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#61 Fyxe

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 05:57 AM

That's so fanfic.

HAH. What did you think this thread was about? Hardly an intellectually simulating topic. Please don't tell me you believe these obscure connections between Hero's Shade and HoT aren't part of fandom or you'll grievously disappoint me.

Hoo boy, if you think topics in Zelda Storyline are 'intellectually stimulating', then you've got another thing coming. Actually your typo is more accurate. Simulations of intellect, mostly.

Aside from that, I have no idea what you're rambling about now. Quit using double negatives. Also, SOAP is right, you're being rather hypocritical.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 06:56 AM

Personally, I still can't believe people doubt that the hero that is spoken about in TP is the Hero of Time. I mean, he's known not only by the Hylians and spirits, but also the Gorons, Zoras, and Sheikah. The only Link that we know of who dealt with all these tribes is OoT Link. And then we have the Shade saying he was "the hero", which implies he's talking about the hero we've heard about before, insead of a different person.

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 09:50 PM

I believe that that is the Hero of Time. However, I don't believe he is a stalfos because he died in the Lost Woods. I just think, as he says himself, he never passed on the techniques he had used and therefore, as the chosen hero, couldn't rest until he had passed them on. When he does, he moves on to the afterlife. Simple. It is the Hero of Time but with unfinished business that prevents him from finding peace.

I also noticed a few of you talking about the sacred grove and temples. It's rather simple if you look at the map of Hyrule. For some reason, Hyrule has changed around. Ordon is not part of Hyrule as is stated. Faron is the old location of Hyrule Castle and Castle town which explains why the Master Sword is in the sacred grove. The sacred grove is merely the Temple of Time eroded and left to rot. The new castle and castle town are where Lon Lon Ranch stood while the desert, Kakariko village and Zora domain all stand where they were in OoT.

However, we could therefore say that maybe the skeleton is not the Hero of Time. TP Link is not Hylian as he is born in Ordon, outside of Hyrule. Perhaps they are not related at all and this is merely another hero. Perhaps another Link, considering so many of you consider the games outside of OoT, WW and TP canon.

Anyway, pleasure to meet you all.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 03:59 PM

However, we could therefore say that maybe the skeleton is not the Hero of Time. TP Link is not Hylian as he is born in Ordon, outside of Hyrule. Perhaps they are not related at all and this is merely another hero. Perhaps another Link, considering so many of you consider the games outside of OoT, WW and TP canon.


Ordon is part of Hyrule, and TP Link is VERY CLEARLY Hylian.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 04:45 PM

MPS, try to be a little bit nicer to the new guy^^
He's clearly a Hylian because he ahs long ears, he's one of the few characters with long ears.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 05:51 PM

Thanks Arturo.

I always thought he wasn't Hylian because one of the characters says that Ordon is not part of Hyrule. It is a province outside of that.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:42 PM

MPS, try to be a little bit nicer to the new guy^^


What was wrong with my behavior? It's not like I said "Ordon is part of Hyrule, IDIOT!"

I always thought he wasn't Hylian because one of the characters says that Ordon is not part of Hyrule. It is a province outside of that.


Just because he lives outside of Hyrule doesn't mean he's not descended from the Hylians. Furthermore, I think Ordon is part of Hyrule. Maybe not POLITICALLY, but surely geographically, which is what really matters. I doubt Hyrule is as small as the game depicts it.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:58 PM

Ordon is a province. A province of what exactly? Since they trade regularly with the royal family of Hyrule my guess is they're a part of Hyrule. Obviously Ordon is way out in the boonies of Hyrule but still part of Hyrule.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 11:53 PM

Rusl, at the beginning of TP: "You have... never been to Hyrule, correct?"

No, Ordon is not part of Hyrule. Obviously.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 03:53 AM

Just because Ordon is represented as a province on the map doesn't specifically mean it was ever part of Hyrule; this was confirmed in early demos/interviews to exist outside the Kingdom; I consider everything beyond their bridge to be a separate country as much as the Gerudo Desert, Holodrum and Labrynna were. Not to mention Hyrule wasn't established that long ago if we acknowledge Twilight Princess follows several hundred years after Majora's Mask, the nation didn't even exist until after the Hero of Time was born (as explained by the Deku Tree Sprout) during the fierce wars eventually one leader unified those countries, Eldin, Faron and Lanayru together, thus making him King of a newly founded Hyrule.

Besides game script reveals Link is actually an Ordonian, not a Hylian:-

Whoa! An Ordonian! Hey, guy!
Listen, I'm not sure you should be wandering around the woods without a
lantern. Just because it's daylight doesn't mean it's safe.


We know therefore a light spirit is responsible for one province; in the creation of Hyrule story when the Sacred Realm conflict and banishment of the Twili's ancestors was shown to TP Link only three light spirits were shown, obviously Ordona the spirit of Ordon Village is not present nor heeded the God's call because the land(s) that compose Hyrule are not under his jurisdiction: this was strictly a Hylian matter, not Ordonian. There're probably even more light spirits out there somewhere in the bigger world.

We may need to split this thread. ^^

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 05:48 AM

Wait, wait. Ordon isn't part of Hyrule, I thought we knew this already, but now you're saying that the Gerudo Desert isn't either? I thought it was.

Also, you are technically making stuff up about the 'fierce war'. It doesn't say that Hyrule didn't exist. All it said was that the people were not unified. Sounds like a civil war to me. Hyrule has existed for aaaages, even in OoT's time.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 06:27 AM

Besides game script reveals Link is actually an Ordonian, not a Hylian:-

Whoa! An Ordonian! Hey, guy!
Listen, I'm not sure you should be wandering around the woods without a
lantern. Just because it's daylight doesn't mean it's safe.

He's Ordonian because he's from Ordon. But he'0s a Hylian because of his race. And, as far as I remember, the term Hylian doesn't appear in TP, except on rare ocassions. The only times I have seen people called Hylian is referring o the Royal Family, and to the chosen race (they speak about it in 3rd person) who was created by the Oocca.And also, an Oocca calls Link Hylian:

......You are Hylian? No? I speak a little Hylian. You understand me?

And no, you were not unpolite or anything with the new guy, but you sound much ncer if instead of saying he's rong, you explain him why. especially if he's new.

Edited by Arturo, 01 November 2007 - 06:28 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:13 AM

But what does a Occa know? They have not been to Hyrule in ages.
Shad, who has pointy ears like Link, speaks of the Hylians as have beens, just as the manual of ALttP does.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:50 AM

When I say he's Hylian, I just mean he's as Hylian as the most Hylian characetrs of the game, such as Zelda.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 10:09 AM

Also, you are technically making stuff up about the 'fierce war'. It doesn't say that Hyrule didn't exist. All it said was that the people were not unified. Sounds like a civil war to me. Hyrule has existed for aaaages, even in OoT's time.

Meh, probably was a civil war given the description; here on the community its addressed only as the fierce war, that's not to be associated with ALttP's Imprisoning War or the Triforce, not saying you ever did Fyxe but some people here often do it on purpose.

Some time ago, before the King of
Hyrule unified this country, there
was a fierce war in our world.
One day, to escape from the fires
of the war, a Hylian mother and
her baby boy entered this
forbidden forest.


Now the story writers are hardly going to elaborate on those details just after you saved an entire forest; however they did provide us with an insight to the formation of the OoT Hyrule we know. Since the King and country are mentioned in past tense there simply couldn't have been any such large country around before then. I think I just screwed over my own TMC theories in the chronology. .


He's Ordonian because he's from Ordon. But he'0s a Hylian because of his race. And, as far as I remember, the term Hylian doesn't appear in TP, except on rare ocassions. The only times I have seen people called Hylian is referring o the Royal Family, and to the chosen race (they speak about it in 3rd person) who was created by the Oocca.

What you're saying is true, but its confusing nonetheless why Nintendo worded it this way, maybe a mistranslation of sorts because humans and/or other races from Hyrule can still technically be called Hylians as well because that's where they're born, but everyone who's ever played Zelda has already dubbed the term "Hylian" to said dominant species, that Link belongs to.
Why on earth do race and nationality share the same name? I recall this ambiguity was brought up in another topic last year...

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 11:53 AM

You are Hylian? No? I speak a little Hylian. You understand me?


Hm,...why: "No?"
He is a Hylian...or at least he locks like one. And he speaks like one...so why "No?"
Or is the Hylian(Language) of the TP Hyrule different from the Hylian in OoT?

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 12:56 PM

You are Hylian? No? I speak a little Hylian. You understand me?


Hm,...why: "No?"
He is a Hylian...or at least he locks like one. And he speaks like one...so why "No?"
Or is the Hylian(Language) of the TP Hyrule different from the Hylian in OoT?


I really hate it when people become pedantic.

The "No" means nothing. The Occa is just double checking to see if his or her assumption is true.

It's like if like if I were to say to you "Hey, you frequent LA, no?"

And you were to say "Why yes I do."

See how boring that was? It's nothing that needs to be scrutinized.

Edited by SOAP, 01 November 2007 - 12:56 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2007 - 01:02 PM

Even if Link's from Ordon, he's clearly of Hylian descent. He's got the Triforce if Courage, pointy ears, and the bloodline of Hyrule's heroes. The Ordonians, comparitively don't have "Hylian" things about them, not even pointy ears.

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 03:50 AM

You are Hylian? No? I speak a little Hylian. You understand me?


Hm,...why: "No?"
He is a Hylian...or at least he locks like one. And he speaks like one...so why "No?"
Or is the Hylian(Language) of the TP Hyrule different from the Hylian in OoT?


I really hate it when people become pedantic.


Hey calm down. <_<
I don't live in a english speaking country...it just sounds strange to me when someone asks No?


The German version of this text:

Bist du etwa Hylianer?

Ich kenne deine Sprache ein wenig.
Verstehst du mich?

Means:
Are you Hylian?

I know you're language a bit.
You understand me?


About this thing with Human, Hylian and Ordonian:

Link lives in Ordon...means he is known as an Ordonian in Ordon
Link has pointy ears...means he is from the Hylian race
Link is a human...every human-looking race (Ordonian/Hylian/Gerudo...) are Humans.

Edited by Kyuubi no Youko, 02 November 2007 - 04:08 AM.


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Posted 02 November 2007 - 09:46 AM

Yes, that's right.

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 08:59 PM

Remember, Hylians and Hyrulian/Hyrulean mean very different things. A Hylian is simply a member of the race who were close to the gods, and can use magic and have pointy ears. Hyrule is, I think, named after this people. A Hyrulian/Hyrulean is the term for a native of Hyrule; being Hylian technically has nothing to do with coming from Hyrule. Ordon isn't part of Hyrule, but it's perfectly possible that some Hylians live there. Or descendants of Hylians.

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 01:05 PM

Yeah, didn't Holodrum and Labrynna have Hylians too?

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 11:18 PM

Now the story writers are hardly going to elaborate on those details just after you saved an entire forest; however they did provide us with an insight to the formation of the OoT Hyrule we know. Since the King and country are mentioned in past tense there simply couldn't have been any such large country around before then. I think I just screwed over my own TMC theories in the chronology. .


Perhaps it's simply a matter of time--literally. In TMC, Hyrule is just a city, a castle, and a graveyard, not a unified country. The fierce wars could easily happen sometime long after it and make everything the Deku Sprout told Link true.

What you're saying is true, but its confusing nonetheless why Nintendo worded it this way, maybe a mistranslation of sorts because humans and/or other races from Hyrule can still technically be called Hylians as well because that's where they're born, but everyone who's ever played Zelda has already dubbed the term "Hylian" to said dominant species, that Link belongs to.
Why on earth do race and nationality share the same name? I recall this ambiguity was brought up in another topic last year...


As far as I know, they don't. The nationality is Hyrulean/Hyrulian, the ethnicity is Hylian. Hy-rule apparently is named such because it is a land ruled by Hylians, at least in the early eras.

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 03:04 PM

As far as I know, they don't. The nationality is Hyrulean/Hyrulian, the ethnicity is Hylian. Hy-rule apparently is named such because it is a land ruled by Hylians, at least in the early eras.


Sorry to burst that bubble, but in Japan it's 'Hyral' ;(

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 06:33 PM

As far as I know, they don't. The nationality is Hyrulean/Hyrulian, the ethnicity is Hylian. Hy-rule apparently is named such because it is a land ruled by Hylians, at least in the early eras.


Sorry to burst that bubble, but in Japan it's 'Hyral' ;(


We're not in Japan.

....Most of us, anyway.

(It's not like the word association would work to a Japanese person to begin with.)

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 05:36 PM

none of your theories are correct.....atlest not yet. the thing you've got to remember is that the creators of zelda havent showed anything about the relativities of Link from OoT and the Link of TP. heck, they might just say (not saying that they will say this kind of bull)that lijnk ended up finding Navi after all, and Navi took him to a goddess or somthing, and the godess told him that she foresaw wat would happen in the future, and sealed his body away to keep it from aging. but when he woke up, he didnt remember a thing of his past.

that just doesnt seem likely, but i sure would like the games better if i knew i waws playing with the hero of time.

as a matter of fact it would be awesome if thats wat happend.

....omg..

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 01:15 PM

....You revived a year old thread just to tell us "lol everyone's wrong"?

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 01:48 PM

Please don't necropost.
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