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[FDL]

Hey all, I was looking around at some Zelda sites and I noticed a few places mentioned that Makar and Tingle make reference to a "Goddess of Wind" in The Wind Waker. I've never heard anything like that before, surprisingly, so I was wondering if anyone could please direct me to a place where I can read those quotes? And perhaps also all the other quotes made when using the Tingle Tuner? I've never used it much as my Gamecube was messed up beyond repair the one time I tried to use it, which has made me wary. Plus, I usually use the Wii to play GC games these days. Anyway, thanks in advance for any help y'all can give me.

[MikePetersSucks]

Tingle's generally full of shit, to be fair. He pretty much has this whole personal fantasy mythology in his head that doesn't correspond to the reality of Hyrule.

[SOAP]

I think it's been established that Hyrule has plenty of other gods other than the three Golden Goddesses of the Triforce so a Goddess of the Wind shouldn't be that odd. Especially since you actually meet TWO male Gods of Wind in the same game. Maybe she's a minor deity. Then again, Goddess of Wind may be another nickname for Farore. If you notice in the Zelda games, no one mentions the Goddesses by name except when expalining Hyrule's creation myth.

Edited by SOAP, 26 March 2011 - 07:42 AM.

[FDL]

Yeah, there's also the the Goddesses of Sand and Time and all the other gods and guardian deities mentioned or seen. But even if it means nothing I'm just curious as I've never seen either Makar or Tingle ever mention that.

[SOAP]

Hmmm, it sounds familiar though I can't find a direct quote from TWW to be sure. I tried different Zelda Wikis and they both say Tingle claims Farore is the Goddess of Wind, which I don't remember him making any such claim.

[MikePetersSucks]

I know there's other deities, but I just feel it's important to clarify that most of the time Tingle is talking out of his ass.

[SOAP]

I know there's other deities, but I just feel it's important to clarify that most of the time Tingle is talking out of his ass.

And what of Makar?

[MikePetersSucks]

What about him? I've seen no citation of him mentioning anything of the sort.

[FDL]

That's partly what I'm looking for right now.

[Fin]

If you use the Tingle Tuner near Outset Island Tingle talks about how it's blessed by Farore, the Goddess of Wind.

[SOAP]

Zeldawiki.org says in this entry that both Tingle and Makar hinting that the Wind Temple is dedicated to the Goddess of the Wind, who Tingle says is Farore.

[MikePetersSucks]

It SAYS he does, but it doesn't explain where this impression comes from. It doesn't even give a quote. Not that it matters; Zeldawiki is absolute bullshit anyway.

[FDL]

If you use the Tingle Tuner near Outset Island Tingle talks about how it's blessed by Farore, the Goddess of Wind.

Really? Do you have an exact quote/specifically how to obtain it? If so, could you please let me know?

It SAYS he does, but it doesn't explain where this impression comes from. It doesn't even give a quote. Not that it matters; Zeldawiki is absolute bullshit anyway.

It's possible it's all a load of crap, but I've seen people mention it on ZU, both Zelda wikis, and now here as well. Its prevalence makes me more intrigued and curious as to where this idea comes from.

[MikePetersSucks]

http://tvtropes.org/...odNeverSaidThat

This happens all the time. Especially in Zelda. If people keep spreading a false misconception, people will adopt it without looking because, let's face it, most Zelda timeline fans know nothing about critical thinking skills.

[Beno]

Out of 83 instances (9 of which are 'goddess') of the word 'god' in The Wind Waker text dump there is no mention of a Goddess of Wind, just a Wind God, which we all already know about. I'm nearly positive Makar says nothing of the sort. Whether the Tingle Tuner says something different, I don't know, but like MPS says, I wouldn't really rely on a quote by Tingle to establish Farore as a Goddess of Wind.

[Showsni]

Shame we don't have a text dump for the Tingle Tuner... I can't see any sign of the Makar quote either, though.

[FDL]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodNeverSaidThat

This happens all the time. Especially in Zelda. If people keep spreading a false misconception, people will adopt it without looking because, let's face it, most Zelda timeline fans know nothing about critical thinking skills.

Yeah, that's why I made this topic instead of just taking what I read at face value, I figured the Tingle Tuner might actually say that since I've not used it extensively, but didn't want to just assume the internet was telling the truth.

[Fin]

If you use the Tingle Tuner near Outset Island Tingle talks about how it's blessed by Farore, the Goddess of Wind.

Really? Do you have an exact quote/specifically how to obtain it? If so, could you please let me know?

My brother is using the Gamecube at the moment, but I'll make a note to check it later. I guess I'll take a picture or something.

[SOAP]

Well if it's not in the text dump it might be from the Tingle Turner in which case Makar couldn't have said those things. So um, case closed?

[FDL]

If you use the Tingle Tuner near Outset Island Tingle talks about how it's blessed by Farore, the Goddess of Wind.

Really? Do you have an exact quote/specifically how to obtain it? If so, could you please let me know?

My brother is using the Gamecube at the moment, but I'll make a note to check it later. I guess I'll take a picture or something.

Thanks.

EDIT: Ah, actually, I found it. He apparently says it if you're in the map square that has Horseshoe Island in it. So I guess Tingle actually does say Farore is the Goddess of Wind...He may be full of crap, though I have wondered if perhaps the Goddess of Sand is Din and the Goddess of Time is Nayru or Farore(both have had associations with time so it's hard to say, though time would likely fall under Nayru's jurisdiction more than Farore's).

Edited by FDL, 31 March 2011 - 02:12 PM.

[Showsni]

Presumably Din would be the Goddess of Fire and Nayru the Goddess of Love, then.

[SOAP]

Showsni brings up a good point. Farore as the Goddesses of Wind and Din and Nayru as the Goddessses of Fire and Love respectively would make some sense considering the spells from OoT: Nayru's Love, Farore's Wind, Din's Fire. And it makes sense from OoT's retelling of the creation story, Din had fiery arms to sculpt the raw earth and Farore had a huge spirit (breath?) that breathed life into all the living creations. As for Nayru, I don 't know. Maybe her love made order out of chaos and established the laws of nature. Of course none of it is official but it makes sense. Even if Tingle is full of crap, this one can slide since it's nothing completely farfetched.

The Goddess of the Sands could be another epithet of Din too but I'd consider her lesser Gerudo deity akin to the tribal spirits like the Deku Tree and Lord Jabu-Jabu. The Goddess of Time I'm not sure. Could be Nayru, could be Farore. Could be a totally seperate Goddess.

What I find interesting is that there's a God of Earth that we cant tie to anyone. The Wind God could be Farore or it could be both Cyclos and Zephos. But what about the Earth TEmple, who's that dedicated too? There's an Earth Spirit, the Deku Tree, but he's more associated with Farore and the Wind element and has nothing to do with the Earth Temple in TWW. The Earth Temple has more in common with the Shadow Temple in OoT and death in general. Is the Earth God a god of death we don't know about? Of the Goddesses the only candidate is possibly Din since she can be associated with raw earth. But that leaves Nayru without a temple, what gives?

[MikePetersSucks]

Well, Din sculpted the earth and called it into existence, if that counts for anything.

As for Nayru being screwed out of a temple, this is nothing new. I mean, if Oracles and Minish Cap taught us anything, one goddess keeps getting screwed out of shit and the three don't seem to have much of a problem with this. Perhaps it's a symbolic gesture regarding the fact that the world they made can never be perfect, and destiny and the will of men has worked to keep the Triforce out of unity? It's already been established that the Triforce "judges and governs" the common sense of the reality of the Goddesses' multiverse; and since it was first broken up, the Triforce was only seen coming together twice; both of these for very brief periods of time.

[SOAP]

So is it agreed? Farore is the Goddess of Courage and Wind and Din the Goddess of Power and Earth? Nayru could be the Goddess of Wisdom and Time I suppose.

[Showsni]

So, what? Something like this?

Din:
Power, Fire, Earth, Sand, Red, Passion, Dance, Seasons

Farore:
Courage, Wind, Life, Green, Secrets

Nayru:
Wisdom, Love, Laws, Blue, Music, Time

[FDL]

I don't really buy into the idea that the Oracles are representative of stuff the Gods they're named after are, necessarily. Seasons would logically fall under what Nayru contributed as they're more "laws" of the world. And "secrets" seems like a weird vague concept that I doubt any one God can really be the boss of. And even the time songs have the symbols of each Goddess represented. But who knows.

[Fin]

Just for the record, 'Oracle of Seasons' was an invention by NoA. The original title is '大地のみこ,' or 'Shrine Maiden of Earth.'

[MikePetersSucks]

Also I imagine that Nayru is the goddess of water at this point.

[SOAP]

I don't really buy into the idea that the Oracles are representative of stuff the Gods they're named after are, necessarily. Seasons would logically fall under what Nayru contributed as they're more "laws" of the world. And "secrets" seems like a weird vague concept that I doubt any one God can really be the boss of. And even the time songs have the symbols of each Goddess represented. But who knows.

I guess he Oracle Din got Seasons because it has to do with changes on the earth, which the Goddess Din is strongly associated with, while the passage of time has more to do with the movement of the sky, which I guess the Goddess Nayru is associated with. I don't know about Secrets though. I guess you can tie it with esoteric spiritual knowledge. Spirituality you can associate with Spirits which you can associate with Breath which you can associate with Wind. A bit of a stretch but...

Also I imagine that Nayru is the goddess of water at this point.

I've always associated Nayru with Water ever since OoT. So far there hasn't been any official ties but it makes sense to me.

Edited by SOAP, 05 April 2011 - 03:45 AM.

[Showsni]

Plus associating Nayru with Water lets you divy up the OoT races amongst them - Din gets Gorons, Nayru gets Zoras, and Farore gets Kokiri. (With their represetnative Spiritual stones.)