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[vodkamaru]

I keep having this recurring nightmare. Way to be Kirk, and way to be you guys. You win the medal.

Edited by vodkamaru, 01 April 2007 - 10:58 AM.

[Splash]

God only loves South Americans. That's why the rest of us had to work for our food, and they got fruit with easy-open tops.

god hates us

[vodkamaru]

God only loves South Americans. That's why the rest of us had to work for our food, and they got fruit with easy-open tops.

god hates us

So I guess South America had it pretty easy. Well at least until they met the Spanish.

[Arturo]

Look! You alll hate em! You are so racist! I will never speak to you!!!!

[wisp]

Ummm... tell me they weren't serious. Please. Oh GOD.

[SOAP]

Omigoshness, I've seen this before and yes they are serious. Actually I hang around people like that all the time who talk about this kinda of stuff like it's scientific fact and it takes all the power I have to the Evolutionist in me from opening my mouth.

[vodkamaru]

Those crazy guys are at it again. This time they're going to debate the existence of god with out using the bible. Good luck with that. Especially when Cameron says things like..

Evolution is unscientific. In reality, it is a blind faith that's preached with religious zeal as the gospel truth. I'm embarrassed to admit that I was once a naïve believer in the theory. Atheism has become very popular in universities – where it's taught that we evolved from animals and that there are no moral absolutes. So we shouldn't be surprised when there are school shootings.

Morality has no place in an argument about evolution. Then again evolution has ho place in an argument about the existence of god. I guess we'll see what happens later.

[SL the Pyro]

ANOTHER debate about whether God exists or not? Ugh... *starts microwaving some popcorn* Sparks are gonna fly, I'm sure.

[Keen]

The Banana video was just silly, but the Peanut Butter video is one of the most offensive videos I have ever seen. The first thing I must point out is that, if new life were to be generated in a jar of peanut butter, that life would be so tiny, so minuscule, that no one would ever detect it. Secondly, a typical jar of peanut butter is exposed to so little energy that it has almost no chance at all of forming new life. That engineer apparently knows nothing about physics or biology.

As for the debate between those two Christians and the two atheists, it sounds almost like hype for a boxing match. I'm quite certain there is no way to prove absolutely that there is a God. Also, when Comfort says people should not focus such malice on Christianity, it may be a fair point, but Buddhism doesn't say anything at all about whether or not God exists. So, his listing the Buddha, as well as his statement about morality in universities, seems to demonstrate that he is willing to speak and make assertions on issues about which he knows little and has thought very little.

[Hero of Slime]

Proof of Gods existance is found in the Banana? The banana plant would have evolved to have it fruit eaten, since having it's fruit eaten enables it to spread its seeds.

[d4rkdragon]

>_> Why must they tarnish the name of Christianity so? It's exactly those kind of people who are dragged into fights, trapped forever in the cycle of the vicious evolution vs christianity debates... and I'm saying this as a Christian... I mean... peanut butter? >_>

[SOAP]

I would HOPE nothing is living in my peanut butter.

If you think about, the banana thing helps the Evolutionist cause more than it does the Creationists.

[vodkamaru]

Proof of Gods existance is found in the Banana? The banana plant would have evolved to have it fruit eaten, since having it's fruit eaten enables it to spread its seeds.

The bananas that you and I eat don't have seeds. They've been cultivated for years. This is a real, wild banana. The banana in the video is something man has been selectively breeding and growing for a long time. God had nothing to do with it.

Edited by vodkamaru, 30 April 2007 - 07:17 PM.

[vodkamaru]

...if new life were to be generated in a jar of peanut butter, that life would be so tiny, so minuscule, that no one would ever detect it. Secondly, a typical jar of peanut butter is exposed to so little energy that it has almost no chance at all of forming new life. That engineer apparently knows nothing about physics or biology.

Don't they put preservatives in the food and seal it up to make sure bacteria (life) doesn't ruin your food? The reason you don't find life in a jar of peanut butter is because the food industry makes sure it won't happen...

Edited by vodkamaru, 30 April 2007 - 07:20 PM.

[Reflectionist]

Wow, I'm a hard core christian and i think that's just retarded.

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

(Whhhy am I posting in the Contro board?)

God dammit (har har har), Cameron. I love you when I see you as a spunky 15 year old. Why must you appearantly be a part of this gibberish in your adulthood? ;_; A middle schooler could see the flaws of the peanut butter thing.

Now I have no idea what I'm talking about, but why would anyone try to disprove evolution in the first place? How does it contradict the basic idea of God creating life?

[Keen]

Don't they put preservatives in the food and seal it up to make sure bacteria (life) doesn't ruin your food? The reason you don't find life in a jar of peanut butter is because the food industry makes sure it won't happen...

Those preservatives only prevent microscopic organisms (which, by the way, do get into the peanut butter anyway) from using the peanut butter to grow a new culture for themselves. Any new life that somehow formed in the peanut butter could be so odd that it actually lived on preservatives.

I agree with 15. I haven't had to pull anything out of my high school knowledge to take apart that peanut butter video.

[Hero of Slime]

I still wonder has anyone ever seen simple life come from non-living protiens like is described in the theory. I don't think they would appear in peanut butter, but perhaps some where else in the world. Wouldn't there be new life forms being constantly formed?

[Splash]

Wouldn't there be new life forms being constantly formed?

Possibly! Neat, huh?

Edited by Splash, 01 May 2007 - 09:05 PM.

[vodkamaru]

There's been experiments to try to create life by simulating early Earth's conditions. Heres the gist:

The molecules produced were simple organic molecules, far from a complete living biochemical system, but the experiment established that the hypothetical processes could produce some building blocks of life without requiring life to synthesize them first.

As far as new life forms being constantly formed is concerned, the conditions to create life from non-life may have only been present during a specific window in the planet's history. Abiogenesis has never been observed either, so who's to say that's what happened in the first place.

Edited by vodkamaru, 01 May 2007 - 09:17 PM.

[Hero of Slime]

Well we know peanut butter does not satisfy any of those conditions.

I think there are so many other things that prove Gods existance. Why do these guys need to look at a banana and peanut butter to try to convince people?

[vodkamaru]

Well what would you use to convince people instead?

[Goose]

chocolate. Its clearly a gift from god.

[vodkamaru]

chocolate. Its clearly a gift from god.

As long as you don't shape it into Jesus' likeness...

Edited by vodkamaru, 02 May 2007 - 01:42 PM.

[Hero of Slime]

Well what would you use to convince people instead?

I would use the Bible. Let them know that Jesus loves them and that he died to save them. When they feel God's love they will believe He exists.

[vodkamaru]

I would use the Bible. Let them know that Jesus loves them and that he died to save them. When they feel God's love they will believe He exists.

You may want to rethink the effectiveness of your approach.

[Hero of Slime]

Well, it worked for me. The banana or peanut butter arguments would not have.

[vodkamaru]

Well, it worked for me. The banana or peanut butter arguments would not have.

Remember that these arguments are trying to change an atheist's mind. I just don't think that your average atheist is going to agree with something just because it's in the bible.

[SOAP]

I would use the Bible. Let them know that Jesus loves them and that he died to save them. When they feel God's love they will believe He exists.

The Bible is for our reference. An atheist can know the Bible front to back, know nearly every verse from memory, and can even appreciate the poetic beauty of it but that still won't convince him it's the Word of God anymore than you reading the Qu'ran would convince you that's the Word of God.

I don't know how you would convince an atheist. You have a better change converting a Muslim. All I know is using peanut butter and bananas as evidence of God's existence is not the way. All I can use is completely anecdotal evidence from the stories of various Christians I know, including myself, who used to be amoral, currupt people before turning to God later on in life and changing for the better. Even if God doesn't exist, genuinely following him does something in people's that no amount of therapy, books, ect can accomplish. I say genuinely because anyone can say they're Christian, Muslim, or whatever but that doesn't mean they actually practice or even believe in their religion. Still it's anecdotal and it's all *I* have.

[Showsni]

For an atheist, use the old "what have you got to lose?" argument. If you don't believe and you were right, you've gained nothing. If you don't believe and you were wrong, you've lost everything. If you do believe and you were right, you've gained everything. If you do believe and were wrong, you haven't lost anything.