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[SteveT]

Judging from the fan reaction so far, Spirit Tracks will be on the "Good Things Fail to Happen" leg of the Triforce of Time.

[Duke Serkol]

Isn't the fan reaction generally positive so far? (More so than the initial reactions to TWW, I think)

[SteveT]

If you ignore the people saying that it looks like a fan mod of PH

[Raien]

From what I've read, the general fan reaction is "It's a new Zelda game! I'm getting it regardless of how different/similar it is to previous games."

[Duke Serkol]

Yeah, precisely. We unhappy fans are in the minority (as typical).

[Raien]

I've just noticed that Link has no fairy guide this time around. Thank goodness for that.

[Nintenlord]

Isn't the fan reaction generally positive so far?

The trailer didn't show much, so there is little to whine about. But I'm sure that will change later on this year.

I've just noticed that Link has no fairy guide this time around. Thank goodness for that.

Amen.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

I'm surprised none of you think that "Darknut" might be the train or at least, a part of the train. Really, it is a logical conclusion to come to what with the King of Red Lions from The Wind Waker and the Cel-da style of the game.

[SOAP]

Wolf_ODonnel!!!

*pounces you and chains you to the wall*

This time you stay!

[Erimgard]

Were there not ruins of a castle of some sort in the west of Lon Lon Meadow?

Uh I don't think so. Are you talking about the Oinker's hideout? That's not castle ruins...

[Wolf O'Donnell]

Wolf_ODonnel!!!

*pounces you and chains you to the wall*

This time you stay!

Pfft... If it weren't for Spirit Tracks you would have never seen me again!

Also, they'd better create a decent Zelda game for the Wii. And this time round, they'd better throw some decent slash pairings in for the fanboys/girls... Oh and make the game more difficult.

[Showsni]

Pfft... If it weren't for Spirit Tracks you would have never seen me again!

Also, they'd better create a decent Zelda game for the Wii. And this time round, they'd better throw some decent slash pairings in for the fanboys/girls... Oh and make the game more difficult.

Isn't Colin/Link enough?

[D~N]

I would actually appreciate this so much if we were in Calatia in this game. It'd be a nice change of pace, and it could explain the whole train situation. This way, purests can rest assured knowing that steampunk has not soiled the good Zelda name, in Hyrule that is. Also, it could fix the timeline, as follows:

OoT (child half) - MM - TP - TMC - FS - FSA - LTTP - LA - LOZ - AOL - Oracles
|
OoT (adult half) - TWW - PH

Taking the above timeline as a very accepted, intelligent, and rational approach to the timeline...we can add ST and shimmy LoZ on down to the adult half, and...

OoT (child half) - MM - TP - TMC - FS - FSA - LTTP - LA
|
OoT (adult half) - TWW - PH - ST - LOZ - AOL - Oracles

It finally balances things and actually makes the timeline...work! For the first time in a long time this would not contradict itself, and would require minimal fanon (Ganon's status at the end of FSA/begining of LttP). Make this happen, Nintendo. Please!

Although, who am i kidding? I already saw a familiar castle on the map of the overworld...and it was in the north. -sigh- it doesn't take a genius to realize what that means...

Unless that really was the southwest corner of the map. Then that castle is smack in the middle of nowhere...interesting...

discuss!

Edited by D~N, 31 March 2009 - 08:19 PM.

[TheAvengerLever]

Forgive me for not tapping into Valiant comics, but why do people keep making the train/Calatia reference?

[SOAP]

Wolf_ODonnel!!!

*pounces you and chains you to the wall*

This time you stay!

Pfft... If it weren't for Spirit Tracks you would have never seen me again!

Also, they'd better create a decent Zelda game for the Wii. And this time round, they'd better throw some decent slash pairings in for the fanboys/girls... Oh and make the game more difficult.

Also I want some Foe Yay action and some Stockholm Shnozzing.

Edit: Between Link and the villain of course. Not between us.

Edit Edit: On the other hand, let's not rule anything out here.

Edited by SOAP, 01 April 2009 - 01:34 AM.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

What I'd like to see most, though, is a game that lets me spend my hard earned cash on things. I mean, why should hearts and arrows and bombs be just lying around? Why not force people to spend money on those things? The money's there. There's more than enough money in the entire game (or at least, there usually is).

[Fin]

What I'd like to see most, though, is a game that lets me spend my hard earned cash on things. I mean, why should hearts and arrows and bombs be just lying around? Why not force people to spend money on those things? The money's there. There's more than enough money in the entire game (or at least, there usually is).

This. Also, breakable shields, make enemies more powerful so you'll actually end up using the damn potions, etc etc.

[MikePetersSucks]

OoT (child half) - MM - TP - TMC - FS - FSA - LTTP - LA - LOZ - AOL - Oracles
|
OoT (adult half) - TWW - PH

Taking the above timeline as a very accepted, intelligent, and rational approach to the timeline...we can add ST and shimmy LoZ on down to the adult half, and...

OoT (child half) - MM - TP - TMC - FS - FSA - LTTP - LA
|
OoT (adult half) - TWW - PH - ST - LOZ - AOL - Oracles

It finally balances things and actually makes the timeline...work! For the first time in a long time this would not contradict itself, and would require minimal fanon (Ganon's status at the end of FSA/begining of LttP). Make this happen, Nintendo. Please!

That would actually make contradictions and problems, not solve them.

Forgive me for not tapping into Valiant comics, but why do people keep making the train/Calatia reference?

Lulz.

[SOAP]

OoT (child half) - MM - TP - TMC - FS - FSA - LTTP - LA - LOZ - AOL - Oracles
|
OoT (adult half) - TWW - PH

Taking the above timeline as a very accepted, intelligent, and rational approach to the timeline...we can add ST and shimmy LoZ on down to the adult half, and...

OoT (child half) - MM - TP - TMC - FS - FSA - LTTP - LA
|
OoT (adult half) - TWW - PH - ST - LOZ - AOL - Oracles

It finally balances things and actually makes the timeline...work! For the first time in a long time this would not contradict itself, and would require minimal fanon (Ganon's status at the end of FSA/begining of LttP). Make this happen, Nintendo. Please!

That would actually make contradictions and problems, not solve them.

Forgive me for not tapping into Valiant comics, but why do people keep making the train/Calatia reference?

Lulz.

The only problem that order causes is that it seperates LoZ (and AoL) from ALttP which canonically (according to the back of it's box) comes generations before LoZ chronologically.

But if people must have a balanced timeinline. I much rather do something like this:

OoT (child half)/MM - TP - (OoX?) - ALTTP/LA - (OoX?) - LoZ/AoL - (OoX?)
|
OoT (adult half) - TMC/(ST?) - TWW/PH/(ST?) - (ST?) - FS/FSA

All TWW-style games all on the same side of the timeline since they're all vaguely related to the Light Force saga with the exception of TWW but it's sequel PH is and seems to refer back to TMC's backstory about Princess Zelda being the embodiment of the Light Force and Tetra containing that same power as well. Which is why I put TMC before TWW since it seems to be the first in the Light Force saga (and does not hurt anything by putting in after OoT and before the flood of TWW's backstory.

Edited by SOAP, 01 April 2009 - 03:13 PM.

[chiaradiluna]

Ah, I heard about this on other forums and the LJ zelda community.

At first, I was like "WTF", but basically, it's PH with a train. Looks fun though, from the trailer.

[D~N]

That would actually make contradictions and problems, not solve them.

Care to explain? The only one I see is, as already pointed out, the back of the box. But I consider that to be something that was, more likely than not, retconned, as it was only a small fact from the back of a box. I'm not denying it's a legit source, but it's such a small thing in the grand scheme of things and it wasn't really stated with all that much foresight that I could see it being ignored in favor of other information.

Plus, its hypothetical, remember. We don't know if it features ganon or any of that jazz, or what state the triforce is in. So I ask again, what other contradictions does it make??

Edit - Soap, your proposed timeline seems logical too, and i like that it groups similar games, at least in style and in theme.

Edited by D~N, 01 April 2009 - 06:30 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

But if people must have a balanced timeinline.

Making a timeline aesthetically appealing isn't the objective, and it shouldn't be. Pursuing aesthetic appeal is why people fought for the Single Timeline and Single Link theories so badly.

Care to explain? The only one I see is, as already pointed out, the back of the box. But I consider that to be something that was, more likely than not, retconned, as it was only a small fact from the back of a box. I'm not denying it's a legit source, but it's such a small thing in the grand scheme of things and it wasn't really stated with all that much foresight that I could see it being ignored in favor of other information.

You do realize that a New Hyrule after TWW is pretty much impossible, stupid, illogical, and requires a buttload of fanfiction and assumptions, right?

[SOAP]

You do realize that a New Hyrule after TWW is pretty much impossible, stupid, illogical, and requires a buttload of fanfiction and assumptions, right?

You do have a point there. Which is why some are hoping ST clears this up somehow. Most likely it probably won't. Many were putting a lot of hope in TP but all it did was muddle things further.

[Duke Serkol]

You do realize that a New Hyrule after TWW is pretty much impossible, stupid, illogical, and requires a buttload of fanfiction and assumptions, right?

Normally, I would agree.
But then, having a train in a Zelda game that otherwise stays medieval styled is in fact impossible, stupid and illogical, so at this point nothing of the sort really would surprise me.

[MikePetersSucks]

Not at all, since the train is so plainly, obviously, magical, and even if it wasn't, putting ST at the end of a timeline that didn't have it's civilization rebooted by some goddesses who used a flood to DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING.

[Erimgard]

On putting LoZ/AoL on the adult timeline:

Doesn't require the Master Sword be dredged up, so it's easier than putting, say, aLttP on the adult timeline. Also, LoZ Hyrule is refered to as a "little kingdom" in the "Hyrule region". That's pretty generic, and doesn't necessitate that Link/Tetra committed the apparent cardinal sin of naming "YOUR LAND" Hyrule. It's just a kingdom in the general area of the old Hyrule.

[Hero of Slime]

The problem of Hyrule's restoration after TWW was a great problme for the single timeliners back in those days. There was no evidence for any kind of restoration of Hyrule other than interpretation of the Deku Tree's goal or the possibilty of a new continent being discovered. If spirit tracks does take place in Hyrule, is proven to come after TWW and PH, and has familar land marks such as death moutain or lake hylia, then this game would show evidence of a restored Hyrule.

[SOAP]

On putting LoZ/AoL on the adult timeline:

Doesn't require the Master Sword be dredged up, so it's easier than putting, say, aLttP on the adult timeline. Also, LoZ Hyrule is refered to as a "little kingdom" in the "Hyrule region". That's pretty generic, and doesn't necessitate that Link/Tetra committed the apparent cardinal sin of naming "YOUR LAND" Hyrule. It's just a kingdom in the general area of the old Hyrule.

That got me thinking. Ever since I first finished TWW I've always hoped that we'd get to see this new land in TWW's sequel and we'd get to name it like we get to name Link and Epona. With this name allowing you create your own train tracks, giving some freedom to carve the landsacpe to your like (assuming this is a PH sequel), I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. Might not happen but it would be cool if could name it.

[Duke Serkol]

Not at all, since the train is so plainly, obviously, magical

Oh yes, that is clearly a fact. I'm sure Linebeck's boat was magical too, even though it was never stated as such.

putting ST at the end of a timeline that didn't have it's civilization rebooted by some goddesses who used a flood to DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here... that if the train isn't magical the game has to be placed at the end of the child timeline?
Yes, perhaps. But it's not the only possibility. After all, it could be that the Deku Tree's plan succeded and this may be a new land (with maybe a new name) located where Hyrule used to be.
Personally, I hope for that to be the case. I rather wish for them to leave the old games and their timeline alone. Especially when it comes to games featuring trains.
In the end, if Nintendo holds true to their habit of linking new games to one specific past game, they will place this wherever they want, train or no train. It's entirely possible for ST to link itself with TP or FSA is Nintendo wishes to, as much as I dread it.

If spirit tracks does take place in Hyrule, is proven to come after TWW and PH, and has familar land marks such as death moutain or lake hylia, then this game would show evidence of a restored Hyrule.

That's right. I don't like it, because I'm quite tired of fighting a pig warlock with a specific sword in the same ol' land of Hyrule, but if Nintendo says so, it will be so, even if it negates everything the King says at the end of TWW.

Edited by Duke Serkol, 02 April 2009 - 01:58 PM.

[SOAP]

Hey! I don't mind returning to Hyrule. But I can emphasize with the need of a new villian, especially one taht isn't just another dumb lackey to Ganon. Zant was cool, but then he got pathetic when Ganon entered the picture. What I really want is to keep Ganon but change how he relates to Link and Zelda. Like say he becomes the lesser of two evils when a new evil shows up, resurrects Ganon and steals away Ganon's power. With Ganon reduced to a normal human being he seeks Link's help at combating the new evil, playing on Link's affinity for the weak and helpless, only to backstab Link once his powers return.

Edit: I don't mean in this game. That would be more appropriate for an "adult" game like TP.

Edited by SOAP, 03 April 2009 - 01:15 AM.