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[Showsni]

I thought that was the moon talking?

Conspiracy Theory:
There's a Garo master in Twinmold's Hide and Seek dungeon. What if the Garo originated from the moon, and were sent by the weird mask wearing children!?

[Duke Serkol]

Despite having a face, I never considered the moon as possibly alive (the face too is a recent phenomenon according to the astrologist in Clock Town, so it must be Majora's doing)

Is there an implied connection between the Stone Tower and the moon that I missed?

[FDL]

No, that's completely absurd, and you're comparing things that aren't there. The monkeys do not resemble Majora's MAsk at all, even the vaguely similar shapes of their faces have many differences. And I'm sorry for being rude, but you're INSANE if you think that that non-existant similarity between the two things proves anything.

Oh and guys, let's not forget the names:
Magic Emperor Majora
Twilight Princess Midna

Also, regard this as an excessive stretch if you will, but Midna says when confronting Zant that he was not accepted by their people because they saw the same greed in his eyes to which they lost their ancestor's king.
Majora was obsessed with conuming everything when he took over the moon (remember him saying "Consume, I shall consume everything!"?).
Might just be something more than a mere coincidene...

If you say that, then you could easily say that the Twili are the Gerudo's descendants. He was executed for his stealing the Triforce, so....

[Duke Serkol]

FDL, I'll be frank: I don't give a crap whether you think I'm insane, or making shit up.

Honestly, I'm not, as you previouly put it, trying to pass what I say as gospel nor stating things as unarguable facts. I'm merely bringing up interesting points for people to consider (and I'm not doing it for my own gain either, if I was I'd have a link to my page in my signature).

Unfortunately, it appears you are both too immature and close minded to even accept these as possibilities. Well, it's your problem, not mine.

With that said, feel free to continue your attempts to denigrate everything I say, just don't expect me to bother replying to them anymore because I tire of it.

P.S. Maybe when you've read in my previous post "I'm a nice guy, so here's another picture for you" you may have thought I was making fun of you, saying that you need for me to draw things out for you. I don't really think that's what I sounded like but rest assured I DID mean to be nice, not be sarcastic or anything like that.

[Hero of Legend]

You know, that monkey also has a heart-shaped ass...

Oh and guys, let's not forget the names:

Magic Emperor Majora
Twilight Princess Midna

King Zant
Princess Zelda

Majora was obsessed with conuming everything when he took over the moon (remember him saying "Consume, I shall consume everything!"?).

I'm pretty sure he means consume as in 'destroy', like a fire consuming a forest (or the world, in this case.)

Edit: And I'm not trying to offend you, Duke.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 13 April 2007 - 03:33 PM.

[FDL]

FDL, I'll be frank: I don't give a crap whether you think I'm insane, or making shit up.

Honestly, I'm not, as you previouly put it, trying to pass what I say as gospel nor stating things as unarguable facts. I'm merely bringing up interesting points for people to consider (and I'm not doing it for my own gain either, if I was I'd have a link to my page in my signature).

Unfortunately, it appears you are both too immature and close minded to even accept these as possibilities. Well, it's your problem, not mine.

With that said, feel free to continue your attempts to denigrate everything I say, just don't expect me to bother replying to them anymore because I tire of it.

P.S. Maybe when you've read in my previous post "I'm a nice guy, so here's another picture for you" you may have thought I was making fun of you, saying that you need for me to draw things out for you. I don't really think that's what I sounded like but rest assured I DID mean to be nice, not be sarcastic or anything like that.

Honestly, you have no clue what I've been going through lately, and my "denigrating" with you is mainly because of that. You don't have to respond anymore, because I don't care, but I will apologize for "denigrating everything you say". That said, the monkeys don't resemble Majora at all aside from slightly similar shaped heads, and if it were intentional Nintendo would have made more of a point to highlight any similarities. Similar shapes don't always mean something. Also, I'm not sure I understand what monkeys that have nothing to do with the interlopers having similar shaped faces to Majora's Mask would really mean to your theory, anyway.

But, while I do apologize if I insulted you, I don't see how disagreeing with you is really so offensive. Again, I've been having some rough circumstances and if I seemed insulting I again apologize. But disagreeing with your comparison between some aspects of the games, among other things, shouldn't be lumped in with some possibly rude things I've said.

Edited by Fierce Deity Link, 13 April 2007 - 04:38 PM.

[Chaltab]

Okay, no need to bring it to personal insults. Nobody is being closed minded, we're just debating points about a video game.

Midna's helmet only vaguely resembles an unpainted Majora's Mask. What I think is more interesting is the creature she transforms into when wearing the Fused Shadow. The colors are different, but the general style reminds me of Majora's Incarnation and Majora's Wrath, the really long tentacles/arms.

Doesn't really prove that the Interlopers are from Termina, but it at least suggests that the Twili are the Hyrulean counterpart to Termina's Dark Tribe.

[Duke Serkol]

You know, that monkey also has a heart-shaped ass...

That it does, although upside down... I know, it's a spades shaped ass!

King Zant
Princess Zelda

Actually I did think of this early when playing the game. It was one of the reasons I suspected Zant could surprise us all (including Midna) and turn out to be a woman. Needless to say, that was kind of a red herring.

I'm pretty sure he means consume as in 'destroy', like a fire consuming a forest (or the world, in this case.)

Won't argue that, but I suppose that in itself could count as a greedy act (destroying a world full of people merely for the momentary pleasure of doing so)

Edit: And I'm not trying to offend you, Duke.

I can tell the difference, don't worry

[FDL]

Okay, no need to bring it to personal insults. Nobody is being closed minded, we're just debating points about a video game.

I'm not bringing in personal insults aside from that "insane" comment. Duke, since you probably will read this even you pretend not to, you're making this way more personal than it is. But, go ahead, put your hands on your ears nd hum until I go away. But the fact that you singled me out pisses me off when there are plenty people who say the exact same things I said and no one "ignores" them. But that's the last I'll say of it.

[Kairu Hakubi]

Lol, I was trying to think of some 'major' puns too, but its real name is Mujura, so that doesn't work. ;3

[Duke Serkol]

Might have been a wrong transliteration. After all, Major(a) and Termina would both derivate from Latin.
Or failing that, they may have done it for fans who kow of the English name. It wouldn't be the first time a change made in the English version influences later games (think Hebra Mountain in ALttP).

Edited by Duke Serkol, 15 April 2007 - 03:32 PM.

[Arturo]

Hebra Mountain was called DM in Japanse as well, but just a secondary name.

[FDL]

Isn't it called Death Mountain in LoZ and AoL anyway?

[Duke Serkol]

As far as I know, in the Japanese ALttP Death Mountain was the Dark World counterpart of Hebra Mountain. And yeah, it was Death Mountain in LoZ, so I'm glad they made the change in the English version of ALttP.

[Arturo]

According to davogones, Hebra Mountain had Death Mountain as a secondary name in the Japanese maps, it seems.

[Chaltab]

According to davogones, Hebra Mountain had Death Mountain as a secondary name in the Japanese maps, it seems.

Then debating mountain names is a dead end.

Hm. I'm still not sure how to reconcile Ocarina of Time's ending. The fact that Zelda has the Ocarina implies that she sent him back in time well before Link opened the Door of Time. The fact that the Master Sword is not in the pedestal implies that she sent him back after. Paradocs!

[FDL]

Then debating mountain names is a dead end.

Hm. I'm still not sure how to reconcile Ocarina of Time's ending. The fact that Zelda has the Ocarina implies that she sent him back in time well before Link opened the Door of Time. The fact that the Master Sword is not in the pedestal implies that she sent him back after. Paradocs!

One explanation I came up with for that was that the Ocarina appeared in that timeline in Zelda's hands because Link had given away the Ocarina in the adult time. Because it would be paradoxical if the Ocarina suddenly didn't exist when history said it did, it did exist. To use a line from the Legacy of Kain series, "history abhors a paradox" and that was what would have happened. It explains why the Ocarina is with her when the Triforce is split and the Door of Time open.

[LionHarted]

I like to say that, because he's back in the past, Link has the Ocarina, which he later returns to Zelda, who later gives it to him to take on his journey.

[Chaltab]

I like to say that, because he's back in the past, Link has the Ocarina, which he later returns to Zelda, who later gives it to him to take on his journey.

That's a bit unelegant, but definitely a workable explanation. It also explains how he didn't end up trying to stick the Master Sword in an already-occupied Pedestal of Time.