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#1 Kisseena

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 07:05 PM

Would you consider a dark denim skirt and a nice blouse appropriate to go to a professional setting?

I have a practicum and go to a 5th grade classroom a lot of the time, but I don't teach or anything tomorrow, I just observe and maybe help some students if needed. 

One time the classroom teacher wore dark skinny jeans, so I feel like a jean skirt would be nicer.

 

No one at school can give me a legit answer, so I'm gonna go to you guys who have probably been in more professional settings than I have. What do you think?

 

Should I put it on and model for you guys?

 

This is the exact skirt:

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 07:09 PM

I'd prefer my kids teacher to wear that.over skinny Jeans. any day.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 08:56 PM

Denim in a professional setting doesn't quite seem right to me. XD but hey. Middle America could be different.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:00 PM

I'd say khaki is a lot more professional than denim, yeah.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:09 PM

I don't have khaki though. They don't make skirts like that, at least I haven't seen any that are decently priced. :C

I just want to wear a longer skirt since it will be a little bit chilly tomorrow morning and it's a long walk over there. XD

My denim ones are the only ones I have left.

 

 

 

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:05 PM

If you want to be professional, be professional. And denim is never more than creative/casual/hollywood professional, and a denim skirt is never professional. You are not in that setting. So don't half-ass it.

 

Shave your legs. (Yes, it's totally unfair that dudes don't have to shave body hair and girls do, but sometimes you just have to play the game)

 

Wear a skirt like this:

 

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(actually that blouse isn't bad either)

 

Looking professional takes some time and effort. But it means that people will take you more seriously. And in this job market, you need every advantage you can possibly get. You'll also feel more confident knowing your appearance says "Take me seriously, I'm here to do my job."



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:25 AM

Okaaaaay, I'll wear another skirt.

Except not pencil, I can't pull that off cuz I got dat booty.

I've been there plenty of times, and I usually look pretty dang cute, at least compared to what I *usually* look like.

 

EXHIBIT A:

(this was taken the night before so my hair's a hot mess)

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EXHIBIT B:

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I GOT DIS, GUYS.

 

EDIT: What I usually look like:

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(Okay, not really. I just wanted to post that. XD)


Edited by Kisseena, 25 September 2013 - 12:30 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:47 AM

The skirt in A is really nice if you pair it with a top that wasn't tiedye vomit. XD

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:09 AM

It's not tye-dye vomit! It's pink paisley! 



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:03 AM

what about A skirt and B top? but maybe either tucked in or with a belt or something over the top. I don't think it'd look right with just that shirt over the top of that skirt.

Edited by frogmonkeys, 25 September 2013 - 02:05 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:07 AM

Well those are not my only clothes. I mis-match them from time to time. 

Top B is extremely wrinkled and I'm too exhausted to iron it right now, so I'm not gonna wear it tomorrow. XD



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:08 AM

Clearly top C.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:01 AM

I kind of... disagree with everybody else. I think a denim skirt would be totally fine. And it would look great with the pink paisley top.

It's a bit casual, but it's not TOO casual. I think it's appropriate. It's exactly what I would expect a teacher, or an observing student teacher, to be wearing. It's not like you need to be wearing a fancy business pantsuit.

Edited by Hana-Nezumi, 25 September 2013 - 05:04 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:50 AM

I'm a teacher* and I wear jeans.

 

Results are what matter, not my trousers.

 

Although, by that logic, I don't need trousers at all. Hmmm.

 

 

 

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:14 AM

Dark denim falls under the umbrella of business casual these days, which is where I feel teachers fall. That said, I don't like your denim skirt at all so don't wear it. :P



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:21 AM

That's my favorite skirt thoooough. :(

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:36 AM

Well I think it's cute.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:40 AM

wear it just to spite him.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 09:22 AM

Denim skirts are rather unfashionable to be honest. Short denim skirts kind of had their day in the 2000s and they have not come back. Longer denim skirts I don't think have ever been fashionable...I've only seen them worn by people who are part of a religious group that's very strict about what women can wear. If you don't care about that, that's your prerogative of course, but really, I would never recommend someone wear one, haha. I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings; I am just trying to be helpful.

 

Speaking more specifically about THAT denim skirt, I think the embellishments on the pockets make it very very casual, moreso than it would be if it did not have embellishments, so I am not sure if it's appropriate for a classroom. 

 

I like both your other outfits better, although the shinies on the 2nd skirt make it a little less professional too. I'd also tuck the shirt in.

 

I teach college courses and I've had the "what to wear when you teach" conversation many times with many of my colleagues. It's a little different teaching at a university versus a public school but it partly comes down to your personality. I dress very professionally because I have a bubbly classroom personality, I'm short, I'm female, and I'm very young to be teaching college courses (a sizable number of my students are older than me) and my face shows it. All of these things take away from my authority in the classroom, like it or not. By dressing professionally and putting in more effort to my preparation than my students, I gain some authority over them just visually. I believe that anyway. I feel like if I wore jeans and no makeup and looked sloppy, I'd look like their friends, and they wouldn't respect me as much. However, some people with more stern personalities, are taller, look older, etc. I think can easily get away dressing casually in the classroom. But I usually wear dress pants or a pencil skirt, a nice well-fitting blouse, maybe a blazer, and always heels.

 

Who knows. You should definitely wear what you are comfortable in (within reason). But sometimes erring on the side of more professional can be advantageous.

 

edit: oh, and regarding it being cold, get some opaque black tights! They even make fleece-lined ones that are super warm. I live in these things.


Edited by Jasi, 26 September 2013 - 09:27 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:29 AM

Results are what matter, not my trousers.

 

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:34 AM

It's true that results are more important than your wardrobe, but what you wear can impact those results. That people judge others based on appearance is an indisputable and unavoidable fact. Believe me that I have gotten many borderline-disrespectful or outright disrespectful comments from my students about my age and it would only be exasperated if I taught class in skinny jeans and a band t-shirt.


Edited by Jasi, 26 September 2013 - 10:34 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:47 AM

I don't disagree that appearances do matter to some degree, but what matters more is the quality of your work.

 

However, your line of work should also play a factor in how you dress. Kissy is going to teach children around or under the age of 10. I highly doubt they're going to honestly care about what she wears. I would even argue that having a more casual appearance for kids of that age would be more advisable than dressing business formal, since you would appear much more interesting and approachable.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:49 AM

Ah, you're right about that. I take it all back. Well, except for the warning that long denim skirts are pretty frumpy looking, and the suggestion to wear black tights.

 

edit: although really, there is still a limit on how casual you should go, I think. I'm thinking about it and I still don't really think that denim is appropriate. I certainly agree with you that you shouldn't dress overly formally, but you shouldn't look like you're just hangin' out either. I think the outfit she posted with the khaki skirt and paisley shirt is by far the best option. Professional but not too formal.

 

Just to clarify, I don't dress "business formal" either. Just...like a professor rather than like a student. Like this: BRPzCmq.jpg


Edited by Jasi, 26 September 2013 - 11:13 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:22 AM

Okay. So I've been kind of quiet so I'm just gonna say what I think about this.

 

Jean skirts: I'm Pentecostal (one of the "super strict" religious groups) I wear skirts every single day and instead of wearing jeans, I wear jean skirts. I personally think they can work just like regular jeans. I grew up on them, and I get compliments on them often. I'll take a jean skirt over whatever else is in "style" today. (Like seriously, everything is sheer. Can I get something not sheer and form-fitting and not super duper short? Kthanks.)

Now, I have never worn a jean skirt when I go out to the schools. I just thought I would ask. I normally dress professionally. No cleavage, skirts all under the knee, no tank tops, no sneakers/flip-flops/sandles, just closed toed flats for shoes.

 

I only asked this because I have not gotten a legit answer for this. My mom never wore jean skirts to work because she actually worked in an office. I think if you work in an office, outfits like what Steel suggested are appropriate. I think that may be a little too much, that's something you should wear to an interview. I don't think you have to dress like you're going to an interview every day. Still look professional, just tone it down a little bit. For an elementary/primary school teacher... not so much.

 

Okay, guys. I will be working with children under the age of ten on a daily basis. If I dressed like what most of you are suggesting, all of my super nice clothing will be covered in markers, glue, chalk, etc. Ain't nobody got time or money for that. Also, I want my students to feel comfortable around me--not afraid because I look like the superintendent every single day. Also, I LOVE colors and patterns. I don't want just plain Jane black and white and solid colors every single day. I like patterns and colors, and hey, kids like them too. I want their attention, I don't want to blend in with the chalkboard behind me. I have to move around, stand up, possibly chase students around on a daily basis.

 

And yes, kids won't care what I wear, but I know that doesn't mean I can wear jeans and a t-shirt to school everyday. I'll still have my colleagues and my principal, so I still have to make a statement for myself with how I dress.

 

Do ya see what I'm saying? Yes, teachers have to be professional, but a different kind of professional. We don't wear suits every single day, because our job just doesn't make sense for it. We constantly get told what to wear to schools all the time, but it usually covers things along the line of "don't show cleavage, no piercings, no jeans (pants), no shorts, no visible tattoos." All of which don't apply to me, except for cleavage because it's IMPOSSIBLE to find a shirt that won't show it anymore. Even the camis will show cleavage. *flips table* But they never ever specify jean skirts, just the pants, and I've asked and I always get an "I don't know." I play it safe and never wear them to schools.

 

P.S. Also, I don't want you guys to think my legs are hairy monsters. I shave them regularly. I was just particularly overwhelmed and exhausted that day, and I just did not want to add "shave legs" to my list of things to do that night. The showers here are awkward and it takes twice as long to do anything here. I did end up shaving my legs, though. 

 

EDIT: Yes on the tights, I own a pair, but I forgot them at home. ._.

Also, I just saw what you edited, Jasi. Yeah, professional, but not business formal.


Edited by Kisseena, 26 September 2013 - 11:33 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:38 AM

Yeah no I totally get that you're going to dress down more than I was thinking. I lost sight of that in my original longer comment which I admitted in my last response. I think bright colors and patterns are totally fine. Maybe that part of what you were saying was not directed at me.

 

Jean skirts: I'm Pentecostal (one of the "super strict" religious groups) I wear skirts every single day and instead of wearing jeans, I wear jean skirts. I personally think they can work just like regular jeans. I grew up on them, and I get compliments on them often. I'll take a jean skirt over whatever else is in "style" today. (Like seriously, everything is sheer. Can I get something not sheer and form-fitting and not super duper short? Kthanks.)

 

I mean they sort of function like regular jeans, and I get that, but they are just kind of weird pieces of clothing fashion-wise and aren't particularly flattering imho. And I think there are many more options that you could look into if you are interested. This thread on reddit was posted by someone in your situation and the comments have great suggestions I think and even some blogs dedicated to modest fashion that adheres to religious guidelines. There are a lot of options that are in style at the moment that aren't form-fitting and sheer. But it's your decision and your image. Plus I guess there isn't anything wrong with projecting the Pentecostal/Orthodox Jewish image if you are Pentecostal!


Edited by Jasi, 26 September 2013 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:46 AM

The not-color thing is just in general. I guess it's *my* projected image of "super-duper" professional because I like fun-looking things.

 

A lot of the clothes in that thread are cute. But the prices. *_*

The price of looking modest. :C



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:54 AM

 

 

EDIT: What I usually look like:

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(Okay, not really. I just wanted to post that. XD)

 

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:58 AM

Kissy where exactly do you shop for clothes? I'm confused by you not being able to find things that don't show cleavage and I've definitely seen options for more opaque stuff.. o.o Then again all we have here is Walmart and JCPenney. 

 

 

Also: Maybe it's just because I work in a very strict daycare, but I really don't think you'll get all that messy. By the time kids are school-age they should be able to handle markers and glue and stuff without being a terror.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:01 PM

I should also clarify that I work in a college so my lack of a dress code is pretty much a non issue. I am firmly against ties though and equate them with burning bras.


And to round off with the golden rule of teaching:

If they pass it's all down to you, if they fail it's all down to them. ;d

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:11 PM



Kissy where exactly do you shop for clothes? I'm confused by you not being able to find things that don't show cleavage and I've definitely seen options for more opaque stuff.. o.o Then again all we have here is Walmart and JCPenney. 

 

I'm really picky on what I wear, so if I do find something that's not opaque or whatever, I think it's ugly and boring. Or it's too expensive.

I can never find anything I like at Walmart or JCPenny.

If I do find clothes, I usually find them at Khol's or Dress Barn.

 

The things I like generally tend to be on the expensive side. I don't know if it's just the style of it or something, but nothing I like is ever on sale. :C

 

I like things like this:

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Pretty, fun things that are colorful and pretty and pretty.

All those things are $65+ T_T


Edited by Kisseena, 26 September 2013 - 12:13 PM.





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