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#31 Sir Turtlelot

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 08:20 PM

The sages had to "search for the existence" of the master sword during the seal war as it is lost/has not been seen in...a long time. Since it's known about at the end of TP, TWW actually sets up the Master Sword better for ALttP than TP does. Ad for the Triforce, that doesn't really provae anything. So no, it isn't simple as you put it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you place the FSS pre-ALttP don't you? Assuming you do, that's three games between TP & ALttP, where the MS is not mentioned whatsoever. Granted, there is the possibility that people knew and didn't bother mentioning it. But I'm pretty sure, since there are time gaps between TP & TMC, TMC & FSA, and FSA & ALttP, that that's enough time for the MS to be lost and/or forgotten about, or the Royal Family hiding it away. Especially since the FS replaced it throughout the FSS.

So you tell me which one seems more plausible, people over time forgetting where the MS is (or the Royal Family hiding it), or the sages somehow retrieving both of them from the bottom of the ocean.

And how does the state of the Triforce not prove anything? There's a big difference from still being somewhere in the land and stuck at the bottom of the ocean.

Edited by Sir Turtlelot, 15 September 2010 - 08:25 PM.


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Posted 15 September 2010 - 09:18 PM

[quote name='Pinecove']Of the CONFIRMED games on the timeline, only PH and ST have force gems. TP or OoT or whatever does not.[/quote]

However, TMC and FS heavily suggest that Force Gems appeared even before the timeline split. With that in mind, the Four Sword Series could go on the CT with ease. Additionally, Force Gems only make an appearance in games where Link has to gradually build up or restore power as opposed to solving things with one magical artifact, enchanted spirit, etc. They really appear to be for the sake of gameplay more than anything.

[quote name='Pinecove' date='15 September 2010 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1284589164' post='541024']The sages had to "search for the existence" of the master sword during the seal war as it is lost/has not been seen in...a long time.[/quote]

As I explained to Beemnorv on ZU, the Master Sword was utterly forgotten in TWW. Future Sages wouldn't be able to even come up with a plan to find the Master Sword, as not even a legend would remain. It'd be like expecting aliens to come up with a plan to hunt Santa Claus.

[quote name='Pinecove]Since it's known about at the end of TP, TWW actually sets up the Master Sword better for ALttP than TP does.[/quote]

See above. Also, the number of people who know about the Master Sword in TP is, at best, five. Those people are either silent or already in a secretive inner-kingdom group to boot.

[quote name='Pinecove']Ad for the Triforce, that doesn't really provae anything.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the Triforce being essentially forgotten and rendered inaccessible after TWW proves a great deal.

[quote name='Pinecove']And if we focus on the individual themes of the games that would make TMC first which it obviously isn't.[/quote]

Skyward Sword isn't out yet, so it'd be best to save such statements for after the game has been released.

[quote name='Pinecove]If you can't have this discussion without acting like a 5 year old than I'm leaving.[/quote]

This isn't meant to be an insult, but you've gotten angry and cursed at people a couple of times on this site as well. I'm just mentioning it in case MPS attempts to call you out on that.

Regarding this Tingle stuff, Tingle = Purlo. Also, the Tingle in MM was presumably the Terminian parallel of a Hyrulean Tingle, though people could argue about time differences between the realms and the like.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 12:27 AM

Why are we even considering timeline placement based on Tingle? Next thing, we'll be constructing elaborate theories based on level select screens from FPTRR.

Oh wait...

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 01:31 PM

Of the CONFIRMED games on the timeline, only PH and ST have force gems. TP or OoT or whatever does not. Deal with it and please NEVER accuse me of that logic again.


The problem is it still fits. And TMC would've fit on both timelines if someone placed it at the beginning, and, well, the Force Gems don't work the same at all between these games. It's just a gameplay quirk, not really timeline evidence. Not even thematic evidence.

What the fuck are you talking about? LA is a dream not confirmed to fall on the CT, PH could be a variety of things and MM is an alternate world. Now please stop being rude to me.


LA is pretty heavily implied to be a sequel to LTTP (or Oracles if one insists), so pretty much, yea. And, again, MM being in an alternate world doesn't mean anything. PH seems to be in "another world" so that doesn't count either, right? You can't pick and choose. Oh by the way, I'm pretty sure Tingle's in the Oracles games, which are most certainly on the child timeline. This argument of yours is totally invalid whichever way I try and slice it.

The hero of Men was most likely Swiftblade the first. And if we focus on the individual themes of the games that would make TMC first which it obviously isn't. If you can't have this discussion without acting like a 5 year old than I'm leaving. Go back and look at your posts. We're all on the same side and I am NOT your enemy.


I'm not saying you're my enemy, I'm just saying your reasoning is poor as dung. If you can't handle being challenged, then I'm certainly not the one with a maturity problem. Oh, more faulty statements, by the way.

The sages had to "search for the existence" of the master sword during the seal war as it is lost/has not been seen in...a long time. Since it's known about at the end of TP, TWW actually sets up the Master Sword better for ALttP than TP does. Ad for the Triforce, that doesn't really provae anything. So no, it isn't simple as you put it.


They had to search for it because it hasn't been used in so long; not necessarily because it was in the ocean. This is of course a concession made out of taking your wording at face value.

How does the Triforce not prove anything? ST makes it pretty clear that it has nothing to do with the New Hyrule, a country which has no connection to the Sacred Realm. Talk about ignoring facts to fit theories.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 04:53 PM

ST's Hyrule doesn't have the Triforce anywhere at all. Its royal seal looks completely different, and the Triforce only appears on the gold treasure you find, which is explicitly mentioned to be left over from an ancient kingdom. ALttP also cannot happen in ST Hyrule, since the physical portals to the Sacred Realm are not present, and the Master Sword is at the bottom of the ocean.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 05:25 PM

ST's Hyrule doesn't have the Triforce anywhere at all. Its royal seal looks completely different, and the Triforce only appears on the gold treasure you find, which is explicitly mentioned to be left over from an ancient kingdom. ALttP also cannot happen in ST Hyrule, since the physical portals to the Sacred Realm are not present, and the Master Sword is at the bottom of the ocean.


Definitely not.

And regarding ALTTP, it can't take place after ST at all. Mostly because of the MS. If it somehow remerged on the AT, it wouldn't have its power anymore.

In TWW, we meet the sages who prayed in the temples to make sure the MS kept its power. When Ganon killed them and nobody was in the temple, the sword lost its power and that is why we needed to get Medli and Makar to the temple. But at the end of the game, they are on the pirate ship, and the temples were destroyed with the rest of Hyrule. That includes the MS. Good luck getting around that one! Why use a lot of speculation for a situation that exists after TP with an identical shot to ALTTP? Is there any reason to put ALTTP on the AT? And don't say OOT is the IW.




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