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[SteveT]

What I said to Granite.

[GraniteJJ]

Originally posted by SteveT@Sep 15 2004, 11:44 PM
Right, those are examples of a confrontation between an unarmed person and an armed person.  If both are armed, the aggressor will think twice.

More importantly, they are also conflicts between someone who respects the law and someone who doesn't.  Like I've said before, if you seriously want someone dead, you will find a way to kill them whether you have to shop at the black market, Walmart, or the hardware store.  If you have enough disrespect for the law to murder someone, you sure as hell aren't gonna care about breaking gun restriction laws.

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A student in high school doesn't have connections to the "black market". The way you talk about the black market, you act as if there is an outlet on every street corner. You have to run with a pretty bad crowd to get involved with that, and the strange thing is, many school shootings or things of the variety aren't done by bad kids, but good kids who can't put up with bad shit anymore.

They just snap. People who kill other people in a fit of rage don't necessarily lack respect for the law. They just get fed up with all the bullshit they put up with, and no one has tried to help them. Since no one seems to care, they stop caring for anyone else, and in a brief moment of rage or sadness, they could kill someone.

[SteveT]

Then THAT should be illegal.

You've also failed to make an argument against my statement that armed victims are a deterrent to crime.

[Alakhriveion]

OK, tell you what: We won't ban guns, we'll ban dumbasses and motional people. Then, we'll ban guns anyway.

[SteveT]

That's not much of a compromise.

Why not let people buy what they want and hold them accountable for what they do with it?

[arunma]

Because holding them accountable doesn't bring back dead dudes.

[Alakhriveion]

What he said.

[SteveT]

No, but if we had real punishments for crimes and effective crime enforcement, maybe random acts of violence would go down.

[Alakhriveion]

Well, to use psycology... the threat of punishment doesn't deter crime. If you're gonna rob a bank, you're gonna rob it, if you're gonna kill someone, you're gona kill 'im. So there's really now way to deter crime other than getting rid of the enablement, like guns and pot money.

[SteveT]

Oh, that's good, you're suggesting we seize the money of people who ,ight use it to buy pot?

[Alakhriveion]

No, I'm suggesting we make pot legal, so profits from it won't fund further criminal ventures.

[SteveT]

You mean when people use their welfare money to buy cigarrettes for their kids?

No wait, that's tax money. My bad.

[Alakhriveion]

Originally posted by SteveT@Sep 16 2004, 07:58 PM
You mean when people use their welfare money to buy cigarrettes for their kids?

No wait, that's tax money.  My bad.

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I'm also for banning cigarettes, but that's another issue. And people like that just need a good smacking, that's all.

[SteveT]

But once again, making things illegal doesn't stop them from happening.

[Alakhriveion]

It helps, it helps a lot. Compare cocaine use before and after it's illegalization, HUGE difference.

[SteveT]

But was it because it was made illegal or because people finally understood why it was illegal, if you follow?

[Alakhriveion]

Well, by that logic, I think people will understand why they should buy machine guns, but AK-47's sell like hotcakes.

[SteveT]

eh? Care to rephrase that?

[Alakhriveion]

OK, if it was the revelation that cocaine kills that stopped people buying it, they wouldn't buy assault weapons, either. But they do, AK-47's are more popular than PS2's world-wide, and they're already getting a foothold in America.

[SteveT]

Ah, but the effects on cocaine are on the user. The effects of guns are on other people. Who cares about other people? Not Americans.

[Alakhriveion]

So we have to ban them, or the guns. I'll still go for the guns, it's much easier.

[SteveT]

It's much more logical to blame the people than to blame the guns.

[Alakhriveion]

But you can't stop the people before they do it, you can stop the guns. People might be murderers, they might by physicists. Machine Guns will ALWAYS be people-killers.

[SteveT]

Even so, you can't go around punishing people for things they might do.

[Alakhriveion]

Who's punishing? We're taking away weapons which can't really be used for anything but murder- if you're buying one of these things, your intents are pretty damn clear.

[SteveT]

Perhaps you're a collecter, a hunter bent on massive overkill, a scholar, a tinkerer, an inventer, enjoy making empty threats, paranoid, etc.

[Ganondorf]

In Canada it's harder to get a gun. But somehow people still get their hands on a gun if they're determined enough. I don't think that many people here have guns though.

Nice sig Steve_T

[Alakhriveion]

Mike (Moore) brought that up, you need to register.