advantage of surprise. But there's also two more seasons and the writers fuck around, so they might have her focus solely on Euron in Season 7. Which would be disappointing. 

 

* Sansa will agree to marry Littlefinger, then immediately kill him to seize control of the Vale. Moon door?

* Cersei will almost immediately push troops up to retake the North.

* That'll create big battles in the Riverlands..... again.

* Jon and Sansa will put Edmure back in charge. North / Vale / Riverlands triple alliance.

 

* They then plan on accomplishing Robb's old goal of sacking Casterly Rock to cut off Cersei's reinforcements.

* For the sake of diplomacy, Dany may send Tyrion to help them. Mutual goals, after all.

 

* Arya reunites with her direwolf.

* I SWEAR TO GOD, IF THEY JUST WRITE NYMERIA OUT, I'LL BE PISSED.

* She might kill Melisandre, as she was technically on her list.

* Same with Beric and Thoros. 

* Awkward encounter with the Hound as a result, but probably won't end in violence.

* I think it's inevitable that she ends up joining Jon and Sansa in the Riverlands.

 

* Cersei's court unravels day by day.

* Paranoid of plots within, but she's also distracted by a two-front war with Jon/Sansa in the north and Dany in the south.

* She sends troops to the Riverlands and starts to lose.

* She sends troops to Dorne, meets heavy resistance, then Reach knights close in from the rear and mow everyone down.

* Dany pushes north to King's Landing.

* Peasants start revolting.

* She threatens to burn them all with wildfire.

* Jaime has to kill her. 

* Pretty sure he'll commit suicide or she'll shank him in the process.

 

* Dany reaches King's Landing, only to find it a burned out ruin (her vision in the house of undying)

 

* Bran's "mark" allows the White Walkers to break the Wall and invade Westeros.

* Total battle between humanity and the White Walkers.

* Sam's role will probably be finding out what their weaknesses are.

* Still have a feeling Dany will die and Jon will end up taking over for her.

* Especially since she's sterile; couldn't continue the line if she wanted.

* Tyrion becomes Lord of the Westerlands.

* Brienne becomes the first lady commander of the Kingsguard / Queensguard.

 

* Gendry finds his way to Westeros.

[Twinrova]

Very sad they killed off Marge. I wanted to see her wreck shit. >:/ And did Varys learn how to fucking apparate?? How did he get down to Dorne and then back to Meereen so fucking fast lmao. I know they're not gonna waste precious show time on showing the characters traveling but that was just absurd.

 

 

 

Have they touched on Dany's fertility at all in the show, at least other than Mirri Maz Duur's 'prophecy'? Because it's heavily hinted at that Dany had a miscarriage at the end of ADWD so she's not sterile. She might not be able to actually carry a baby to term though, idk.

 

And of course they're gonna forget about Nymeria. Gotta save the CGI budget for the stupid dragons. >.>

 

 

If Sansa marries LF (BARFS FOR ALL ETERNITY THINKING ABOUT THEIR WEDDING NIGHT) and kills him, wouldn't the Vale go to Robert instead since he's the next male heir? Idk the rules of succession confuse me.

 

 

I'm super on board with Jaime being the valonqar. Please oh please give me this. ;o;

Edited by Twinrova, 27 June 2016 - 11:52 PM.

[Selena]

Robin would be the heir by law, but I'm pretty sure he's gon' die. That's why Littlefinger's having Sansa seduce the "backup heir" in the books, but that character doesn't exist on the show, so the show writers might just bypass proper succession rights. Like in the same way that Cersei is not legally entitled to be queen right now. Rule of cool. I'm sure the books will play out differently. Sansa has one of the most altered storylines in the adaptation, so her path to the fixed ending is a little all over the place.

 

Either way, I don't expect Littlefinger to stay loyal for more than five minutes, so Sansa will have to do something to get the Vale under control before he backstabs them.

 

I think they're really gonna play up the Mad Queen Cersei elements of Feast for Crows in Season 7, and the appropriate friction with Jaime. They mostly bypassed it on the show due to the weird ass way they handled the aftermath of the Purple Wedding. I always thought it was fitting that Jaime would do it. 

 

I don't know about Dany's fertility. The show doesn't address it much and seems to hint toward infertility. The books are more vague. Even if she can get pregnant, she might not be able to carry to term (a problem for more Targaryens than just her). Maybe, I guess, but.... ehh. I just feel like something bittersweet will happen with her. Being Queen of Westeros feels like too happy an ending.

[Masamune]

Dany doesn't need to get pregnant, her heir is exactly where she needs him to be.

 

I doubt Jon can have any kids, either. I mean, he's come back in pretty good condition for a corpse, but I just don't see him being able to produce any seed or grow any older in his present state. 

 

I really do wonder how Arya and the Brotherhood is gonna go down. Thoros and Beric got put on her list for selling Gendry, but nothing nearly as heinous as anything others did. I sort of see them reconciling a bit, with Arya taking the position Lady Stoneheart did in trying to clean up the Riverlands but with far more emphasis on revenge. 

 

With Cersei's kids all dead, the heir would've been Stannis and Shireen, who are also dead. That really leaves Dany as the actual legitimate heir to the throne now (she had a claim before, but the Targaryens were knocked down in the succession before). I know some fans have tried tracing out the line of succession and I think the Estermonts would be Baratheon heirs and eventually I think even the Tarths, though I don't expect we'll be seeing Brienne on the Iron Throne any time soon.

 

My prediction is Dany's invasion is going to cause more harm than good (Daario saying he pitied the lords of westeros rang very true here). Her final heroic arc will be fighting the Others, perhaps sacrificing herself to save humanity. But likewise, I just don't really see her (or Jon for that matter) staying on the Iron Throne, if it even exists by the end of the story. 

[Jasi]

If Sansa marries LF (BARFS FOR ALL ETERNITY THINKING ABOUT THEIR WEDDING NIGHT) and kills him, wouldn't the Vale go to Robert instead since he's the next male heir? Idk the rules of succession confuse me.

 

 

Robin would be the heir by law, but I'm pretty sure he's gon' die. That's why Littlefinger's having Sansa seduce the "backup heir" in the books, but that character doesn't exist on the show, so the show writers might just bypass proper succession rights. Like in the same way that Cersei is not legally entitled to be queen right now. Rule of cool. 

 

Am I missing something? Robin's not the heir, because Robin is already Lord of the Vale right now.He has been ever since S1E1.

 

Robin is definitely gonna die. He hasn't reproduced so he doesn't have an heir of his own. Next up would be an uncle or cousin (male, obvs), but from a quick glance at the wiki, all the other Arryns are dead. So once Robin dies, the Vale would be basically up for grabs since everyone anyone cares about is dead. Sansa would have an appealing but unofficial claim to the throne, which, yes, is the same as the Iron Throne situation right now.

[Selena]

Er, yes, poor wording on my part. I think I accidentally used "heir" because he's not old enough to properly rule it alone yet (thus Littlefinger currently ruling as steward/castellan). It's like that stage in Crusader Kings II where your ruler is too young to do anything and won't officially take over for a few more years. Robin has no cousins / indirect successor on the TV show. There's room for Littlefinger to seize power if he dies -- in the same not-really-legal way that Cersei has.

 

He either: 

1) Marries Sansa to Robin, then kills the kid shortly thereafter. This would make Sansa the new Lysa.

2) Kills Robin first, then marries Sansa himself. He directly gains more power.

 

It could easily be a messy subplot. Book!Sansa's story is deeply tied into the Vale succession crisis, where Littlefinger is obviously trying to seize control of the Vale and then (likely) fabricate a claim on the North via Sansa's lineage. Lots of people are expecting book!Sansa to murder Littlefinger and somehow gain control of the Vale. The show has taken Sansa in a very different direction, but they'll still have to incorporate her book!conclusion. The transition might involve bending the rules. Like with Cersei. 

 

Given that Sweetrobin's gon' die, I'm not sure how else they'd resolve the Vale crisis. Especially given his lack of successors on the show.

 

 

 

 

 

That's a good point about Jon, Masa. Lord of Light Resurrection Technology seems to have restored full body functionality, but I don't know how that would impact reproduction. The Targaryen line is limited to a zombie half-breed and a potentially barren, cursed fire queen. Probably gives more credence to the "no more monarchy / the Iron Throne is irrelevant" ending of the show. 

 

Arya taking over the Lady Stoneheart plot would be fun. She may even go after Brienne, given what happened with the Hound. No idea what the Hound will end up doing in the final seasons. Hopefully he'll get to just build a cabin somewhere and be happy.

[Masamune]

Er, yes, poor wording on my part. I think I accidentally used "heir" because he's not old enough to properly rule it alone yet (thus Littlefinger currently ruling as steward/castellan). It's like that stage in Crusader Kings II where your ruler is too young to do anything and won't officially take over for a few more years. Robin has no cousins / indirect successor on the TV show. There's room for Littlefinger to seize power if he dies -- in the same not-really-legal way that Cersei has.

 

Regency. aka the point where your entire kingdom rebels and your Councillors steal all your titles. Always choose your regents well. 

[Jasi]

you guys are gonna send me into a CKII relapse, and in the middle of a Skyrim relapse too.

[Selena]

My old saves for the Game of Thrones mod are no longer compatible with the current version of CKII, so it looks like I'm gonna have to go make a new Valyrian Empire again!

 

 

I would also like to point out that I really want Dany to get some legitimate armor for -- at the very least -- when she's riding Drogon. I know she likes her elaborate dresses, but come on. One stray arrow and it's all over. You're a warrior queen, Daenerys. Act like it.

[Masamune]

I relapse into CK2 like once a month. I flip flop between GoT and vanilla. Sighs and goes to boot it up.

[Sir Turtlelot]

Finally got around to watching the finale today, and holy crap was it good. Honestly, it had the complete opposite effect from Season 5's finale, where I was becoming a little apathetic towards the show, whereas now I'm ecstatic for Season 7. I totally saw the Sept's destruction, as well as Tommen's suicide, coming a mile away, but it didn't change just how fucking incredible the scene was. It's a shame that the alliance between the Faith and the Crown was so short lived, since I thought it had potential, but frankly seeing Cersei as the Mad Queen is so much better. I agree with the notion that Jaime will end up killing her, as it seems like the most likely scenario, given her likeness to the Mad King now.

 

As for the remaining Seasons, it seems that Season 7 will be Cersei waging a 2 front war against Dany & Jon, with Season 8 being the war against the White Walkers. I'm going to go ahead and call the Season 7 finale being the episode where they finally cross the wall. As for more specific predictions, I think Lena's predictions seem the most likely to me going forward. Either way, I'm just excited to see what happens next.

 

Also, it's good to know we're getting two more shortened seasons in. I had been under the impression we only had one season left, which was also going to be shortened, and I was really concerned about how they planned to finish the show without rushing everything.

[JRPomazon]

I was hoping we'd finish up the series with one last season, stretching it out to two might be too much but I suppose we'll see. As for the finale, you can't ask for better television. Everything that episode had to offer was good, poignant and memorable. The next seasons have a lot to hold up to.

 

Obviously Cersei is jumping the Lannister shark here. She has the Iron Throne, all her enemies are slain in King's Landing and she's the most powerful woman in Westeros. Only one way to go but down from here. Will Jaime be the one to do her in? I suppose it would make for a poetic scene in the end but honestly I'm not expecting much from such a development from happening. It seems too easy but again, we'll have to see. But Jon being crowned the second king of the North bodes poorly for house Stark. Definitely going to be some tension between himself and Sansa, possibly sides could further divide them and create just enough chaos to keep things interesting but ultimately infuriating in the North.

 

And Bran will fuck everything up. He will, I shit you not, ruin every last plan and contingency currently in place by all the other characters. He will, without a doubt be the cause of immense and terrible suffering and it will be all his fault. 

 

Dany vs. Euron 2017: Showdown on the high seas.

[SteveT]

Obviously Cersei is jumping the Lannister shark here. She has the Iron Throne, all her enemies are slain in King's Landing and she's the most powerful woman in Westeros.

 

Let's not overstate things.  She's the most powerful woman in the King's Landing.

The thing about Cersei is that she think's she's Tywin.  She thought this was her Red Wedding, or her Rains of Castemere, a brutal extermination of her enemies that cemented her power.  But she never understood why those worked, except her basic understanding that fear = power.  The destruction of House Reyne showed that Tywin was a brutal show of force, yes, but it served long-term purposes.  It showed that House Lannister was no longer a house to fuck with after Tytos had lost all respect from his vassals, and solidified Tywin's reputation.  The Red Wedding ending a rebellion and resulted in Joffrey replacing House Stark with House Bolton, someone the Crown could work with (as long as, for example, Ramsay could be brought to heel).

 

What did the sept explosion do?  It showed Cersei as someone who would rather inflict mass murder than face the consequences of her actions, someone whose doesn't care about collateral damage as long as she gets what she wants, someone who murders any and all perceived threats, and who doesn't give a quack about succession law.  What kind of queen is that and who would follower her?  She's not only a kinslayer, but she assassinated the High Septon (who she appointed in another short-sighted move that blew up in her face) along with a High Lord (Tyrell) and his children, the heir to Highgarden and the actual bloody-flipping queen.  It's no coincidence that they took a moment in this episode for Cersei to point out everything she does is driven by impulse and hedonism.

 

And look at the state of the world.  Iron Islands: in rebellion.  North: In rebellion again.  Dorne: In rebelloin.  Stormlands: Don't get talked about much, but they were just in rebellion and most of the army died in the North.  Riverlands: Rebellion quelled, but just lost its (new) High Lord and probably the backing of House Lannister based on the way Jaime was looking at Lord Frey.  The Vale: Just joined the North's rebellion.  The Reach: Olenna knows what Cersei did.  Westerlands: Loyal.

 

Of the Seven Kingdoms, how many are loyal to her?  How many armies can she effectively raise?  One and a half, and Jaime the Kingslayer, who is now a High Lord as far as I can tell, doesn't take kindly to insane despots who ignite caches of wildfire underneath the city.  And it's not even public knowledge that she destroyed the sept yet.  Would Olenna Tyrell even have to try at all to convince the rest of the world that Tommen was pushed?

 

So yeah, Cersei is sure sitting on that Iron Throne.  Cersei Lannister, Queen of One and a Half kingdoms, For Now.

[Selena]

I'd like the war for the Iron Throne to be over by the end of season 7, capped off with Cersei (and likely Jaime's) deaths, but it sounds like all the "big" characters have had their contracts renewed through all of season 8. That may be misleading, though. The show runners will likely film both seasons at the same time due to their limited runs. 

 

It's only a matter of time before Cersei meets her bitter end. I anticipate the peasants will revolt after the bulk of her army is inevitably defeated. She might burn the city down. Or the peasants might be successful in their revolt and burn down the Red Keep on their own -- like that revolt during the Targaryen civil war, where peasants ended up killing several dragons and caused major damage to the King's Landing dragon pit. Or a bit of both, perhaps. 

 

Starvation and rioting in King's Landing has been foreshadowed since season 2. The Tyrells point out that since the Lannisters blew through the capital's food reserves fighting their wars, the Tyrells would "happily!" provide some of their harvests to cover the loss. With House Tyrell pulling their support after the Sept bombing, no more food reserves from Highgarden right as winter starts to set in. The Reach is probably the only region still capable of growing enough food to sustain the other kingdoms (until deep winter sets in). 

 

 

Even if Cersei doesn't bite the dust in the S7 finale, I'd at least hope the Wall comes down by then. 

 

I imagine they'll use Bran's "mark" as the means to do it. I hope the book version handles some of these endgame storylines with a little more grace and complexity. I'm still let down by the White Walker origin story.

 

 

 

 

I also hope scruffy Jaime comes back, because boy did he look better with longer hair and a beard.

[Crimson Lego]

Apparently HBO is sending Ramin Djawadi and an orchestra around North America for a GOT concert tour: http://www.ew.com/ar...cert-tour-dates

 

 

 

The Toronto date is in March and I'm seriously considering getting a ticket for it, but I did say the same thing about that Zelda 30th Anniversary concert 4 years ago and never ended up going. So we'll see, but it's certainly very tempting.

[Jasi]

Now if only they would use actual musicians to perform the soundtrack in the show itself!